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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:42 Archerylady wrote: There's nothing to take seriously. Naniwa did something inconsequential and the quick-to-pitchforks community got upset. Why shouldn't I laugh at the shitstorm? It's hilarious. You just proved his point precisely. Awesome job. | ||
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itzBUTZ
3 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:42 MorningMusume11 wrote: Since in the end the fan gets to decide whether to like or dislike what he does... afraid to show your true account because you'll get exposed for contradicting yourself  that is my only account i have on this page and in sc2 my nickname is BUTZ. but i dont realy get why i shouldnt post under my "real" nick?! | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:31 itzBUTZ wrote: you peaple should stop talking about respect as long as you dont show respect towards nani yourself. it is his and only his busines what he does ingame. you can like it or dislike it, thats your personal freedom. still he can do what ever he wants to. i guess he was upset because he lost 0-3 and just didnt want to play anymore. hes not a machine but a human and if you lose an important match or tournemant i can totaly understand that he was very upset. you peaple make 2 much noise because of this. also, those players aint playing for you, but for themself, because they like the game. otherweise they could invest all that time in something else. and its actually very sad 2 see that all you peaple have nothing better 2 do than bitching about something small like this. and talking about respect. lol its his game, his career, his reputation not yours so you shouldnt talk about other peaples busines. if you like 2 watch naniwa play, than watch his games-> if you dont like 2 watch him play than just do something else. also i would like 2 point out that its not true that a fan has some kind of rights... you dont! naniwa can do in his matches what the heck he wants. also publicity is good, no matter if its bad or good, so hes not hurting esports at all. also 80% of you trolls behave alot worse than him. You just made him into the most selfish player on earth. If he wants to be a progamer, he has an obligation to his team, his sponsors, and viewers of his game. Yes, he can do what the heck he wants, but we too can bash him for it. When you are in a public spotlight, you have obligations and responsibilities. If you can't see it, then grow up...like Naniwa needs to. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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deathzz
669 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:16 Parcelleus wrote: Some ppl like TLO have a personality that is public friendly, some don't, that is the real world. Expecting everyone to be like TLO is utterly ridiculous and shows a lack of respect for other people's personalities. There will be individual approaches to playing the game, despite what one fan may see as an 'ideal' personality in their eyes. See previously i was neutral about naniwa even after the global invite fiasco but wad he did ytd rly made me a hater. Yes some drama is good but nt when u are the controversy of a tournament time n time again. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:44 jellyjello wrote: You just proved his point precisely. Awesome job. Loosen up kid, plenty of examples have occurred in other sports which are much worse than what naniwa did.. let's stop pretending that any little crap ay player makes will kill e-sports, the only thing it will do is pretty much waste a couple of hours worth of posts of 500 butt hurt nerds.. | ||
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itzBUTZ
3 Posts
now its true that you peaple can bash him for that, but you shouldnt talk about respect and at the same time dont respect his personal freedom. hes no cirkus-monkey dancing for your pleasure. also, didnt he already apologize that he disappointed so many peaple? none of you ever make mistakes? jesus give him a break. also, you all are flaming and whining about it, but realy did it hurt anybody or anything? nothing changed, nothing actually happened. its no big deal. maybe it was wrong and bad that he did it, but realy, its just not important. i wouldnt even post it as a news or open a thread in the forum, its just not worth it. | ||
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Treble557
United States221 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:47 Goibon wrote: Sad but true, if he just 4 gates no one bitches. He sped up the process and everyone calls him the devil. People are so willing to accept crap instead of the truth. It's unfortunate. Chin up Naniwa. You played great those other 3 games. Sadly people are focusing on the one game which didn't matter one bit. I said something to this same effect to my friends earlier. We were all ina game and they were talking saying stuff like wtf why'd he do that, and I told em that if he had instead done something silly like tried to sentry/probe all in off 2 base witha macro nexus, people woulda been like zomg yeaaaah! but it's still throwing the game all the same, and plenty of players do it these days. There's no reason to beat on or hate on naniwa. The man still plays like a beast, practices non-stop, and trys his heart out when it matters!! People trying to say he shouldn't be called a pro gamer over this really just goes to show how overly dramatic people can be sometimes. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:54 s4life wrote: Loosen up kid, plenty of examples have occurred in other sports which are much worse than what naniwa did.. let's stop pretending that any little crap ay player makes will kill e-sports, the only thing it will do is pretty much waste a couple of hours worth of posts of 500 butt hurt nerds.. I would like to ask that you dont call me a kid. you don't even know me ffs. | ||
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Archerylady
277 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:44 jellyjello wrote: You just proved his point precisely. Awesome job. Don't worry, every community has its uptight losers. Even pro sports! It's all part of the fun for the rest of us. So in a way, this "scandal" validates SC2 as a sport! Yay! | ||
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Spuick
Norway357 Posts
Although I doubt it  . | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 14 2011 13:08 Archerylady wrote: Don't worry, every community has its uptight losers. Even pro sports! It's all part of the fun for the rest of us. So in a way, this "scandal" validates SC2 as a sport! Yay! Glad to see fans like you who can stay positive in all these negativism  | ||
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hmmm...
