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On December 14 2011 00:26 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:19 Anton K wrote:On December 14 2011 00:12 cive wrote:On December 14 2011 00:05 The KY wrote:
I agree with Nani that since he wouldn't have been absolutely playing to win anyway that no one is being robbed of an epic game. It was still disrespectful but he's not a monkey in a zoo, he doesn't have to dance for your amusement. He's made it clear that he plays to win and once he can't win it doesn't matter. NO.The correct thing to do in such situation is to play a cool game. Do a mothership rush, hallucination rush or something that would say, "the result of the game does not affect our status in the tournament, however as professional gamers we would bring the entertainment to our fans, teams and paid viewers." He has to dance for our amusement, in the game. Him winning money is not what I look forward to from being his fan. I look forward to his games. I do not understand where this expectation that every SC2 player has to be an entertainer is coming from. A professional player be it football or SC2 should play to win. It is not his job to go out and entertain, it is his job to win. If him winning isnt what you look forward to then Naniwa isnt the guy you should root for. The job of a pro whatever, be it footballer, baseball player, SC2 player is to COMPETE, not just win. Yes I want to see my favorite teams and/or players win of course. But primarily I want to see them try their damn hardest to win and show some damn heart and passion for the game. If you are only a fan of team or player(s) when they win, and don't watch them when they are losing but at least are trying their hardest, then that's being a bandwagoner, not a true fan.
So are you saying he didn't COMPETE? You're saying Naniwa isnt trying his hardest to win? You're saying Naniwa isn't dedicated, isnt showing any passion for SC2?
This is the guy who was kicked out of his home because he refused to stop playing WC3. He chose the game over living with his parents. This is the guy that left Sweden to live in Korea for the best practice possible. This is the guy who after losing his Code A match tweets about practicing even harder only to win MLG GI a few days later over MVP and Nestea.
He did compete today. He played his 3 matches and lost. The last match had no value and it shouldn't have been played.
I'm a fan of Naniwa because of his dedication and skill and the fact that he is Swedish. I will be watching him win, lose, rage and celebrate.
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the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time.
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On December 14 2011 00:34 Cocacooh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:30 iG.Forever wrote:
thats why hes not goin to get invited to many tournaments becuz if he has no chance to win, hes gonna throw the game no matter if the opponent has a chance to advance or not. I don't think thats true, if nestea could advance by winning against nani I'm pretty sure he would try to crush him.
well according to his thoughts, he has nothing to gain = basically giving up? why should that be any different if nestea has a chance?
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On December 14 2011 00:33 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:33 DBHErazor wrote:
Naniwa is a boss, tellin it like it is to this pompous arselicking community. Get a grip, it´s just 1 pointless game. Who gives a f*ck? coca vs byun was 1 pointless game. many people gave many fucks. why should naniwa be any different?
Coca vs Byun wasn't pointless though. Coca dropped the game on purpose to get Byun a Code A spot. Totally different.
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NaNiwa is great, just a little emotional that's all. I'm starting to like the guy more and more.
Just because this happened vs NesTea caused the whole "burn the witch" situation.
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On December 14 2011 00:20 CakeSauc3 wrote:
I think it's terribly funny how people mess up the meaning of the term "professional gamer" or "professional athlete". You're a "pro" because you make money doing that - not because of how you act.
Naniwa is certainly a pro-gamer. He still has sponsors, he still gets paid to play, and that's not gonna change with this.
If anything, people like me think he's even cooler now than he was before - because he did something flashy and different, he showed his emotions through his actions, and proved that he's human. He's gained me as a fan now. Props to him :D people just like to make drama out little things like this, but really I thought it was just funny what he did and it was a stylish way for him to go out of a meaningless game.
The definition for professional is right but it's incomplete. Yes, the core of being professional is making money BUT,
Although what you do changes; what ethics you should have, what kind of behavior you should have, don't change, the concept - the "soul" of being professional in a competetive activity doesn't change.
AND it CERTAINLY defines how you act in that regard...
If a gaming community wants "games/gaming" to be taken seriously by entire world, their professionals should take it seriously first... even an unnecesssary match.
And because of this desire to be taken seriously, the community and players should be extra ethical and respectful, until your family or your friends who are making fun of you for playing game and do what you love, acknowledges your activity as a respectful activity. Players should avoid these behavior more until gaming is established and well-respected by ordinary joe.
MC's quote is an awesome, White-Ra's type professionalism is the type that gaming community and professionalism needs.
No matter how flawed the format of the tournament is, ones who participated in a tournament, are to perform to the fullest.
It's his job to perform, it's why he is getting paid for. In a tournament like that, it becomes "WORK", not a free-time hobby that you can choose to quit when you feel like it.
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You know, I'm pretty sure this 'hate' Naniwa has developed didn't happen over night. It's pretty much a cumulative hate shitfest that has been brewing for a long time. Just sayin'.
