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Naniwa Interview - Blizzard Cup Group B - Page 22

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rontol
Profile Joined June 2011
71 Posts
December 13 2011 16:56 GMT
#421
On December 14 2011 01:51 Samahoj wrote:
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On December 14 2011 01:50 rontol wrote:
lol..

Nani doesnt seems to see the implication(s) of this

If you think 7 probes rush is okay for you because you have a good reason for it

Doesnt meat its okay for your

1) Sponsor(s) (his new Team obv)
2) Gomtv
3) Fans

sorry it's not fair and professional

at least give some face to your new team


as a fan i couldn't care less, no excitement could come from the game



They are hundreds/thousands who are waiting for a good game between these 2 pros

How would you know there would be no excitement as the game haven't even evolved yet?
Life is a (fateful) choice
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
December 13 2011 16:56 GMT
#422
On December 14 2011 01:53 exupery wrote:
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On December 14 2011 01:23 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:19 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:09 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:06 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:39 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:35 exupery wrote:
the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time.

Did you not know that Nani played four games today just like everybody else? He lost the first three ones very narrowly and you say he didn't do his best? Get real.

I mean the final game today. MINDSET

Well... It's obvious that Nani will always do his best in a tournament. Especially in Korea as he really thinks that the best players are there. Why would he not do his best in Code S? It's all he's been talking about for almost a year's time now. Open your eyes man..

I know he's been trying so hard and he always wants to advance in code s. I also understand his feeling, But he need to reorganize his mind

His mindset is fine. He wants to be the best and will do what it takes to get there. Don't ever doubt his will to fight for a win.

Surrender before game begins is much more reasonable.

Was he allowed to do that?
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 13 2011 16:56 GMT
#423
On December 14 2011 01:55 Talin wrote:
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On December 14 2011 01:52 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?


Because after losing 3 extremely close games that really mattered in the tournament, it's psychologically impossible for him to play on a good enough level to take down Nestea anyway.

No. He should play like robot. No emotions. Only show good games to fans. Not to be hurting ESPORTS. No disrespecting Lim Jae Duk!!!

!!!!!
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
December 13 2011 16:57 GMT
#424
On December 14 2011 01:51 Samahoj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:50 rontol wrote:
lol..

Nani doesnt seems to see the implication(s) of this

If you think 7 probes rush is okay for you because you have a good reason for it

Doesnt meat its okay for your

1) Sponsor(s) (his new Team obv)
2) Gomtv
3) Fans

sorry it's not fair and professional

at least give some face to your new team


as a fan i couldn't care less, no excitement could come from the game


right right... just like how there is a 2v2 day9 artosis incontrol tyler match tonight that has NO MONEY on the line. I bet that brings ZERO excitement from nobody as well.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
December 13 2011 16:57 GMT
#425
On December 14 2011 01:53 exupery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:23 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:19 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:09 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:06 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:39 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:35 exupery wrote:
the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time.

Did you not know that Nani played four games today just like everybody else? He lost the first three ones very narrowly and you say he didn't do his best? Get real.

I mean the final game today. MINDSET

Well... It's obvious that Nani will always do his best in a tournament. Especially in Korea as he really thinks that the best players are there. Why would he not do his best in Code S? It's all he's been talking about for almost a year's time now. Open your eyes man..

I know he's been trying so hard and he always wants to advance in code s. I also understand his feeling, But he need to reorganize his mind

His mindset is fine. He wants to be the best and will do what it takes to get there. Don't ever doubt his will to fight for a win.

'Trying my best' is what he said, not what he did. I know it's meaningless game and hate that shoddy system.
However as a fan, I want him to try as well as win the game. Throwing probes is so ridiculous. Surrender before game begins is much more reasonable.

If he didn't play the game he might have run risk of being banned from GSL because of how it works over there.

