Idra and Sen to Code S - Page 45

On December 14 2011 19:55 Eury wrote:
Look how they throw you all a bone to make you dance after their pipe. Just shows you what condescending and cynical attitude they have to their "foreign" market.

SC 2 is dying in Korea and it can't die soon enough.

On December 14 2011 20:03 BoBiNoU wrote:
GSL just banned probe rush ?

hope their next move will be to ban 6pool and 2rax

On December 14 2011 20:03 BoBiNoU wrote:
GSL just banned probe rush ?

hope their next move will be to ban 6pool and 2rax

On December 14 2011 20:05 MrSexington wrote:


They banned a-move probe rush with no micro and a self-admission of "throwing the game."

(Not sure if I just got trolled.)

>_<

On December 14 2011 20:07 Recovery wrote:
I think Naniwa atleast deserves Code A, but not a complete knock out.

On December 14 2011 20:07 Recovery wrote:
Naniwa was replaced by IdrA because remember, Naniwa was the highest ranked Non-Code S player at Providence, therefore, but since he got his Code S revoked, the 2nd highest Non-Code S player at Providence was IdrA. My guess
for Sen was his recent performances at Blizzcon (3rd place next to Mvp and Nestea, already Code S players) and 3rd place at NASL. He even shows consistent strong showings at the TeSL, this is just how Gom is opening the international scene. HOWEVER, the action of Naniwa is very controversial because it can be considered through both sides of the argument, GomTV may have over reacted with the reply to Naniwa's probe rush, but remember, people in Korea and internationally actually pay to watch these games. If GomTV releases games of Naniwa simply throwing games out, wheres the quality in the quantity paid? From my perspective, I think Naniwa atleast deserves Code A, but not a complete knock out.

On December 14 2011 20:07 Recovery wrote:
Naniwa was replaced by IdrA because remember, Naniwa was the highest ranked Non-Code S player at Providence, therefore, but since he got his Code S revoked, the 2nd highest Non-Code S player at Providence was IdrA. My guess
for Sen was his recent performances at Blizzcon (3rd place next to Mvp and Nestea, already Code S players) and 3rd place at NASL. He even shows consistent strong showings at the TeSL, this is just how Gom is opening the international scene. HOWEVER, the action of Naniwa is very controversial because it can be considered through both sides of the argument, GomTV may have over reacted with the reply to Naniwa's probe rush, but remember, people in Korea and internationally actually pay to watch these games. If GomTV releases games of Naniwa simply throwing games out, wheres the quality in the quantity paid? From my perspective, I think Naniwa atleast deserves Code A, but not a complete knock out.

On December 14 2011 19:56 Talin wrote:


But he didn't do it to dispute the tournament format. I don't think Naniwa is an idealist to the point where he would do something like that just to show how much of a joke the format was. He did it because at that moment he just wasn't capable of playing a proper game and that was the most intuitive way for him to play that game out. I can't imagine a way in which you can force somebody who is both mentally and physically exhausted to sit down and play out a good game for no competitive reason whatsoever, and asking them to fake it for the sake of the show is really disrespectful to begin with.

Nani's actions are just a consequence of a horrible situation he was forced into by the tournament organizer. Again, I'm not supporting his behaviour, I"m supporting my own principle that GOM's actions disagree with and Naniwa's actions (kind of) agree with. The only angle of Naniwa's actions that I dislike is because what he did was very disrespectful to NesTea, that's really the ONLY thing that stung about it for me. I don't think it was disrespectful to anyone else. Even if I were to entertain the notion that it was, the whole situation happened because he wasn't being respected as a competitor in the first place and was put into a booth just to play for show.

As for the business side taking over, how good that is is very debatable. Most conventional sports existed for decades, if not over a hundred of years, before tons of cash started being thrown into them. It's much more difficult for businesses to change or twist the rules, standards and conventions established in other sports just to bring in more viewers and income. Starcraft as a scene (separate from the business side) is really young and fragile. If we just let the companies that want to profit off of it have their way with it and do whatever they want and whatever makes things more profitable for them without consequences, Starcraft 2 will not last very long at all. It's not like the western esports "industry" is known for long lasting commitments to a game - they take a title, chew it, spit it out, and move over to the next one.

On a personal level don't really care to be honest. I still watch foreign Brood War (more than the Korean one even) with occasional $100 tournaments, and I was just as super pumped when Sziky beat a Korean ex-progamer in the clan league recently as when Hero won DH in front of 4k people cheering in the arena. Being popular is cool, having an audience of that size is awesome, and I do appreciate the fact that players are getting paid for the work they put into the game. But at the same time, if such a high level of sponsorship undermines the core values of competitive Starcraft and when we have an example Naniwa who worked his way there and showed amazing games has to step down and someone gets to replace him because he has a strong Taiwanese following and brings in viewers, and if players are supposed to be entertainers as well as athletes - it's just not worth it for me as a fan any more.

On December 14 2011 20:07 Ace.Xile wrote:



If you want to get serious about it. They essentially banned a player who refused to entertain when his main job was to compete. There was literally nothing to compete for between Naniwa and Nestea, the game was pointless, and GOM was pretty much just pissed that Naniwa wouldn't play along and act as an entertainer. Kind of mildly dumb.

On December 14 2011 19:19 Snowbear wrote:


Being bad mannered is against the rules. Professionalism and behaviour like an adult is a global rule. If someone visits my home and spits in my face, I kick him out.

On December 14 2011 20:05 MrSexington wrote:


They banned a-move probe rush with no micro and a self-admission of "throwing the game."

(Not sure if I just got trolled.)

>_<

On December 14 2011 20:15 BoBiNoU wrote:
This is a strategy game and there is nothing worse IMO to ban players for doing a bad strat ( maybe for bad reasons ).
If you start with this, you will never know where they stop.

On December 14 2011 20:11 aebriol wrote:

... I pay GOMTV to be entertained. Naniwa has agreed to entertain me. He refuses to do so. Kind of mildly dumb by him. I would rather have a player there that at least is attempting to be professional about it.

Much like soccer teams still showing up for the matches at the end of the season even though they have already won or lost the season.

On December 14 2011 20:07 Ace.Xile wrote:



If you want to get serious about it. They essentially banned a player who refused to entertain when his main job was to compete. There was literally nothing to compete for between Naniwa and Nestea, the game was pointless, and GOM was pretty much just pissed that Naniwa wouldn't play along and act as an entertainer. Kind of mildly dumb.