Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 55

On December 14 2011 12:44 jellyjello wrote:


You just proved his point precisely. Awesome job.

On December 14 2011 13:26 ninjamyst wrote:


Two wrongs does not make a right. Naniwa could have played the meaningless game out and just have fun and entertain the viewers. But he did not. He had a choice, and he made the wrong one and deserves to be called out on it. If this is his first time, fine...it's cool..benefit of a doubt. But this is not. He has repeatly shown a lack of respect. So for all those people that kept saying "you guys just mad cuz it's Naniwa...bla blah blah". You guys are absolutely correct.

On December 14 2011 13:34 OgsStump wrote:
looks like i was right. Hard to believe this guy will ever turn over a new leaf. I refuse to root for a player like this which is a shame because he's one of the better protoss players and I play protoss. He has no class and little respect for others or the community. He always tries to play the victim like the community crucifies him. Well most of the community is fed of with your crap and most of us are tired of trying to justify your craziness Naniwa. It's not like this is just one incident. The constant switching of teams, the in game chat you've previously had, the bad interviews or calling players out, and the completely disrespecting by forfeiting a game that many fans paid money to see. Will definitely be rooting against Nani from here on out.

On December 14 2011 13:32 RajaF wrote:



I'm sorry, so you take NFL or NHL: or EPL seriously? You better have a look at your priorities then cuz, except for hardcore fans, no one takes any sport seriously at all.

On December 14 2011 13:40 jellyjello wrote:


NFL? NHL? EPL? What are you talking about? What do I take seriously? I take my time and money seriously. Hope that answered your question.

On December 14 2011 13:42 RajaF wrote:


Thanks for making my point

On December 14 2011 13:45 LegendaryZ wrote:
I think anyone with half a brain and an ounce of foresight could have easily seen that nothing good could have possibly come from blatantly throwing a games like that. Really, as much as some people are trying to rationalize it or justify it, you can't seriously think that there's a single decent excuse for not doing the bare minimum to play out a game. This is especially true if you're to believe Naniwa's reasoning behind his actions. He says he felt that fans would not be satisfied with seeing games where he wasn't trying his hardest. How does what he did address that issue at all? Did he think that people watching would somehow be more satisfied with watching a probe rush?

I don't believe you could say that his actions were inconsequential either. The very fact that he sparked a shitstorm here and across the Starcraft 2 pro-gaming scene is proof that his actions were of some consequence. It's just that the effects are a little less obvious than an issue of ranking or prize money. Naniwa needs to understand that he's moved beyond the status of a no-named competitor that's just making money from winning small events that nobody really cares about. As a professional competitor, he needs to also consider how his behavior is going to affect his image, his team's image, and the image of the leagues and events that he participates in.

This wasn't some random neighborhood LAN. It was a big tournament that people all over the world paid money to watch. They bought tickets with the expectation of being provided entertainment. GomTV had an obligation to provide spectators with the content they purchased and as a player participating in the league, Naniwa in turn had an obligation to provide GomTV with the content to sell. Do you have any idea what kind of implications there would be if people weren't held to these obligations? If the New York Mets just started forfeiting games (or if a player on the Mets just stopped trying) the moment they were mathematically eliminated from a chance to make it to the post-season, you could bet your ass there would be a shit storm across the baseball community and it would be completely justified because despite the fact that those forfeits may or may not be consequential to that season's results (ie. two teams with no chance of making it to the post-season playing each other), players and teams are still expected to entertain the fans.

Competitive gaming is just competitive gaming, but these leagues aren't competitive gaming. They're an entertainment industry. It stopped being purely about the competition as soon as people started paying money for tickets to watch them.

Naniwa is a very strong player, but he seems to be impulsive and lacking in perspective. I think this is just another example of that pattern of behavior. The trouble in this situation is that it's one thing to be bad mannered to people, but when you start creating a situation where people begin to feel screwed out of their money or don't feel like they're receiving what was promised, people become much more sensitive about it.

On December 14 2011 13:48 RajaF wrote:
Sorry but no. The only thing this 'shitstorm' proves is that some people (including myself probably) have nothing else better to do than argue and insult others on the internet... just like most of the starcraft 'drama'.

On December 14 2011 13:48 akalarry wrote:
unless naniwa is that shortsighted, he did the probe rush to MAKE a point about the blizzard cup system. i'm disappointed that he decided to apologize and tuck his tail between his legs. if he really did not think it mattered, he could've just forfeit the game, or do a 4 gate, not something in between. if he didn't like the system, he could have just talked to gomtv about it. gomtv has been MORE than understanding to sc2, its players and competitors. did he really expect the korean community to not care after he probe rushed? he should start thinking before doing.

On December 14 2011 14:01 aztrorisk wrote:
Wow, this shows us Naniwa's mentality.

He admits here that the only reason he is playing starcraft is for the money. Usually, money is a big part of it, but pro gamers must also love the game and enjoy a good challenge when nothing is at stake. I lost all respect for him.

On December 14 2011 14:01 LegendaryZ wrote:


So you don't believe that people who paid for tickets complaining that they weren't given what they were promised is of any consequence at all? This isn't just an issue of drama, but brings up the question of what exactly professional gamers are actually paid to do which is a legitimate one and the answer is going to have an impact on the future of our leagues and teams. To say it's "inconsequential" is to ignore everything that people are actually complaining about. Nobody is arguing that it would have made a difference in tournament results. They're arguing that players who are being supported by an entertainment industry have a responsibility not only to play, but to provide entertainment.

You can disagree with that, but if you don't believe that you're paying for entertainment when you buy a GSL ticket, what exactly do you think you're paying for? If leagues and teams aren't paying players to produce content, then what are players being paid for?

On December 14 2011 14:15 RajaF wrote:


I am paying for the entertainment. You are 100% correct. However, my idea of entertainment is not a last place match between two demotivated players. I did not watch this match because I could care less about it. And I am willing to bet that 95% of all the people who watched the tourney did not care about it either and probably did not even watch it (the 5% being the hardcore Naniwa / Nestea fans who should of been too dissapointed to care anyway). This whole thing is being blown out of proportion by people who, I think, did not even bother to watch the game, but feel some sort of twisted moral obligation to flame Naniwa and his more than normal antics.