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On December 14 2011 01:12 disciple wrote:
Exactly, imagine Barca playing a meaningless game with their B squad, OMG they will rob all fans who paid to see Messi so unprofessional
This is a very wrong example.
1- Barça still plays the game.
2- B Squad is still Barça's squad.
3- They are still Barça players who are working their ass off to win.
4- They are still trained hard for these kinds of situations. To deliver the win after these kinds of games.
4- It's a technical decision for saving unnecessary injuries or letting better players to rest and for other stuff. But if you look deeper it's still a decision that is made to aim the most out of an easy win or an unnecessary game. The intention is still there.
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It blows my mind that people are still raging about this.
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On December 14 2011 01:30 SPQR13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would. All good points ... Except ofcourse ... They are professionals and they get paid to do this, so he should either suck it up and keep playing, or quit the team, return the paychecks and stick to ladder. There is nothing more to it.
he did keep playing, what's your point? did he walk into the game say screw you nestea and then quit it without doing anything?
On December 14 2011 01:32 aut0mati0n wrote:
It blows my mind that people are still raging about this.
RLY? did you see the drama about ipl qual in the phillipines people were legit acting like gus should be murdered or whatever, i'm not the least surprised to see this.
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Korean reaction, to those who say they are overreacting, is quite understandable: east cultures have a lot of sacrifice, never giving up and honor embedded in them, so put that next to that game and you can start to understand why they would tweet curses at him...
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Im so dissapointed in IMMVP, how can he say something like that?
i used to have respect for him, but to totally disregard naniwas feelings and insulting him in such a idiotic fashion have really made me change my mind about him.
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On December 14 2011 01:32 Ivanov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:12 disciple wrote:
Exactly, imagine Barca playing a meaningless game with their B squad, OMG they will rob all fans who paid to see Messi so unprofessional This is a very wrong example. 1- Barça still plays the game. 2- B Squad is still Barça's squad. 3- They are still Barça players who are working their ass off to win. 4- It's a technical decision for saving unnecessary injuries or letting better players to rest and for other stuff. But if you look deeper still a decision that is made to aim the most out of an easy win.
A game is a game. It started with a base and 6 workers each, and ended in a player surrendering or having all their units destroyed. It's still naniwa vs nestea regardless of what level of competition it is.
Your last two points are valid.
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On December 14 2011 01:33 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:30 SPQR13 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would. All good points ... Except ofcourse ... They are professionals and they get paid to do this, so he should either suck it up and keep playing, or quit the team, return the paychecks and stick to ladder. There is nothing more to it. he did keep playing, what's your point? did he walk into the game say screw you nestea and then quit it without doing anything?
That is pretty much exactly what he did, mocking the tournament at the process
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On December 14 2011 01:26 deathzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would. nestea was 0-3 u tink he would be cheery about it? yet he approached it with more professionalism
So what? people are different, maybe he wanted to play that game and maybe he can accept losses easier.. Im confident Whitera whouldve played it as well. But Nani isnt whitera or neastea... He lost and was frustrated and probably wanted to be left alone and gather his thoughts. Is that not acceptable?!
He wanted to collect himself after a pretty heart breaking loss and people cant even let him alone people cant be decent enough to let someone who tried really hard and is REALLY passionate about that game alone to gather himself because obviously playing a freaking SHOW MATCH! is more important then giving a human being the time to get over something.
The show must go on, right? Disgusting²
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at the end of the season when they are out of the playoffs are professional sports teams throwing games and sending out there back-ups no they still want to win because they are competitive this is pretty much naniwa saying he only plays for money if there is no chance of improving that then he feels no need to play.
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Haha I thought it was funny, more fun than anything else that could have happened if they actually played properly. Don't understand what the fuss is about at all tbh.
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I find it pointless that GOMTV even makes them play the meaningless matches.
Naniwa is just being real and honest about it. There are too many impulsive forum drama queens that quickly call people all sort of stuff.. just keep cool!
Btw, shocked that both NesTea and Nani got knocked out >_>
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Upclosegamers.com:
Tags :naniwa naniwa bad manner naniwa bad manner nestea naniwa bm nestea naniwa mlg
thisisgame.com
People have different reactions. From "If Naniwa gets GSL seed again from GomTV, I will strongly complain", "Greg Fields is an angel compared to Naniwa", "This is outrageous". Most fans blame Naniwa for his immature behaviour.
Different reactions indeed...
We swear that calling Naniwa a pro-gamer is overrating him
teamliquid.net:
Interview with naniwa himself, asking the relevant questions while maintaining a neutral and unbiased position.
TL wins at journalism.
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On December 14 2011 01:34 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Im so dissapointed in IMMVP, how can he say something like that?
i used to have respect for him, but to totally disregard naniwas feelings and insulting him in such a idiotic fashion have really made me change my mind about him.
You may have the wrong MVP in mind, MVP the player said "WTF"
That's all he said.
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On December 14 2011 01:34 SPQR13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:33 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:30 SPQR13 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would. All good points ... Except ofcourse ... They are professionals and they get paid to do this, so he should either suck it up and keep playing, or quit the team, return the paychecks and stick to ladder. There is nothing more to it. he did keep playing, what's your point? did he walk into the game say screw you nestea and then quit it without doing anything? That is pretty much exactly what he did, mocking the tournament at the process
No he didn't. Question would you be bitching if nestea 6 pooled him? Probably not, if so it's just a legitimacy question over which strategy someone uses to win. Yeah probe rush sucks as a strat, so does 6 pooling any toss who knows what they're doing. It's absolutely obnoxious, peoples view and bias against naniwa because it's naniwa. theres quite a bit difference between what i said that naniwa could have done and what actually happened.
