• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:07
CET 06:07
KST 14:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket6Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA11
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1373 users

Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 21

Forum Index > SC2 General
1213 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 61 Next
rontol
Profile Joined June 2011
71 Posts
December 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#401
lol..

Nani doesnt seems to see the implication(s) of this

If you think 7 probes rush is okay for you because you have a good reason for it

Doesnt meat its okay for your

1) Sponsor(s) (his new Team obv)
2) Gomtv
3) Fans

sorry it's not fair and professional

at least give some face to your new team

Life is a (fateful) choice
Ravomat
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany422 Posts
December 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#402
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea


You didn't read properly. He could not advance. Thus he could not win the tournament.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
December 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#403
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.

Kid just discovered real life. :O

No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
December 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#404
Love Naniwa. Just people are overeacting so much and complaining just cause its him =/.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
December 13 2011 16:51 GMT
#405
Don't blame him - In professional base ball they will walk amazing batters *ichiro* Before letting them hit. Massive let down for the fans but it happens anyways. Handegg teams will end games just straight up early, epriving* fans of their game - esp when teams are more than capable of making the last minute of a game last F O R E V E R.

And that's massive amounts of sponsorship money - player money - ad money gone. Huge implications for the teams and their supporters.

And you know what? It's accepted.

No one wants to see two dead men walking slap each other around for 15 minutes before a random retarded loss. I feel bad for naniwa going 0-2 and honestly. I'd be crushed if I were him.

Good luck man. <3
Tahts halo dont worry
soulking
Profile Joined December 2011
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 18:36:00
December 13 2011 16:51 GMT
#406


walk it off koreans...it won't hurt much longer
Samahoj
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden109 Posts
December 13 2011 16:51 GMT
#407
On December 14 2011 01:50 rontol wrote:
lol..

Nani doesnt seems to see the implication(s) of this

If you think 7 probes rush is okay for you because you have a good reason for it

Doesnt meat its okay for your

1) Sponsor(s) (his new Team obv)
2) Gomtv
3) Fans

sorry it's not fair and professional

at least give some face to your new team


as a fan i couldn't care less, no excitement could come from the game
MORROW, NANIWA, SASE, THORZAIN, SORTOF | NTH, PULSE, LGD.INT
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
December 13 2011 16:51 GMT
#408
On December 14 2011 01:50 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.

Kid just discovered real life. :O



Or Stephano r o f l.
Tahts halo dont worry
FluXxxx
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany57 Posts
December 13 2011 16:52 GMT
#409
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#410
On December 14 2011 01:52 FluXxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?

Wow......
exupery
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)27 Posts
December 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#411
On December 14 2011 01:23 ellirc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:19 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:09 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:06 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:39 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:35 exupery wrote:
the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time.

Did you not know that Nani played four games today just like everybody else? He lost the first three ones very narrowly and you say he didn't do his best? Get real.

I mean the final game today. MINDSET

Well... It's obvious that Nani will always do his best in a tournament. Especially in Korea as he really thinks that the best players are there. Why would he not do his best in Code S? It's all he's been talking about for almost a year's time now. Open your eyes man..

I know he's been trying so hard and he always wants to advance in code s. I also understand his feeling, But he need to reorganize his mind

His mindset is fine. He wants to be the best and will do what it takes to get there. Don't ever doubt his will to fight for a win.

'Trying my best' is what he said, not what he did. I know it's meaningless game and hate that shoddy system.
However as a fan, I want him to try as well as win the game. Throwing probes is so ridiculous. Surrender before game begins is much more reasonable.
I prefer watching.
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
December 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#412
On December 14 2011 01:47 gedatsu wrote:
Signed up to chip in on this.

Naniwa is essentially saying three things; he didn't feel like playing, other players did the same thing, and people are just upset because it's him.

Those points are all understandable, but there are some things he needs to consider:

1. This was an invite-only, "champion of the champions" kind of tournament. Gom made them play the match, even though they usually cancel meaningless matches in the up&down groups. Does Nani understand why Gom wanted them to play this game? Up&downs are only there to prepare for the next season, they're no tournament on their own. The Blizzard cup was incredibly hyped, it promised me 10 awesome games between 5 awesome players. We didn't get that today.

2. The situation with Stephano was different. He did not play in an invite-only, "champion of the champions" tournament. He did not have any remarkable history with ClouD. Stephano's team did not tweet about an upcoming "grudge match of the century". Does Naniwa understand the significance that people were looking forward to this match, specifically?

3. Yes, it's very likely that people are "hating just beacuse it's [you]". That is exactly why you should be very worried about it. Do you, Naniwa, understand who it is that pays you for playing this game? It's us. The viewers. Sure, not on the short run. Today it was Gom who paid you. But if you keep making people dislike you, then people will stop watching your matches. This is a spectator sport and therefore you need spectators. If nobody watches your matches, tournaments will stop inviting you. Your team will let you go if they feel your actions are detrimental to them. You need fans. Alienating your fans is a bad idea.


So yes, the match was meaningless. Instead of throwing it away and disappointing a lot of people, perhaps you should have treated it like a showmatch? Build carriers, make your zealots dance, build only cannons, or even offrace. You had a golden opportunity to gain fans and appreciation from fellow progamers. Instead you lost fans and upset the whole Korean scene which you aim to be part of.


