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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread. |
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On December 14 2011 20:20 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:18 Alkro wrote:
So how exactley does Sen qualify for a code S invite? Sen didn't qualify. He just replace Naniwa's spot. If you actually look into Sen's accomplishment, defeating Naniwa at BlizzCon for 3rd place, NASL season 1 3rd place, NASL season 2 3rd place. This has been confirmed by Artosis. Naniwa should just go back to Sweden since he can't participate, no point staying in KR.
KR is where the best of the best are at though. U can't pursue a career without pitting yourself against the best of the best
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On December 14 2011 20:24 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:22 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 20:20 twndomn wrote:On December 14 2011 20:18 Alkro wrote:
So how exactley does Sen qualify for a code S invite? Sen didn't qualify. He just replace Naniwa's spot. This has been confirmed by Artosis. Naniwa should just go back to Sweden since he can't participate, no point staying in KR. Stephano isn't going to participate in GSL either. Also he's not banned for life now is he ? So he still can go for the GSL in March.
naniwa is not perma banned from code s.
he just got his seed revoked
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On December 14 2011 20:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
There was pretty much however no reward for Naniwa beating Nestea, the game was pointless. At this point you're arguing that players should drop their roles as professional competitors and should pick up a role as an entertainer.
No.
Just like professional soccer players have to play meaningless soccer matches, professional sc2 players should have to play meaningless sc2 matches.
If you want to argue that SC2 is NOT a professional sport, then that's fine.
But what you are doing is arguing that what you think is professional behavior is more important than what MLG / GOMTV / other tournament organizers think is professional behavior and that it's fine to ignore their rules if you disagree with them.
That's not professional.
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I am happy for Greg and Sen is an awesome player, but Naniwa got hit really hard by this. Too bad. I am not saying it wasn't deserved, because he did act egoistically, but still, that was rather harsh. Should have fined him rather than kick him outright.
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On December 14 2011 20:18 BoBiNoU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:17 aebriol wrote:On December 14 2011 20:15 BoBiNoU wrote:
This is a strategy game and there is nothing worse IMO to ban players for doing a bad strat ( maybe for bad reasons ).
If you start with this, you will never know where they stop.
They banned him for forfeiting the game. I don't understand why people are arguing it's 'a cheese' or 'a bad strat' ... he forfeited, and admitted it. He didn't even try to argue that it had a chance to win. It had 0% chance to win. He lost it in the quickest way possible except just typing gg and leaving. You can argue that punishing him for forfeiting the game is wrong, but arguing that it's 'a bad strat' is just stupid. What are your thoughts on 6pooling then ?
It is actually a legtimate opening and there are a couple of GSL games that actually has 6 pool transitioning into macro games.
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Giving seeds to arbitrary players given their popularity/race mixture/nationality and not purely based on results is the kind of shit that throws back a lot of work that has been made in esports. This is starting to feel like something coming out of a wrestling-style system, where the viewership numbers are their top priority instead of the legitimacy of the competition.
GOM needs to get their shit together and think a little further than simply the profits they're gonna get in each month, otherwise people will start to lose interest in the GSL and then they get exactly what they're trying to avoid: less viewers.
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On December 14 2011 20:24 Nate.F wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:24 Lysanias wrote:On December 14 2011 20:22 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 20:20 twndomn wrote:On December 14 2011 20:18 Alkro wrote:
So how exactley does Sen qualify for a code S invite? Sen didn't qualify. He just replace Naniwa's spot. This has been confirmed by Artosis. Naniwa should just go back to Sweden since he can't participate, no point staying in KR. Stephano isn't going to participate in GSL either. Also he's not banned for life now is he ? So he still can go for the GSL in March. naniwa is not perma banned from code s. he just got his seed revoked
Alright ty, so he's still got a reason to stay in Korea.
Hope he learns from this and be back in GSL in no time.
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On December 14 2011 20:18 BoBiNoU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:17 aebriol wrote:On December 14 2011 20:15 BoBiNoU wrote:
This is a strategy game and there is nothing worse IMO to ban players for doing a bad strat ( maybe for bad reasons ).