Anyway, I'm done here. Can't wait for SOTG tonight.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
December 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#426
Still <3
Fuck mindless self entitled to games despite the people behind the keyboards.
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
December 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#427
On December 14 2011 01:56 miwi wrote:
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On December 14 2011 01:47 gedatsu wrote:
Signed up to chip in on this.

Naniwa is essentially saying three things; he didn't feel like playing, other players did the same thing, and people are just upset because it's him.

Those points are all understandable, but there are some things he needs to consider:

1. This was an invite-only, "champion of the champions" kind of tournament. Gom made them play the match, even though they usually cancel meaningless matches in the up&down groups. Does Nani understand why Gom wanted them to play this game? Up&downs are only there to prepare for the next season, they're no tournament on their own. The Blizzard cup was incredibly hyped, it promised me 10 awesome games between 5 awesome players. We didn't get that today.

2. The situation with Stephano was different. He did not play in an invite-only, "champion of the champions" tournament. He did not have any remarkable history with ClouD. Stephano's team did not tweet about an upcoming "grudge match of the century". Does Naniwa understand the significance that people were looking forward to this match, specifically?

3. Yes, it's very likely that people are "hating just beacuse it's [you]". That is exactly why you should be very worried about it. Do you, Naniwa, understand who it is that pays you for playing this game? It's us. The viewers. Sure, not on the short run. Today it was Gom who paid you. But if you keep making people dislike you, then people will stop watching your matches. This is a spectator sport and therefore you need spectators. If nobody watches your matches, tournaments will stop inviting you. Your team will let you go if they feel your actions are detrimental to them. You need fans. Alienating your fans is a bad idea.


So yes, the match was meaningless. Instead of throwing it away and disappointing a lot of people, perhaps you should have treated it like a showmatch? Build carriers, make your zealots dance, build only cannons, or even offrace. You had a golden opportunity to gain fans and appreciation from fellow progamers. Instead you lost fans and upset the whole Korean scene which you aim to be part of.

You couldn't be more wrong, NaNiwa and all the other players QUALIFIED for this tournament by winning/placing high in the biggest tournaments of 2011 (2nd at MLG Providence in NaNiwas case).

I never said he didn't qualify for this tournament. So obviously, I could be more wrong.
exupery
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)27 Posts
December 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#428
On December 14 2011 01:51 soulking wrote:
Back to the Basic. GSL invites people to play and gives them guidelines.
Naniwa was within those rules of play (guidelines.).

This is a cultural difference thing in regard to how you perceive respect.

From Korea point of view = Naniwa disrespected GSL
From Euro = awesome, nice statement, i like Naniwa even more...where do I buy a t-shirt to support this rebel?

walk it off koreans...it won't hurt much longer


not disrespected, not awesome
disappointed, and poor league system.
I prefer watching.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 17:00:12
December 13 2011 16:59 GMT
#429
It's Naniwa being Naniwa as usual. I don't think the game in itself was the biggest deal in the world but at the same I don't agree with the way he approached it.

Frankly, I think it is going to come back to bite Naniwa himself more than people think in the long run since he was doing an excellent job burning bridges with his past foreign teams and now he has angered/annoyed a good chunk of the Korean teams. The isolated event of him throwing the game does not mean a big thing but he is doing his already bad reputation no favor by pulling these kind of stunts.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 17:00:24
December 13 2011 16:59 GMT
#430
On December 14 2011 01:52 FluXxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?

lol the reason he didnt do it is because hes a pussy. He already lost so many games (against good players) and after talking shit and hyping up the match at the press conference before the tournament he realised how emberassing it would be to lose to nestea and threw the match. We all know its true, thats naniwa for you.

He has the mindset of a small child with a bad attitude, he must have had a really troubled past. (in fact im pretty sure we already know that to be true)
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
December 13 2011 17:01 GMT
#431
On December 14 2011 01:15 ravemir wrote:
Does he realize he'll be even more unpopular in GSL than Polt was?


