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On December 14 2011 01:18 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:12 disciple wrote:
Exactly, imagine Barca playing a meaningless game with their B squad, OMG they will rob all fans who paid to see Messi so unprofessional That implies the B squad isnt trying to win. And they only really field the B squad against the worst teams in La Liga. Bit different from literally handing the game to the opponent.
The b squad is trying to win because its a rare possibility to show themselves. That analogy doesnt work...
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On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable
I meant quite the opposite, it is to show these things blow over.
McEnroe is still considered one of the greats, he got famous for his outbursts. He was fined for them but he still got to play. Probably because he became an asset.
Both Naniwa and McEnroe obviously hates losing and has trouble dealing with it.
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Naniwa being Naniwa and ESPORTS drama being... fucking ridiculous.
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On December 14 2011 01:19 exupery wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 ellirc wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 exupery wrote:On December 14 2011 00:39 ellirc wrote:On December 14 2011 00:35 exupery wrote:
the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time. Did you not know that Nani played four games today just like everybody else? He lost the first three ones very narrowly and you say he didn't do his best? Get real. I mean the final game today. MINDSET Well... It's obvious that Nani will always do his best in a tournament. Especially in Korea as he really thinks that the best players are there. Why would he not do his best in Code S? It's all he's been talking about for almost a year's time now. Open your eyes man.. I know he's have been trying so hard and he always wants to advance in code s. I also understand his feeling, But he need to reorganize his mind
His mindset is fine. He wants to be the best and will do what it takes to get there. Don't ever doubt his will to fight for a win.
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On December 14 2011 00:23 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:21 Aunvilgod wrote:
Before these games I was already guessing Naniwa is a really arrogant kid but now I know it for sure. I guess we now know exactly what happened at col.... Naniwa probe rushed Complexity?!
Rofl :D
Love u Nani, keep up being yourself and have luck in GSL!!!!!!
Nani is a PERSONALITY, this kind of guys are the best for esports 
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On December 14 2011 01:21 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:14 Linwelin wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 StatorFlux wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Nyc9jzSDg Naniwa is a better behaved John McEnroe. Tennis is probably a even more etiquette-bound community than Starcraft and yet McEnroe is considered one of the all-time greats. Wikipedia on his DQ from Australian Open"Controversy was never far from McEnroe, however; in his fourth round match against Mikael Pernfors at the 1990 Australian Open, McEnroe was ejected from the tournament for swearing at the umpire, supervisor, and referee" Naniwa seems tame in comparison. You can always find worse cases. Doesn't make Naniwa's behavior any more acceptable these things are dumb, take for example the NFL teams will almost always player their b or even c squad at the end of the season for multiple reasons, injury, and the fact that unless they're borderline the only time the game matters is when determining play off seeding sometimes. Like the thing Naniwa did happens in every sport, but ironically to much worse a degree. The game didn't matter, he was pissed, let him be for the love of God, people take some stuff way to seriously. People act like Naniwa walked into the game, said Fuck you to Nestea, and then quit the game immediately, that's not what happened, he just tried a really bad all-in. still don't hand the football over to the opposing team and tell them to score a touchdown. They still try to tackle. They still try to execute offensive sets.
Have you watched a Colts game this year?
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On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would.
I agree to an extent, it's mildly annoying almost that people expect and actually want people to act the same way every korean programer. Don't get me wrong i'm sure that the koreans are cool people, but 9/10 the way they act in public is absolutely boring and abysmal for esports. Noone wants a bland, oh well i will try harder. I'm 100% okay with naniwa being naniwa, i don't want some flavorless, super mannered, boring game.
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Damn Naniwa, why you probe rush? You should have made your probes attack your own nexus and gave the camera the finger. Would have been much funnier...
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On December 14 2011 01:19 HoodedAvatar wrote:
this is so wrong on so many levels. Let me give you an example using the world cup. Imagine it is round robin play and top national team like Italy or Spain is 0-2 , and will absolutely not make it into the next elimination round. Yet the said team still has to play out their third game. How embarassing for that country would it be if they decided to just throw the game by either forfeiting or scoring in their own net intentionally. There would be a massive uproar for the complete disrespect of the sport, the competition and the nation being represented. Never in any sport is what Naniwa did acceptable, for the same reasons. Naniwa is a top foreigner, no doubt about that and that is why he should act professionally at events, ecpecially one like this where the ENTIRe foreign scene is on his shoulders, if your going to lose thats fine but at least show that you care.
totally agree with you.
addition: In world cup round32, four teams play simultaneously to avoid this kind things happen.
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Trying to win is the only thing that anyone who disagrees with naniwa cares about.
