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On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered.
You're gonna have to ask more people than just Naniwa that question. This isn't a first, but it's hilarious how it's being treated one.
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On December 14 2011 00:40 IMPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:38 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 00:36 The KY wrote:On December 14 2011 00:33 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 00:33 DBHErazor wrote:
Naniwa is a boss, tellin it like it is to this pompous arselicking community. Get a grip, it´s just 1 pointless game. Who gives a f*ck? coca vs byun was 1 pointless game. many people gave many fucks. why should naniwa be any different? Coca vs Byun wasn't pointless though. Coca dropped the game on purpose to get Byun a Code A spot. Totally different. No Code A spot on the line (as confirmed by Mr. Chae in the thread for that incident) and he dropped the game cause he wanted more practice. What's the difference? I heard letting Byun win the game would allow Byun to fight for a code A spot. Not technically straight up obtain it, but it would sitll allow him to advance in a tournament that had meaning. Not the same thing here.
also the game coca vs byun was already over and then they publicly discussed in the chat that they are going to manipulate the result
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Haters gonna hate naniwa, I'll cheer you on no matter what because its your winners mentality what makes you so great
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Meh, it was a slightly naieve move but there was nothing inherently evil about it. If anything it shows how much he cared about the tournament since he was so crushed at going out. It wasnt the smartest thing to do but the KR twitter comments are overboard. I mean you want to talk about taking games seriously Korea? You not remembering all the dumb pissing about you did in the GOM showmatches???
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Playing silly games is naniwa's problem. League system should be more elaborate.
I don't know exactly about Naniwa's previous behaviors, but he clearly has a lot of anti-fans as well as fans now.
Maybe he couldn't be invited/seeded from some leagues afterwards, and this is enough punishment for him. It's his karma.
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On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered.
Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same.
What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in a not competitive environment anymore, so the restults dont matter.
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On December 14 2011 00:45 Fjodorov wrote:
Femari stop talking about the coca vs byun incident. Byun asked coca ingame if he could quit so they could play a third game and coca agreed. Also, there was a cash prize for winning the tournament. How is this comparable to what naniwa did?
I think, if anyone, GOM should appologize to the players for putting them in such a awkward position. Ask yourself why gom dont play out these games in other tournaments.
So we should allow people to throw matches in certain circumstances?
And GOM shouldn't apologize to the players. Naniwa should apologize to GOM. He would've had to agree to those terms. GOM is pretty much forced to forward the rules and regulations of the tournament, which means he knew he had to play those games even if he went 0-3. He agreed to that and then threw the match.
I don't care if he 4-gates or doesn't try his best, but don't throw matches. Attempt to win. Cannon rush. Don't literally select all your probes and send them to your opponents main and take your hands off the keyboard.
Regardless of the circumstances, throwing matches shouldn't be allowed other than in extreme situations.
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I agree with him to an extent, people have gone over the top. But what he did was wrong and silly, he should have just 4gated anyway, occasionally fulfilling formalities is a good thing.
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he should have played it out but he did what he did. he explained that he had a mental break down from the past 3 games and the game against MMA just took him to the breaking point. sometimes you just can't play another game. so he did what he wanted to do.
but he said it himself after, should've just 4 gated so everyone would shut up.
I'm not as angry because I didn't pay for it but i'm sure the fans who did pay to watch him/or nestea play would be very disappointed. I know I would be
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why is that koreans is good at making small thing to a big drama EVERYTIME. almost all the drama is crafted by them.
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People only care because it was Naniwa. If a Korean pro did this, everyone would sympathize instead of crying foul.
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On December 14 2011 00:30 iG.Forever wrote:
thats why hes not goin to get invited to many tournaments becuz if he has no chance to win, hes gonna throw the game no matter if the opponent has a chance to advance or not.
He didn't get invited, he earned his spot.
Big difference.
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On December 14 2011 00:50 vertical101 wrote:
why is that koreans is good at making small thing to a big drama EVERYTIME. almost all the drama is crafted by them.
Koreans are famous for their Doramas maaan!
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On December 14 2011 00:46 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. You're gonna have to ask more people than just Naniwa that question. This isn't a first, but it's hilarious how it's being treated one.
it's definitely a first in the korean scene.
they even wrote an article on thisisgame about how naniwa gave up being a professional gamer, and they barely have an opinion of naniwa yet.
seriously what he did was simply put unprofessional, and something you should never do as a progamer..
naniwa seriously has some talent for coming off as rude/uncaring, even if that is not his intention.
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see, people ever let him alone, even the 4 matches is finished lol
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No one is promised or guaranteed a great game to watch. This is within the rights of a pro-gamer., Naniwa is a professional gamer i.e he earns money by gaming and is entitled to play and participate how he wants perhaps there is no legal binding contract telling him "You must not probe rush" or "You must play a macro game" despite how much the audience wants to see it, I think he said it best himself if Stephano had 6-pooled no one would of complained like the current outrage that is going on, people just need a figure to hate on.
Maybe they shouldn't of scheduled the game.
Haters gon' hate.
Naniwa Fighting.
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Koreans are indeed famous for drama! 
Anyhow, you still need to act professionally if you don't want critics to talk about you. You are a PROFESSIONAL gamer. Go and ponder on that for a little while.
Still <3 NaNi tho.
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On December 14 2011 00:50 vertical101 wrote:
why is that koreans is good at making small thing to a big drama EVERYTIME. almost all the drama is crafted by them.
To be fair, the more well balanced articles/comments usually don't get translated to english. I'm sure you could cherry pick articles/posts here on TL and translate to Korean and make every foreigner look like an asshole.
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On December 14 2011 00:51 Azaryah wrote:
People only care because it was Naniwa. If a Korean pro did this, everyone would sympathize instead of crying foul.
Doubt it, I think it's safe to say that the uproar would be the same if the roles had been reversed and Nestea had done it to Nani instead. Probably be along the lines of "HAHA, Nestea is too scared to play Nani again, cause he got pwned at MLG"
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On December 14 2011 00:52 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:50 vertical101 wrote:
why is that koreans is good at making small thing to a big drama EVERYTIME. almost all the drama is crafted by them. Koreans are famous for their Doramas maaan!
Most of the drama comes because of the lack of understanding of Korean culture from new Sc2 fans.
I've been following BW for years and years and there was almost no drama.
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