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On December 14 2011 00:34 Mackguy wrote:
it should be motivation only to face the zerg god
But he already played Leenock?
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On December 14 2011 00:34 Mackguy wrote:
Naniwa has disrespected Nestea, several times :
during MLG,
during the pre interview of blizzard cup
and now by throwing the game...
taking a game from nestea would have stayed, it should be motivation only to face the zerg god. Hell, anyone would be honored to play him... It reminds me of NASL and Painuser letting Boxer wait forever, and never showed up.
Respect for your opponent, teams, sponsors, fans and viewers, that's all we ask.
its not like it was a BO7...
Where lies the respect for the progamers? At least give him the chance to not play without giving him a hard time. He had already given some pretty good games to the whiny fans.
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On December 14 2011 00:35 iG.Forever wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:34 Cocacooh wrote:On December 14 2011 00:30 iG.Forever wrote:
thats why hes not goin to get invited to many tournaments becuz if he has no chance to win, hes gonna throw the game no matter if the opponent has a chance to advance or not. I don't think thats true, if nestea could advance by winning against nani I'm pretty sure he would try to crush him. well according to his thoughts, he has nothing to gain = basically giving up? why should that be any different if nestea has a chance?
My mindset was broken after the game against MMA, I left my booth and just thought about all that happened for 30 minutes before it was my turn to play again, I thought there is nothing at stake since neither me or Nestea can advance, and I know that unless I have something to play for I can't perform my best. I just felt like it wouldn't satisfy the fans at all with playing half hearted.
It's pretty clear that he only did what he did because there was no point in it for both parties.
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On December 14 2011 00:35 iG.Forever wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:34 Cocacooh wrote:On December 14 2011 00:30 iG.Forever wrote:
thats why hes not goin to get invited to many tournaments becuz if he has no chance to win, hes gonna throw the game no matter if the opponent has a chance to advance or not. I don't think thats true, if nestea could advance by winning against nani I'm pretty sure he would try to crush him. well according to his thoughts, he has nothing to gain = basically giving up? why should that be any different if nestea has a chance?
cuz he said so in the interview?" I thought there is nothing at stake since neither me or Nestea can advance"
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lol, professional teams still play even if they don't make the playoffs. Granted, they might not play their best player or even try their hardest... But at least they show some effort and not kick the ball in to their own goal.
Also, there were plenty of players in the recent WCG that had no chance to qualify and I don't think anyone just probe rushed (well, ToD did walk away from the tournament)...
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On December 14 2011 00:34 Mackguy wrote:
Naniwa has disrespected Nestea, several times :
during MLG,
during the pre interview of blizzard cup
and now by throwing the game...
taking a game from nestea would have stayed, it should be motivation only to face the zerg god. Hell, anyone would be honored to play him... It reminds me of NASL and Painuser letting Boxer wait forever, and never showed up.
Respect for your opponent, teams, sponsors, fans and viewers, that's all we ask.
its not like it was a BO7...
He didn't disrespect him during MLG, or during the Blizzard Cup interview. If you watch the latter, all the koreans laugh because they know it was a joke.
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On December 14 2011 00:36 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:33 Femari wrote:On December 14 2011 00:33 DBHErazor wrote:
Naniwa is a boss, tellin it like it is to this pompous arselicking community. Get a grip, it´s just 1 pointless game. Who gives a f*ck? coca vs byun was 1 pointless game. many people gave many fucks. why should naniwa be any different? Coca vs Byun wasn't pointless though. Coca dropped the game on purpose to get Byun a Code A spot. Totally different.
No Code A spot on the line (as confirmed by Mr. Chae in the thread for that incident) and he dropped the game cause he wanted more practice.
What's the difference?
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korean are really sensitive its in their blood.
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On December 14 2011 00:35 exupery wrote:
the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time.
Did you not know that Nani played four games today just like everybody else? He lost the first three ones very narrowly and you say he didn't do his best? Get real.
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"With no prize money or tournament implications on the line"
keep in mind, player who are invited are paid roughly $900 usd to play in the group stages so he should've at least played out the game instead of doing something like that. I mean, ofcourse the Koreans are pissed because who wouldn't want to be in his shoes and get roughly $900 usd even for losing.
source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011blizzardcup/
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never had respect for naniwa and I never will
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On December 14 2011 00:39 FidoDido wrote:"With no prize money or tournament implications on the line" keep in mind, player who are invited are paid roughly $900 usd to play in the group stages so he should've at least played out the game instead of doing something like that. I mean, ofcourse the Koreans are pissed because who wouldn't want to be in his shoes and get roughly $900 usd even for losing. source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011blizzardcup/
YES! You just solved the probem. Give NaNi 675 dollars instead of 900.
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