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On December 14 2011 14:28 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
i dont think anyone really knows but it's important it's clarified whether or not GSL requires (or says anywhere) that players must not throw matches
If so, then Naniwa is in the wrong.
If not, technically Naniwa is not doing anything wrong and should not be punished (though there is probably somewhere that says GSL has the right to do whatever they want? not sure though)
Though that does not mean that people cannot look negatively upon this.
Anyways Naniwa saying there's nothing to play for. He doesn't understand, or he's just trying to defend himself (reasonable). You have your fans to play for, they're cheering for you. You giving up just means that you don't care enough for your fans. Look at WhiteRa, he plays for his fans. He doesn't like doing boring builds like 4 gate PvP cus he wants to entertain his fans. Either Naniwa did not realize this or he's choosing to defend himself rather than admit it.
I tend to agree with what you said.
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You still have plenty to play for. Pride to not be shutout. Trying to beat Nestea and adding to the career against. Playing for your fans who expect to see your great play against one of the overall top 5 SC2 players. Performing for viewers isn't just only about you.
What if Nestea needed the win? Would the game still get thrown?
You see a lot of professional teams with nothing to lose knock out a teams out of the playoffs. Team and individual is a bit different tho.
MLG consolation matches, lots of people forfeit depsite the points and small cash prize difference.
I agree there should be more distribution of cash. More along the lines of Golf. Still heavy 1st place but even people getting 44th are still making enough to live off of and travel. And they still have to qualify to even hit that prize pool, much like people do in the GSL and these invite tournaments.
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I really dont see why people get so upset, people seem to be personally offended or something. herp derp killing e-sports
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As a fellow player and competitive person I understand where Naniwa is coming from, but as a viewer I think players participating in inconsequential matches should strive for interesting, fun to watch games. However, for a more objective opinion, I believe tournament organizers should strive for formats where this situation is avoided entirely and every match is of consequence.
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This guy gets paid the amount that many families in America dream of making everyday. To just throw away a big (albeit unimportant) game like that shows that he has absolutely no respect for what he does or who supports him. Quantic made a huge mistake
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Naniwa: ''I just felt like it wouldn't satisfy the fans at all with playing half hearted.''
Throwing game away will satisfy the fans you think?
All I hear is excuses for being childish.
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Bunch of fucking hypocrits, it's just because it was naniwa who did it, if idra etc did it people would just say, oh well.
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There are lots (and i mean lots) of pro sport teams throwing games that they consider inconsequential. For every one impossible upset there are 100 thrown games out there.
Italy vs Mexico in the World Cup. Arguably the world's most prestigious and popular sport competition. In the group stages Italy and Mexico basically threw the game to a tie. And this was not an unimportant game. It meant that the other two teams in that group were eliminated while Mexico and Italy qualified. You know how many people cared about that for more than 24 hours? I will give you a hint, it's really close to zero.
Also, in the NFL, one of the most popular and successful sport leagues in the world, games are thrown regularly in order to get better draft picks or to rest starters for the playoffs. And you know how many people complain about that? Again, the number is really close to zero.
Formula 1, the perfect example. Drivers who are so far behind the front of the pack that they have no chance of catching up will let others pass them with no fight because the RULE of the sport is that you have to get out of the way if you suck so bad.
So yeah, in my eyes Naniwa just gave a solid argument as to why StarCraft should be taken seriously as a sport yet again since he just behaved as any other pro would and got the sad last place match out of the way really fast.
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On December 14 2011 14:26 TwoSIXTY wrote:
As far as I'm concerned Naniwa is just a spoilt little brat that thinks about no one else but himself. Does not set an example as a professional gamer, tarnishes his new teams name, tarnishes the foreign scene when looking at it from the Korean perspective. Not only that, but shit on GSL and the people who worked hard to put this great tourney on. I'd also like to point out people payed "money" to watch these matches.
Just selfish.
Personally, I couldn't wait to see the match between Nani and Nestea. But that probe rush really pissed me off knowing that a childish little brat didn't feel like playing because he didn't make it out of group stages. Boo fucking hoo Naniwa. I payed money money to watch matches, not spectate little kids having a tantrum.
I hope he keeps burning all those bridges, because it will all catch up to him soon.
Thank goodness we don't have other pro like this who disrespect not only the system, but everyone else so much.
I'm already questioning myself if I should buy another GSL ticket. Hey, if 1 pro can get away with a tantrum like this.... we are bound to see more poor behaviour.
Lol, nice first post. Naniwa was spoiled with what? As far as I know he earned his place in Blizzard cup, it's not like he was spoiled with one.
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Personally I think Naniwa is a mastermind. He gained more attention for Quantic Gaming doing this than he would ever by winning a bo1 against Nestea, whom he already defeated in a series twice, (IE: this is not a rematch.. you don't do bo1 rematches 2 bo5s).
In all seriousness... +1 Naniwa.
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On December 14 2011 14:48 baba1 wrote:
Naniwa: ''I just felt like it wouldn't satisfy the fans at all with playing half hearted.''