If you start with this, you will never know where they stop.
They banned him for forfeiting the game. I don't understand why people are arguing it's 'a cheese' or 'a bad strat' ... he forfeited, and admitted it. He didn't even try to argue that it had a chance to win. It had 0% chance to win. He lost it in the quickest way possible except just typing gg and leaving. You can argue that punishing him for forfeiting the game is wrong, but arguing that it's 'a bad strat' is just stupid. What are your thoughts on 6pooling then ?
Perfectly valid strategy.
As is proxy 2 gateway cannon, proxy 3 rax, proxy hatchery with spines, proxy whatever.
How long ago is it July won a game with a 6 pool that was defended perfectly? Not long ago in the GSL ... he transitioned beautifully into heavy ling pressure and hiding his ling.
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Naniwa should just apologize profusely and smoothen things with GOM and the community and get back to competing in the GSL. So much potential... like Coca, it would be wrong to punish them too long.
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On December 14 2011 20:24 Nate.F wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:24 Lysanias wrote:On December 14 2011 20:22 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 20:20 twndomn wrote:On December 14 2011 20:18 Alkro wrote:
So how exactley does Sen qualify for a code S invite? Sen didn't qualify. He just replace Naniwa's spot. This has been confirmed by Artosis. Naniwa should just go back to Sweden since he can't participate, no point staying in KR. Stephano isn't going to participate in GSL either. Also he's not banned for life now is he ? So he still can go for the GSL in March. naniwa is not perma banned from code s. he just got his seed revoked
So he can still qualify through Code A qualifiers, or get an international seed for Up/Down? While the second is highly unlikely, the first one can be earned in a way that he'd still play next season.
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"Though we don’t yet have details on who or why, the GSL has informed us that a current Code S player has dropped out of the league, and IdrA has been invited to fill that space."
http://myeg.net/team/prepare-yourselves-idra-is-back-in-code-s/
Someone will be missing, it isn't a free slot reserved. Sen's spot only exists because of the Naniwa issue.
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On December 14 2011 20:25 GrungyMunchy wrote:
GOM needs to get their shit together and think a little further than simply the profits they're gonna get in each month, otherwise people will start to lose interest in the GSL and then they get exactly what they're trying to avoid: less viewers.
Gom doesn't need to do anything. Just look at how many people view Idra's stream. Gom just need to welcome US viewers in open arms, it could care less about European viewers.
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As iv stated in another thread GSL/GOM have set a dangerous presidence by saying "hey you cheese you're gone" seeing as how thats all a worker rush is. So a cannon rush, bunker rush, poxy buildings, or hidden tech will get you the boot from code S, they had just stand by that cause they'll look like fools looking to punish one of the hardest working guys in the sport. Was it the best decision? No not by a long shot, but its certainly an understandable decision none the less. I believe I also head the term "money hunter" thrown around as well? Yea if Nani were a "money hunter" he wouldve actually preformed seeing as how he would get more money from sponsors especially in the future for continually doing good against top tier koreans. So no who ever said that was speaking out of nothing more the pure ignorance
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On December 14 2011 20:24 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
There was pretty much however no reward for Naniwa beating Nestea, the game was pointless. At this point you're arguing that players should drop their roles as professional competitors and should pick up a role as an entertainer. No. Just like professional soccer players have to play meaningless soccer matches, professional sc2 players should have to play meaningless sc2 matches. If you want to argue that SC2 is NOT a professional sport, then that's fine. But what you are doing is arguing that what you think is professional behavior is more important than what MLG / GOMTV / other tournament organizers think is professional behavior and that it's fine to ignore their rules if you disagree with them. That's not professional.
Read my post and understand why essentially you're asking people to become entertainers, and asking them to forgo general ideas of competition in order for more perceived entertainment inherently hurting competition overall. When there is no competition a game is just entertainment, which is fine, but when played in a competitive setting (with no real incentive to win, and no real competition then) all it leads to is catering to the audience and in turn does nothing but hurt real competition, because while it may look cool to the audience all it is, is fake competition aimed to please an audience, instead of real competition where things matter. It turns the whole idea of a real genuine competitive environment into something that is just meant for show to please... which isn't what competition is about at all. It's about the struggle of two people to overcome one another for a prize, not about trying to make a game look cool for the audience despite the fact that nothigns on the line, and it makes a mockery of real competition.
