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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
December 14 2011 11:54 GMT
#961
On December 14 2011 20:50 Tofugrinder wrote:
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On December 14 2011 20:35 EdouarKiLL wrote:
A high master with a 50% winratio dont have his place in codeS. Cmon ! Idra is nowere near the code S level. He will get raped.


actually no. He may or may not loose but one thing is for certain, he will _NOT_ get raped. Raping a very serious crime and should _NEVER_ be used in terms of "he will loose".

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You mean like this? People are so sensitive about certain words nowadays.
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Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
December 14 2011 11:55 GMT
#962
On December 14 2011 20:43 Ghanburighan wrote:
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On December 14 2011 20:39 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:36 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:34 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:29 Ace.Xile wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:24 aebriol wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:17 Ace.Xile wrote:
There was pretty much however no reward for Naniwa beating Nestea, the game was pointless. At this point you're arguing that players should drop their roles as professional competitors and should pick up a role as an entertainer.

No.

Just like professional soccer players have to play meaningless soccer matches, professional sc2 players should have to play meaningless sc2 matches.

If you want to argue that SC2 is NOT a professional sport, then that's fine.

But what you are doing is arguing that what you think is professional behavior is more important than what MLG / GOMTV / other tournament organizers think is professional behavior and that it's fine to ignore their rules if you disagree with them.

That's not professional.


Read my post and understand why essentially you're asking people to become entertainers, and asking them to forgo general ideas of competition in order for more perceived entertainment inherently hurting competition overall. When there is no competition a game is just entertainment, which is fine, but when played in a competitive setting (with no real incentive to win, and no real competition then) all it leads to is catering to the audience and in turn does nothing but hurt real competition, because while it may look cool to the audience all it is, is fake competition aimed to please an audience, instead of real competition where things matter. It turns the whole idea of a real genuine competitive environment into something that is just meant for show to please... which isn't what competition is about at all. It's about the struggle of two people to overcome one another for a prize, not about trying to make a game look cool for the audience despite the fact that nothigns on the line, and it makes a mockery of real competition.


We've read your post, and you choose to ignore our replies and merely spout the same stuff again. Please stop.


Which is what may i ask, that the professional thing is just to fake it so the people watching are happy despite the fact... that it's not really competitive and means nothing?


And once more the same stuff...



Which doesn't answer the question, either you pay for GOM for one of two reasons, (i suppose a third if you want to combine them and just say you watch) you like the true competitive aspect of it, in which case you should be relatively annoyed that Naniwa is kicked out because the competition ended for naniwa before the nestea game started, or that you like the entertainment aspect of it, in which case you should be pissed almost any time a gsl final happens.


Let me quote myself and others from the thread: "Players should play their hearts out!"

For elaboration, search back in the thread (or any other thread). I'm not your slave that needs to personally deliver each post that you choose to ignore.


I could go back again and again and answer this, but it straight comes down to, why should professional competitors play their hearts out when they are no longer essentially competing. They aren't there to entertain audiences (inherently at least), they aren't there to do anything but compete, once the real competition has ended, which it had, the game just turns into entertainment which isn't what competitive players are there for. This situation is almost identical to what happens in the NFL every year at the end of the season, teams put in their 3rd string players for multiple reasons, the biggest being that the games don't matter and it's more beneficial for them to put in their 3rd string players. Yes you can argue that those 3rd string players are playing their heart out, but thats an entirely different situation, the discussion should be about the team and the game in general. The overall play and quality of the games is much worse than it would be with the 1st string team in, and the team as a whole isn't even a fraction of what it could be. NFL teams putting in significantly worse players at the end of the season which result in a very poor game quality is no different than Naniwa using a horrible strategy that ends in a very poor game, they both might as well be forfeiting because the games are meaningless.
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
December 14 2011 11:56 GMT
#963
That's just awesome. Idra & Sen in the GSL. I'm so pumped !! They're two really deserving players so I'm glad they both got a spot.
Good luck to both of them, I can't wait to see them play !
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
December 14 2011 11:56 GMT
#964
Go Sen he can compete easily with the top Koreans. But I don't see Idra doing well, Naniwa would have done much better.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 14 2011 11:56 GMT
#965
So do we know who will take Idra spot in Up/Down matches?
Gigaschatten
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany79 Posts
December 14 2011 11:56 GMT
#966
GomTV is serious business. E-Sports has to grow. I think banning Naniwa and other players for non-professional behaviour is a good thing. I think everyone would have appreciated if Naniwa would have given his best and crushed Nestea or vica versa showing good sportsmenship.

These guys are earning money with it! I hope most of them will understand that they also have to react that way. There is more to it than just playing a game, this also includes behaviour in general, professionalism and much more. I disliked the thumbs down action from Naniwa a lot. In which other sports do you see this?

The Gracken e.g. is a great player, but he has to work on his approach to winning a game when he is behind. He is not playing for himself but for his fans too.

Right decision from GomTV! Keep up the good work.
I said good day, sir! Axe-actly!
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
December 14 2011 11:57 GMT
#967
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.

User was temp banned for this post.
Asmodeusz
Profile Joined August 2011
193 Posts
December 14 2011 11:57 GMT
#968
On December 14 2011 20:35 EdouarKiLL wrote:
A high master with a 50% winratio dont have his place in codeS. Cmon ! Idra is nowere near the code S level. He will get raped.