There wouldn't even be a thread/newsarticle if he at least made it LOOK like he's trying to win.
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On December 14 2011 01:24 exupery wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:19 HoodedAvatar wrote:
this is so wrong on so many levels. Let me give you an example using the world cup. Imagine it is round robin play and top national team like Italy or Spain is 0-2 , and will absolutely not make it into the next elimination round. Yet the said team still has to play out their third game. How embarassing for that country would it be if they decided to just throw the game by either forfeiting or scoring in their own net intentionally. There would be a massive uproar for the complete disrespect of the sport, the competition and the nation being represented. Never in any sport is what Naniwa did acceptable, for the same reasons. Naniwa is a top foreigner, no doubt about that and that is why he should act professionally at events, ecpecially one like this where the ENTIRe foreign scene is on his shoulders, if your going to lose thats fine but at least show that you care. totally agree with you. addition: In world cup round32, four teams play simultaneously to avoid this kind things happen. The league system should be changed too Btw, Naniwa did inappropriate.
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On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would.
nestea was 0-3 u tink he would be cheery about it? yet he approached it with more professionalism
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On December 14 2011 01:19 HoodedAvatar wrote:
this is so wrong on so many levels. Let me give you an example using the world cup. Imagine it is round robin play and top national team like Italy or Spain is 0-2 , and will absolutely not make it into the next elimination round. Yet the said team still has to play out their third game. How embarassing for that country would it be if they decided to just throw the game by either forfeiting or scoring in their own net intentionally. There would be a massive uproar for the complete disrespect of the sport, the competition and the nation being represented. Never in any sport is what Naniwa did acceptable, for the same reasons. Naniwa is a top foreigner, no doubt about that and that is why he should act professionally at events, ecpecially one like this where the ENTIRe foreign scene is on his shoulders, if your going to lose thats fine but at least show that you care.
totally agree with you.
addition: In world cup round32, four teams play simultaneously to avoid this kind things happen.
The league system should be changed too
Btw, Naniwa did inappropriate.
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On December 14 2011 01:24 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
Trying to win is the only thing that anyone who disagrees with naniwa cares about.
There wouldn't even be a thread/newsarticle if he at least made it LOOK like he's trying to win.
He had absolutely no chance to win the tournament. So your argument is invalid.
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On December 14 2011 01:27 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:24 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
Trying to win is the only thing that anyone who disagrees with naniwa cares about.
There wouldn't even be a thread/newsarticle if he at least made it LOOK like he's trying to win.
He had absolutely no chance to win the tournament. So your argument is invalid.
Winning the tournament DOES NOT EQUAL trying to win A SINGLE game.
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On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would.
the last table soccer tournament i played i lost in the semi finals and i completely freaked out and smashed my glass against a wall and then i had to play for 3rd place!the organizer wanted me to play just after this incident,so i asked for a 5 minute break to calm down!these games have been the funniest matches i have played so far!
i could have won this tournament,i was by far the best player over there but my opponent was lucky,i didn't even shake his hand after the games,later i apologized for being such an asshole!
you gotta overcome such a behaviour!!!no excuse for that
edit: nothing was at stake,only 1st place got a reward
and i was quite ashamed of myself
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On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would.
All good points ...
Except ofcourse ...
They are professionals and they get paid to do this, so he should either suck it up and keep playing, or quit the team, return the paychecks and stick to ladder.
There is nothing more to it.
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On December 14 2011 01:28 FluXxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would. the last table soccer tournament i played i lost in the semi finals and i completely freaked out and smashed my glass against a wall and then i had to play for 3rd place!the organizer wanted me to play just after this incident,so i asked for a 5 minute break to calm down!these games have been the funniest matches i have played so far! i could have won this tournament,i was by far the best player over there but my opponent was lucky,i didn't even shake his hand after the games,later i apologized for being such an asshole! you gotta overcome such a behaviour!!!no excuse for that
a 3rd/4th place match is different than group stages of this tournament, you at least had some sort of incentive to get 3rd over 4th, whereas beating nestea offered him nothing.
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On December 14 2011 01:28 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:27 ellirc wrote:On December 14 2011 01:24 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
Trying to win is the only thing that anyone who disagrees with naniwa cares about.
There wouldn't even be a thread/newsarticle if he at least made it LOOK like he's trying to win.
He had absolutely no chance to win the tournament. So your argument is invalid. Winning the tournament DOES NOT EQUAL trying to win A SINGLE game.
Exactly... What's your point here?
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On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would.
Forcing him to play for "blood and drama"!? Seriously? Do you really think that requiring a pro-player to play the four games of the tournament he signed up for is "disrespectful to him as a human being"? I am sorry but I just can't follow you there...
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