632 Posts
naniwa's actions were not respectful towards nestea, the gsl, and the viewers including his fans. but of course, the foreign community will continue to defend naniwa claiming naniwa had the right to do what he wanted within the rules. if naniwa wants to improve, he can't have weak sauce mental breakdowns just because he lost close games. he's a sulking, cry-baby really. he can't come to terms with his perception of how good he is and his results. | ||
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Shortynut
Australia78 Posts
On December 14 2011 13:13 jellyjello wrote: Glad to see fans like you who can stay positive in all these negativism too right, i loled hard at when the first screen in game popped up (no spoilers  ) Atleast now we can say it's been done before | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
The record naniwa had in these games means nothing. We all know he is a top caliber player that could easily win those games in another set of matches. | ||
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TheRealFluid
United States501 Posts
Anyhow, I firmly believe that in order to make "e-sports" a "professional" sport, you have to approach it professionally. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 14 2011 12:48 ninjamyst wrote: You just made him into the most selfish player on earth. If he wants to be a progamer, he has an obligation to his team, his sponsors, and viewers of his game. Yes, he can do what the heck he wants, but we too can bash him for it. When you are in a public spotlight, you have obligations and responsibilities. If you can't see it, then grow up...like Naniwa needs to. Not everyone sees the situation the way you do. You think it is a matter of lack of respect from naniwa. I might say that to present meaningless games as if they mattered is a lack of respect for the competitors and viewers from GOM, | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On December 14 2011 13:16 hmmm... wrote: you could tell nestea was frustrated at the end of his match vs naniwa naniwa's actions were not respectful towards nestea, the gsl, and the viewers including his fans. but of course, the foreign community will continue to defend naniwa claiming naniwa had the right to do what he wanted within the rules. if naniwa wants to improve, he can't have weak sauce mental breakdowns just because he lost close games. he's a sulking, cry-baby really. he can't come to terms with his perception of how good he is and his results. Agreed 100%, Naniwa acted like a sulking child in front of an audience. Not a pretty sight. It ain't hard to at least go through the motions, but then he wouldn't get to show off his temper tantrum. It's not surprising the Koreans were quite upset, this kind of behavior simply isn't tolerated because they have a far more professional scene. On December 14 2011 13:21 m0ck wrote: Not everyone sees the situation the way you do. You think it is a matter of lack of respect from naniwa. I might say that to present meaningless games as if they mattered is a lack of respect for the competitors and viewers from GOM, Uh, GOM scarcely invented this, these supposedly "meaningless" games have been going on for decades in many different sports including BW itself. So, GOM did not suddenly disrespect anyone. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On December 14 2011 13:21 m0ck wrote: Not everyone sees the situation the way you do. You think it is a matter of lack of respect from naniwa. I might say that to present meaningless games as if they mattered is a lack of respect for the competitors and viewers from GOM, Two wrongs does not make a right. Naniwa could have played the meaningless game out and just have fun and entertain the viewers. But he did not. He had a choice, and he made the wrong one and deserves to be called out on it. If this is his first time, fine...it's cool..benefit of a doubt. But this is not. He has repeatly shown a lack of respect. So for all those people that kept saying "you guys just mad cuz it's Naniwa...bla blah blah". You guys are absolutely correct. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
Why did you probe rush in the final game? Let us know your reasons. My mindset was broken after the game against MMA, I left my booth and just thought about all that happened for 30 minutes before it was my turn to play again, I thought there is nothing at stake since neither me or Nestea can advance, and I know that unless I have something to play for I can't perform my best. I just felt like it wouldn't satisfy the fans at all with playing half hearted. Do you think players owe fans a minimum level of effort each game? Do you believe paying GSL viewers deserve to watch a full match? As I said, with nothing at stake people can't show their best games, I dont think it would satisfy people who bought GSL viewership to see the best games in the world . And they clearly wouldn't have gotten their expectations met. Considering the very negative responses from Korean teams, players, and media, do you regret what you did? Would you have done it differently if you could do it again? If I could do it again i would just 4 gate and then people wouldnt have complained, I don't know how people can read this and then say that he is immature. He is right. If he had just 4gate there would be no issue, but it would have about the same chance of winning vs nestea. | ||
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