Throwing game away will satisfy the fans you think?
All I hear is excuses for being childish.
Half-hearted game that lasts results in a loss after 15 mins.. versus a thrown game that results in a loss after 30 seconds? Yeah I like my time saved. All I hear is logical reasoning and the truth. How does your brain deduce logical reasoning? Does 1+1 = 3 sound good to you? Because that would explain your stupidity a lot.
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On December 13 2011 23:56 Cashmere wrote:
It's his choice as a player. No rule specifically states he cant just worker rush.
Very Good Point If Koreans Don't Like Worker Rushes Just Make It A Rule...
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On December 13 2011 23:58 ReboundEU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:52 PrimeTimey wrote:
If you want eSports to be taken seriously, and "professionally" you can't have players purposely throwing matches no matter of their importance. You don't see any sports team throw the last game of the season even if they know they won't make the playoffs. Sure, they will not put forth a 100% effort - but they still play the game to win.
People love to win, and it appears that Naniwa only cares about winning money - no love for the game, just the cash. People love to win on ladder People love to win MONEY in competitions otherwise why bother? Fame? ... Fame comes with winning competitions (that means also money). Tell me which were the players at MLG Orlando...or Providence...or whatever other competition #2 #3 and #4 without googling. U already forgot them right? Fame = #1 ...rest are forgot the next day. When u go to work..u go to earn money... When u want to work out of pleasure u sit at home and do it for free as a passion. Absolutely no pro on this planet will tell u "Oh i fly 50km to get more fame" No..they will tell u "I practice because i want to win competitions....because the money is good"
True Statement Here The ONLY Reason Why Gaming Is Getting To A Level Of Near Sport Rep Is Money If This Was All Just A Hobby And No 1 Won Prize Money There Would Never Be "Good Games" U Need A Goal To Obtain For U To Put Passion Into What Ur Doing His Goal Was Lost Therefore It Was Pointless To Play
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On December 14 2011 13:35 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 13:34 OgsStump wrote:
looks like i was right. Hard to believe this guy will ever turn over a new leaf. I refuse to root for a player like this which is a shame because he's one of the better protoss players and I play protoss. He has no class and little respect for others or the community. He always tries to play the victim like the community crucifies him. Well most of the community is fed of with your crap and most of us are tired of trying to justify your craziness Naniwa. It's not like this is just one incident. The constant switching of teams, the in game chat you've previously had, the bad interviews or calling players out, and the completely disrespecting by forfeiting a game that many fans paid money to see. Will definitely be rooting against Nani from here on out. I doubt anyone paid to see a meaningless match between the last two places in the group.
Agreed!
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On December 14 2011 14:50 RajaF wrote:
There are lots (and i mean lots) of pro sport teams throwing games that they consider inconsequential. For every one impossible upset there are 100 thrown games out there.
Italy vs Mexico in the World Cup. Arguably the world's most prestigious and popular sport competition. In the group stages Italy and Mexico basically threw the game to a tie. And this was not an unimportant game. It meant that the other two teams in that group were eliminated while Mexico and Italy qualified. You know how many people cared about that for more than 24 hours? I will give you a hint, it's really close to zero.
Also, in the NFL, one of the most popular and successful sport leagues in the world, games are thrown regularly in order to get better draft picks or to rest starters for the playoffs. And you know how many people complain about that? Again, the number is really close to zero.
Formula 1, the perfect example. Drivers who are so far behind the front of the pack that they have no chance of catching up will let others pass them with no fight because the RULE of the sport is that you have to get out of the way if you suck so bad.
So yeah, in my eyes Naniwa just gave a solid argument as to why StarCraft should be taken seriously as a sport yet again since he just behaved as any other pro would and got the sad last place match out of the way really fast.
That game was ¨thrown¨ in the few last minutes. Did you even watch that game? Thats why deciding games in the world cup group stages are played at the same time. They were playing legit until the last few minutes.
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On December 13 2011 23:51 Luppy1 wrote:
It's actually a big deal if you know anything about respect and if you're brought up with correct values.
Then perhaps we should respect the fact that one of the players didn't want to play his game. I mean, it's not like he forfeited just to insult you personally, which so many people seem to think.
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there's also no rule that says you can't take a shit in your own booth. i think someone needs to do it so they can criticize GOM for not putting a rule in place to prevent that from happening.
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On December 14 2011 15:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:
there's also no rule that says you can't take a shit in your own booth. i think someone needs to do it so they can criticize GOM for not putting a rule in place to prevent that from happening.
Amen, brother
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On December 14 2011 15:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:
there's also no rule that says you can't take a shit in your own booth. i think someone needs to do it so they can criticize GOM for not putting a rule in place to prevent that from happening.
Slightly extreme but I see your point.
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On December 14 2011 15:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:
there's also no rule that says you can't take a shit in your own booth. i think someone needs to do it so they can criticize GOM for not putting a rule in place to prevent that from happening.
lol i second that notion
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