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Maybe someoone could enlighten me the name of the tournament where some koreans offraced and the game where Huk played against Nestea and tried to beat him 100% and he did. After the match nestea said "I didnt think he would play that serious" IS THE SAME AS THIS wow
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On December 14 2011 01:36 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:34 SPQR13 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:33 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:30 SPQR13 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:21 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 01:09 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 FluXxxx wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 00:49 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 00:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Naniwa: "With nothing at stake people can't show their best."
Very disappointed. Sure, there was no immediate cash at stake from that match, but what about fan support? What about leaving behind an epic grudgematch to be talked about for several months? What about the 'image' of a 'progamer'? What about just playing a fine broadcasted game for the sake of playing the game?
Why would Blizzard schedule the game even if the result did not affect the numbers on the cheques?
There are certain underlying expectations that were shattered. Have you ever lost a game ever? I personally don't want to play directly after an important game. If I'm forced to play when I just dont want to because it's senseless since I'm on tilt, I quit. Naniwa did just the same. What expectations are you even talking about? If Naniwa crushed Nestea, everyone would have said 'Nestea was on tilt bla'. If Naniwa got crushed everyone would say the same about Nani. There wouldnt have been a grudge match because it was in an not competitive situation anymore, so the restults dont matter. If you play sports competitively you'll find dozens of times when things don't go your way and you find yourself in Naniwa's position. It's one of the worst things feelings ever, but that's sports. If a tournament wants you to play out the remaining matches you take it like a man. If I pulled off something similar as Naniwa I would get suspended by my club. edit: After typing I actually recalled a chess tournament where I did something similar as Naniwa. I call tell you that didn't end well for me XD i have played so many different sports competitively,soccer,table top soccer, volleyball whatever and there were always events where i or my team played decider matches that i didn't want to play because i was disappointed but i played everytime because i fucking loved these kind of sports!!! I have just played for the fun and some of these matches have been the most funniest matches i have ever played! This is so unbelievably true actually. I remember this game ending in soccer where we won 7-5 it was just insane as both teams really wanted to go out with a bang, it really helped wash away the pain of the defeat. Yes it can be fun once youre over your loss and just play just for the heck of it. But look at this tournament... Nani probably prepared a ton for this and played really good, and had 3 pretty heartbreaking and close losses. So after this he is probably sad, let down, mad, frustrated.. And then people cant just leave them alone and force him to play a completly pointless match? Just because theyre out for more blood and drama? Really? People talk about respect for the audience and the sponsors but who has some respect for naniwa. Yes Whitera probably wouldve done something goofy in that game and enjoyed it. But people are different and Nani is someone who obviously takes this game really serious and takes a while to get over these losses. And these losses WHERE heartbreaking and frustrating. And forcing someone who obviously doesnt want to play a fun game / is frustrated and in a bad mood to play, just because people want more blood and drama?! THATS disrespectful towards these players as persons with emotions and nerves. People will get stressed out/sad over losses because theyre human beings and if people feel like this then forcing them to play meaningless games just for the crowd is disrespectful to them as human beings. At least the guy acts like himself and says what he means instead of going "im soo sorry i promise my fans ill train more" like 90% of koreans would. All good points ... Except ofcourse ... They are professionals and they get paid to do this, so he should either suck it up and keep playing, or quit the team, return the paychecks and stick to ladder. There is nothing more to it. he did keep playing, what's your point? did he walk into the game say screw you nestea and then quit it without doing anything? That is pretty much exactly what he did, mocking the tournament at the process No he didn't. Question would you be bitching if nestea 6 pooled him? Probably not. It's absolutely obnoxious, peoples view and bias against naniwa because it's naniwa. Mocking what may i ask, theres quite a bit difference between what i said that naniwa could have done and what actually happened.
I would be bitching if Nestea drone rushed him.
I'd also laugh it the drone rush met a probe rush in the middle of the map.
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I cannot believe this "community"... He gave you his reasoning and if you don't like it, that's too bad for you. His reasoning is sound. I would have to say the majority here can't say shit about what he did. Why? That's easy. How the hell do you know how he feels in that situation. Are you in the GSL? Do you play at that level? You can say that "I would never do that" or "no reason for this behavior", but until you are put in that exact situation, your opinion means nothing. So quit crying about what and why he did it. From his standpoint he doesn't owe anyone here anything; but he still explained his side for this so called "community" anyways.
Take it for what it is. If you don't like him or don't agree with him that's fine. You want to blast something, blast the tournament setup.
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On December 14 2011 01:33 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:32 aut0mati0n wrote:
It blows my mind that people are still raging about this. RLY? did you see the drama about ipl qual in the phillipines people were legit acting like gus should be murdered or whatever, i'm not the least surprised to see this.
Yeah, that's cause Gus sole thousands of dollars of promoter and community member money.
All Naniwa did was save me the seven or so minutes a one-base-all-in takes.
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good job someone cleared it up....LOL
Seriously though its not us he has to apologise too, the foreigners arent as annoyed as the korean fans, i dont care if he probe rushes a game that has no effect on him...his choice his fans hate it not the players who just watch sc2, they will just chose not to watch him.
The koreans found it offensive to just throw games away, and like he said why not just 4gate, no1 would of cared if you 4gated....but to probe rush is to just enter the game and type gg....
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Why even play the game? Saying "Fuck you, I'm not playing your game if you aren't going to give me a chance at prizes" is pretty much what Naniwa did, except instead of saying it outside the match, he did it slowly and in front of thousands.
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