You got something totally new though. Shit's hyped now because of Naniwas attitude.
Tahts halo dont worry
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
December 13 2011 16:54 GMT
#413
On December 14 2011 01:52 FluXxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?

Its MEANINGLESS just like if Nani was beating MVP over and over again in practise no one would take it seriously because the games are MEANINGLESS. In a competitive environment its increadibly hard to have any motivation to play a meaningless game in any situation, even more so when you just got eliminated from the tourny you wanted to win so badly.
Samahoj
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden109 Posts
December 13 2011 16:54 GMT
#414
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.

he plays to become the best, not to win a showmatch for your entertainment
MORROW, NANIWA, SASE, THORZAIN, SORTOF | NTH, PULSE, LGD.INT
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
December 13 2011 16:54 GMT
#415
Hah trust Nani to stir up 2 shitstorms in 3 tournaments? I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#416
On December 14 2011 01:48 Mekare wrote:
I don't really get the fuss everyone is making about this to be honest.
Naniwa is right, other players do things like this in matches that don't mean anything, too. They are just a bit more subtle about it. And this match really did not matter at all. It's not like any other player benefitted or suffered a disadvantage because of it. As he said, he could've opted for an "acceptable" form of cheese or something, and wouldn't have gotten nearly half as much criticism.
I rather like Naniwas blunt honesty.

So because other players do something wrong its okay for him to do it. The only reason this became a bigger issue then those other instances was because there is alot of controversy behind naniwa recently. Its very very childish to think "because other players have done something wrong that means its okay if i do something wrong too" how old are you 12?
Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#417
IMO he did what he did because he was shaken up after going 0-3, and now that hes up against Nestea he doesn't want to lose after creating hype for a grudge rematch between them. So he denies Nestea a proper victory by probe rushing to turn the game into a "who cares doesn't matter" type of game. Smart move imo. He would have been humiliated if he played a normal game and Nestea crushed him after going 0-3 already.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#418
100% agree except on one point. It is a matter of professionalism to give at least a token effort. He should've 4-gated (as he said), and then it's a non-issue.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#419
On December 14 2011 01:52 FluXxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?


Because after losing 3 extremely close games that really mattered in the tournament, it's psychologically impossible for him to play on a good enough level to take down Nestea anyway.
miwi
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden647 Posts
December 13 2011 16:56 GMT
#420
On December 14 2011 01:47 gedatsu wrote:
Signed up to chip in on this.

Naniwa is essentially saying three things; he didn't feel like playing, other players did the same thing, and people are just upset because it's him.

Those points are all understandable, but there are some things he needs to consider:

1. This was an invite-only, "champion of the champions" kind of tournament. Gom made them play the match, even though they usually cancel meaningless matches in the up&down groups. Does Nani understand why Gom wanted them to play this game? Up&downs are only there to prepare for the next season, they're no tournament on their own. The Blizzard cup was incredibly hyped, it promised me 10 awesome games between 5 awesome players. We didn't get that today.

2. The situation with Stephano was different. He did not play in an invite-only, "champion of the champions" tournament. He did not have any remarkable history with ClouD. Stephano's team did not tweet about an upcoming "grudge match of the century". Does Naniwa understand the significance that people were looking forward to this match, specifically?

3. Yes, it's very likely that people are "hating just beacuse it's [you]". That is exactly why you should be very worried about it. Do you, Naniwa, understand who it is that pays you for playing this game? It's us. The viewers. Sure, not on the short run. Today it was Gom who paid you. But if you keep making people dislike you, then people will stop watching your matches. This is a spectator sport and therefore you need spectators. If nobody watches your matches, tournaments will stop inviting you. Your team will let you go if they feel your actions are detrimental to them. You need fans. Alienating your fans is a bad idea.


So yes, the match was meaningless. Instead of throwing it away and disappointing a lot of people, perhaps you should have treated it like a showmatch? Build carriers, make your zealots dance, build only cannons, or even offrace. You had a golden opportunity to gain fans and appreciation from fellow progamers. Instead you lost fans and upset the whole Korean scene which you aim to be part of.

You couldn't be more wrong, NaNiwa and all the other players QUALIFIED for this tournament by winning/placing high in the biggest tournaments of 2011 (2nd at MLG Providence in NaNiwas case).
Liquipedia\Ü/
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 61 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
01:30
FSL recap and team league plan
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 207
ProTech125
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 625
PianO 581
BeSt 222
EffOrt 164
NaDa 38
Mind 33
Aegong 28
zelot 26
Sexy 18
Bale 13
[ Show more ]
Shinee 12
Icarus 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever707
XaKoH 375
NeuroSwarm120
League of Legends
JimRising 761
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1499
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor74
Trikslyr62
Other Games
summit1g12822
WinterStarcraft327
C9.Mang0299
fl0m286
Mew2King26
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick914
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH59
• practicex 15
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• Diggity3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21316
League of Legends
• Rush1186
• Lourlo808
• Stunt285
Other Games
• Scarra1625
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
2h 23m
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
OSC
7h 53m
BSL: GosuLeague
15h 53m
RSL Revival
1d 2h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
BSL 21
2 days
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
IPSL
3 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
3 days
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.