EPTWhoever argued that viewers of other professional sports allow for teams to blatantly lose the game is beyond short sighted. Viewers would NOT stand for players kicking it into their own on purpose as an attempt to end the game. Any professional sport with a tournament round-robin/qualifying system would not allow this to happen.
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Coca Cola Classic
266 Posts
Whoever argued that viewers of other professional sports allow for teams to blatantly lose the game is beyond short sighted. Viewers would NOT stand for players kicking it into their own on purpose as an attempt to end the game. Any professional sport with a tournament round-robin/qualifying system would not allow this to happen. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
Well... It's obvious that Nani will always do his best in a tournament. Especially in Korea as he really thinks that the best players are there. Why would he not do his best in Code S? It's all he's been talking about for almost a year's time now. Open your eyes man.. | ||
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MonkeyMaan
Denmark40 Posts
My philosophy in this sort of circumstance is that you should just enjoy the little things and so I did. WHY DID PEOPLE NOT RAGE when Idra forfeited his match against Haypro in Dreamhack? (I think, right) Those matches have much more importance to them than these matches, yet I did not see 2309429304 threads of uproar with that. This is silly. | ||
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forSeohyun
504 Posts
Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open "Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote: i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. | ||
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ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I just felt like it wouldn't satisfy the fans at all with playing half hearted... they clearly wouldn't have gotten their expectations met. I don't see how what Naniwa decided to do addresses these things differently, but OK. | ||
disciple
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FluXxxx
Germany57 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote: This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. glad someone agrees with me  with nothing at stake,the game itself is so much more fun | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:40 hinnolinn wrote: I do not think that word means what you think it means. taken from dictionary.com Professional following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder. notice the word following professional? It does not mention how the builder acts, but what the builder does, he builds for money. much like a professional gamer games for money. Naniwa was paid to play that match. You don't pay a builder to put a brick on top of another brick and call it a house. Even if the builder was planning to build a really good house and earn a bonus, and realized they wouldn't get the bonus for whatever reason, they've still agreed to do their job and get paid for it, and "professionalism" means doing it. By the way, I can pull definitions off the internet too. >< Professionalism: "exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional[1] I agree that meaningless matches are bad for tournaments, but Naniwa's actions nevertheless reflected poorly on him. I can understand feeling mentally beaten and I feel bad for him being in that situation --- but people wouldn't be as up in arms if he would understand how he was being immature. "Next time I still won't try, but it will be less obvious to you people" shows that he doesn't even understand where he went wrong! On December 14 2011 01:12 disciple wrote: Exactly, imagine Barca playing a meaningless game with their B squad, OMG they will rob all fans who paid to see Messi so unprofessional Playing with your B-team is different. It's like saying, "look, here is something you don't get to see often, that we now have the chance to show you." To me it's a matter of whether people are still even trying. If Naniwa said, "hey, I tried an unorthodox strategy because I was out anyway. I didn't think it would work but I tried my best." --- then I wouldn't think less of him. But if he basically says "I wasn't trying at all, and if I'm in that situation again I still won't try" --- then I do think less of him. And I don't think people should judge whether competitors are trying, either --- I'm just going by what he said. Players get nervous, get sick, get thrown off, have bad days. If someone plays a terrible game I won't judge them, I just assume there's something I don't know about. But I wouldn't be a fan of a player who says he wasn't trying and doesn't care. | ||
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Jungosi
Germany186 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote: If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD Maybe its just me but when you are used to winning or being successful losing out early hits you really hard. Sure it is embarassing and unfair towards paying viewers and the organizers but sometimes to you have to give the players a break. I don't agree with Naniwa just quitting the game but I can understand it. And frankly I think doing a 4-Gate or something similar in his situation wouldn't have done him any better. With his reputation often finds himself in sticky situations PR-wise. His attitude isn't really helping there either but he is right in one regard : people love to hate him. He is like the Jay Cutler or Philip Rivers of SC2. When Cutler went down in NFC Championship Game it unleashed a huge(and I mean HUGE) shitstorm. If say Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan had sat out the rest of the game no one would have cared. Same with Nani. Once the public, press and some other players don't like you for whatever reason everything you do is put under a microscope. Hardly a chance to regain the respect of the masses when many community figures hate you. Most people know shit about Nani and just repeat after whoever they are following. tl;dr I don't like what Nani did and find it somewhat embarrassing. I however can understand him and think that people blow this way out of proportion. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
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Fjodorov
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deathzz
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
Wouldn't the right thing to do in that situation be to play the best you possibly could and try your hardest to get a win for the fans? Anyway, like I said, glad there was an apology and I hope he's learnt his lesson. I still think there should be some sort of monetary punishment from the team or the tournament (mainly because of his comments about koreans taking it "too seriously"), but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen. Time to put this one to bed I think. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open "Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable | ||
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Coca Cola Classic
266 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:12 disciple wrote: Exactly, imagine Barca playing a meaningless game with their B squad, OMG they will rob all fans who paid to see Messi so unprofessional At least the match was played, with no attempt to sabotage the scoreline. | ||
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ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
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