And that is a feat, still nobody knows he exists
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Samahoj
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 17:03:24
December 13 2011 17:01 GMT
#432
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MORROW, NANIWA, SASE, THORZAIN, SORTOF | NTH, PULSE, LGD.INT
exupery
Profile Joined December 2011
Korea (South)27 Posts
December 13 2011 17:01 GMT
#433
On December 14 2011 01:56 Cocacooh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:53 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:23 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:19 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:09 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:06 exupery wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:39 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:35 exupery wrote:
the poor league system makes this happen. anyway, I was really disappointed.
I heard that naniwa will show up in next code S, hope he does his best next time.

Did you not know that Nani played four games today just like everybody else? He lost the first three ones very narrowly and you say he didn't do his best? Get real.

I mean the final game today. MINDSET

Well... It's obvious that Nani will always do his best in a tournament. Especially in Korea as he really thinks that the best players are there. Why would he not do his best in Code S? It's all he's been talking about for almost a year's time now. Open your eyes man..

I know he's been trying so hard and he always wants to advance in code s. I also understand his feeling, But he need to reorganize his mind

His mindset is fine. He wants to be the best and will do what it takes to get there. Don't ever doubt his will to fight for a win.

Surrender before game begins is much more reasonable.

Was he allowed to do that?

I don't know, it is a little bit difference case but Coca did it, so I guess..
I prefer watching.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 13 2011 17:03 GMT
#434
I ain't even mad. Naniwa fighting.
liftlift > tsm
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
December 13 2011 17:03 GMT
#435
On December 14 2011 01:59 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:52 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:49 ellirc wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing.


He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end.


i didn't see that in his game vs nestea

Are you really that stupid? He plays to win tournaments. He was 0-3 and could not win the tournament. Should I go on?


you really need to say that???

he wants to be the best,so why not use the opportunity to defeat one of the best zergs, again and again, in a big tournament like this regardless of the results?

lol the reason he didnt do it is because hes a pussy. He already lost so many games (against good players) and after talking shit and hyping up the match at the press conference before the tournament he realised how emberassing it would be to lose to nestea and threw the match. We all know its true, thats naniwa for you.

He has the mindset of a small child with a bad attitude, he must have had a really troubled past. (in fact im pretty sure we already know that to be true)


Couldnt agree more.
That dosnt show any kind of charisma or anything. Just a selfish crying little kid that only thinks about himself.
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
December 13 2011 17:03 GMT
#436
We need robots to play Sc2 for us ... oh wait we already had that.
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
December 13 2011 17:04 GMT
#437
Has he refused to play consolation or 3rd place matches previously? If Naniwa is always about winning why has this not come up before? If not he just lost his temper AGAIN and then came up with some bullshit reason afterwards.

Complain about the format afterwards don't rob the fans of the chance to watch you again.
AdreN-
Profile Joined November 2010
United States503 Posts
December 13 2011 17:06 GMT
#438
The game shouldn't even have been played if it has no meaning lol I don't see the big deal
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
December 13 2011 17:06 GMT
#439
On December 14 2011 02:04 dcsoda wrote:
Has he refused to play consolation or 3rd place matches previously? If Naniwa is always about winning why has this not come up before? If not he just lost his temper AGAIN and then came up with some bullshit reason afterwards.

Complain about the format afterwards don't rob the fans of the chance to watch you again.

Honeslty as a huge Nani fan the last thing i want to see is him half ass 4 gate or proxy 2 gate a game and waste time out of everyones day in a game with nothing on the line. He didn't rob me of anything, in fact i got a good chuckle out of the whole situation
Coca Cola Classic
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
266 Posts
December 13 2011 17:07 GMT
#440
The prevailing attitude of those unable to see beyond immediate gain in this thread is alarming. The inability to recognize that other professional leagues have matches that are played with no possibility of going to the championship, yet games are still not handed over to opposing teams is more alarming.

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