They should have invited huk, sase, or stephano instead (they are in korea).


I laughed hard. You really think few days of ladder in new environment represents players capability? I bet you are one of those people that call anyone "best player in the world" after they win 1 tournament.
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
December 14 2011 12:00 GMT
#969
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
December 14 2011 12:01 GMT
#970
BTW, do we know whose spot Idra will take? Hope it's not sC having medical issues
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
December 14 2011 12:01 GMT
#971
On December 14 2011 20:56 Benjef wrote:
Go Sen he can compete easily with the top Koreans. But I don't see Idra doing well, Naniwa would have done much better.


Yeah you aren't biased at all. I'm sure naniwa who has never won a gsl game will do so much better than idra
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:03:05
December 14 2011 12:02 GMT
#972
On December 14 2011 21:00 StUfF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.

Idra hasn't really.... Sase/Naniwa/Stephano/Sen would all be much more deserving of the place. All having placed high in some recent tournaments (Sase got 2nd in some chinese tournament a while back afaik.)

Idra did litterally nothing, and is even more BM....

On December 14 2011 21:01 arfyron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:56 Benjef wrote:
Go Sen he can compete easily with the top Koreans. But I don't see Idra doing well, Naniwa would have done much better.


Yeah you aren't biased at all. I'm sure naniwa who has never won a gsl game will do so much better than idra


Naniwa beats Koreans on a much more regular basis that Idra does in other tournaments.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:05:21
December 14 2011 12:05 GMT
#973
I think Idra won the code S spot because he was the highest placing foreigner in MLG Providence after Naniwa who was booted out and Haypro who refused the spot. Wasn't that the deal?
Bora Pain minha porra!
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
December 14 2011 12:05 GMT
#974
On December 14 2011 21:00 StUfF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.


Except Sen actually play on KR/TW server; hence higher quality of practice opponents. GOM's logic is simple; it wants Idra and US subscribers. Naniwa doesn't really bring out the European subscriptions does he?
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
December 14 2011 12:05 GMT
#975
On December 14 2011 21:05 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:00 StUfF wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.


Except Sen actually play on KR/TW server; hence higher quality of practice opponents. GOM's logic is simple; it wants Idra and US subscribers. Naniwa doesn't really bring out the European subscriptions does he?

Sweden is the third biggest watcher after USA and Canada.
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StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
December 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#976
On December 14 2011 21:02 Benjef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:00 StUfF wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.

Idra hasn't really.... Sase/Naniwa/Stephano/Sen would all be much more deserving of the place. All having placed high in some recent tournaments (Sase got 2nd in some chinese tournament a while back afaik.)

Idra did litterally nothing, and is even more BM....

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:01 arfyron wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:56 Benjef wrote:
Go Sen he can compete easily with the top Koreans. But I don't see Idra doing well, Naniwa would have done much better.


Yeah you aren't biased at all. I'm sure naniwa who has never won a gsl game will do so much better than idra


Naniwa beats Koreans on a much more regular basis that Idra does in other tournaments.


Idra won IEM china, placed highly in multiple MLGs (same thing as Naniwa did to earn his spots).
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
December 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#977
On December 14 2011 21:02 Benjef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:00 StUfF wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.

Idra hasn't really.... Sase/Naniwa/Stephano/Sen would all be much more deserving of the place. All having placed high in some recent tournaments (Sase got 2nd in some chinese tournament a while back afaik.)

Idra did litterally nothing, and is even more BM....




Sase got 2nd in some chinese tournament a while back ?

IdrA won IEM Guangzhou
nutnut
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway29 Posts
December 14 2011 12:07 GMT
#978
Am I the only one seeing the irony in punishing naniwa for bad manners anf giving Idra a spot?
BAM
Adamcakez
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia12 Posts
December 14 2011 12:07 GMT
#979
IdrA HWAITING!~
Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:08:53
December 14 2011 12:08 GMT
#980
On December 14 2011 21:02 Benjef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:00 StUfF wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:57 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Booting out someone who worked hard to earn his code S spot because of a childish mistake and replacing him with someone who did nothing to earn it. Really nice logic there, GOMTV.


Sen/Idra did the exact same thing as Naniwa. Place highly in a foreign tournamnet.

Idra hasn't really.... Sase/Naniwa/Stephano/Sen would all be much more deserving of the place. All having placed high in some recent tournaments (Sase got 2nd in some chinese tournament a while back afaik.)

Idra did litterally nothing, and is even more BM....

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:01 arfyron wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:56 Benjef wrote:
Go Sen he can compete easily with the top Koreans. But I don't see Idra doing well, Naniwa would have done much better.


Yeah you aren't biased at all. I'm sure naniwa who has never won a gsl game will do so much better than idra


Naniwa beats Koreans on a much more regular basis that Idra does in other tournaments.


For the record, Sase's done almost nothing this year, the most he's done is get into the top 20 of Code A. and top 3 at the ipl uk qual. Naniwa and Idra are borderline even on achievements, Naniwa just gets a shit ton of hype because his past not even month of performances. In terms of overall achievement i'd still put Idra over all of them if you consider everything he's done this year.
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