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On December 14 2011 20:27 ScareCrow` wrote:"Though we don’t yet have details on who or why, the GSL has informed us that a current Code S player has dropped out of the league, and IdrA has been invited to fill that space." http://myeg.net/team/prepare-yourselves-idra-is-back-in-code-s/Someone will be missing, it isn't a free slot reserved. Sen's spot only exists because of the Naniwa issue.
Wtf? So in addition to the 2 spots that are reserved for invites, they are also giving 2 spots to SEn and IdrA cause 2 players dropped out? WTF?!? Where is their reasoning for inviting Sen and idra?!
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I want a free spot too, I can even bm everyone and leave games preemptively without calling gg!
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On December 14 2011 20:29 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:24 aebriol wrote:On December 14 2011 20:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
There was pretty much however no reward for Naniwa beating Nestea, the game was pointless. At this point you're arguing that players should drop their roles as professional competitors and should pick up a role as an entertainer. No. Just like professional soccer players have to play meaningless soccer matches, professional sc2 players should have to play meaningless sc2 matches. If you want to argue that SC2 is NOT a professional sport, then that's fine. But what you are doing is arguing that what you think is professional behavior is more important than what MLG / GOMTV / other tournament organizers think is professional behavior and that it's fine to ignore their rules if you disagree with them. That's not professional. Read my post and understand why essentially you're asking people to become entertainers, and asking them to forgo general ideas of competition in order for more perceived entertainment inherently hurting competition overall. When there is no competition a game is just entertainment, which is fine, but when played in a competitive setting (with no real incentive to win, and no real competition then) all it leads to is catering to the audience and in turn does nothing but hurt real competition, because while it may look cool to the audience all it is, is fake competition aimed to please an audience, instead of real competition where things matter. It turns the whole idea of a real genuine competitive environment into something that is just meant for show to please... which isn't what competition is about at all. It's about the struggle of two people to overcome one another for a prize, not about trying to make a game look cool for the audience despite the fact that nothigns on the line, and it makes a mockery of real competition.
We've read your post, and you choose to ignore our replies and merely spout the same stuff again. Please stop.
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On December 14 2011 20:33 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:29 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 20:24 aebriol wrote:On December 14 2011 20:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
There was pretty much however no reward for Naniwa beating Nestea, the game was pointless. At this point you're arguing that players should drop their roles as professional competitors and should pick up a role as an entertainer. No. Just like professional soccer players have to play meaningless soccer matches, professional sc2 players should have to play meaningless sc2 matches. If you want to argue that SC2 is NOT a professional sport, then that's fine. But what you are doing is arguing that what you think is professional behavior is more important than what MLG / GOMTV / other tournament organizers think is professional behavior and that it's fine to ignore their rules if you disagree with them. That's not professional. Read my post and understand why essentially you're asking people to become entertainers, and asking them to forgo general ideas of competition in order for more perceived entertainment inherently hurting competition overall. When there is no competition a game is just entertainment, which is fine, but when played in a competitive setting (with no real incentive to win, and no real competition then) all it leads to is catering to the audience and in turn does nothing but hurt real competition, because while it may look cool to the audience all it is, is fake competition aimed to please an audience, instead of real competition where things matter. It turns the whole idea of a real genuine competitive environment into something that is just meant for show to please... which isn't what competition is about at all. It's about the struggle of two people to overcome one another for a prize, not about trying to make a game look cool for the audience despite the fact that nothigns on the line, and it makes a mockery of real competition. We've read your post, and you choose to ignore our replies and merely spout the same stuff again. Please stop.
Which is what may i ask, that the professional thing is just to fake it so the people watching are happy despite the fact... that it's not really competitive and means nothing?
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Understandable decision by Gom, they would have lost a lot of korean support if they didnt take any actions. Good for IdrA and Sen I guess and too bad for Naniwa. I hope it teaches him a lesson.
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