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On December 14 2011 02:12 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:06 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 14 2011 02:04 dcsoda wrote:
Has he refused to play consolation or 3rd place matches previously? If Naniwa is always about winning why has this not come up before? If not he just lost his temper AGAIN and then came up with some bullshit reason afterwards.
Complain about the format afterwards don't rob the fans of the chance to watch you again. Honeslty as a huge Nani fan the last thing i want to see is him half ass 4 gate or proxy 2 gate a game and waste time out of everyones day in a game with nothing on the line. He didn't rob me of anything, in fact i got a good chuckle out of the whole situation Then don't do some stupid strat and play one more game. How often do we get to see players like Naniwa and Nestea play? I don't care what is on the line because they have the talent to still make it incredibly entertaining. People payed to watch this tournament and he just wasted my money, that is worse than my time. The part where you are wrong is that there was something on the line, public opinion. You think this would be happening if he played a real game and said afterwards that the game didn't matter?
Well recently Nestea and Nani have played a few times so its becoming a common thing. Put yourself in his shoes, you just got elminated from a huge tourney and now have to play some game that doesnt change anything. Do you really think you'll be able to put a game together with the best of your ability? Theres no chance of it and if your also worried about 1 game out of a tourney wasting you what 10 bucks theres something wrong there
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On December 14 2011 02:10 AdreN- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:07 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
The prevailing attitude of those unable to see beyond immediate gain in this thread is alarming. The inability to recognize that other professional leagues have matches that are played with no possibility of going to the championship, yet games are still not handed over to opposing teams is more alarming.
I think you are referring to games where teams are eliminated from playoff contention (NBA, NFL, etc.). I'd have to disagree with you because in those cases the results of the games affect other teams (playoff positioning, draft positioning, etc.) while in this case the game was 100% meaningless and had no effect on other players.
yeah, with regards to NBA/NFL and draft picks it does matter. However, I was talking more specifically about professional tournaments where a round robin format is in use. Most notably, UEFA Cup or the World Cup. I would love to see Sweden make it to the World Cup, field a team of 7 players, score an own goal and then say "well we went 0-3 in our group, we no longer had anything to play for."
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On December 14 2011 01:40 aut0mati0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:33 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 01:32 aut0mati0n wrote:
It blows my mind that people are still raging about this. RLY? did you see the drama about ipl qual in the phillipines people were legit acting like gus should be murdered or whatever, i'm not the least surprised to see this. Yeah, that's cause Gus sole thousands of dollars of promoter and community member money. All Naniwa did was save me the seven or so minutes a one-base-all-in takes.
the general idea is that the community tends to go crazy whenever anything happens most times dramatically so, idk how many would be threats/asking for gus to be like beaten physically/hurt i saw in response to claims of the stealing of a meesily 10k (yeah its 10k but its not worth being killed over). He did bad things and people wanted him treated like osama bin laden (no i'm not joking go look at some of those threads). Judging by how that behavior was, it's no surprise that people are going nuts over nani (yes a lesser offense but none the less a ridiculous response to a minor thing), when all and all it was a single game that really didn't matter one bit, where people are going to try and extrapolate some crazy viewpoint of naniwa as a person and vilify him like he stole 20 babies.
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I wonder if his sponsors are happy with what he did. He has a lot of attention now but a lot of negative attention. Personally, I don't care about his probe rush into lose but his sponsors might not like it. Unless this guy can live off of winnings, he should attempt to not lose sponsors.
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On December 14 2011 02:09 hiyo_bye wrote:
People care way too much. I thought it wasn't such a big deal
you are the minority apparently, because korea and a lot of other people are disgraced.
Play the fucking game for the fans. Don't hide in your vagina and cry cause you had poor games. Think of other people other than yourself for a second.
PPL wanted to see nestea vs naniwa. not that rubbish.
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On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional".
Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason.
Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out.
Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself.
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I still love you naniwa! A probe rush game still brings on the lols when it's so late at night.
Naniwa just really wants to win, and when he loses that chance to win, he loses his motivation and gets into a depressed state. And I don't know if any of you have been depressed before, but you do stuff that you may have not wanted to. Naniwa was totaly correct about how if he did a 4 gate, no one would have cared.
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this is what i thought exactly naniwa would think. total respect to the man. naniwa hwaiting!
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On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself.
All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point.
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On December 13 2011 23:47 Goibon wrote:
Sad but true, if he just 4 gates no one bitches. He sped up the process and everyone calls him the devil. People are so willing to accept crap instead of the truth. It's unfortunate.
Chin up Naniwa. You played great those other 3 games. Sadly people are focusing on the one game which didn't matter one bit.
So true.
Go naniwa :D
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On December 14 2011 02:17 ToasteR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:12 dcsoda wrote:On December 14 2011 02:06 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 14 2011 02:04 dcsoda wrote:
Has he refused to play consolation or 3rd place matches previously? If Naniwa is always about winning why has this not come up before? If not he just lost his temper AGAIN and then came up with some bullshit reason afterwards.
Complain about the format afterwards don't rob the fans of the chance to watch you again. Honeslty as a huge Nani fan the last thing i want to see is him half ass 4 gate or proxy 2 gate a game and waste time out of everyones day in a game with nothing on the line. He didn't rob me of anything, in fact i got a good chuckle out of the whole situation Then don't do some stupid strat and play one more game. How often do we get to see players like Naniwa and Nestea play? I don't care what is on the line because they have the talent to still make it incredibly entertaining. People payed to watch this tournament and he just wasted my money, that is worse than my time. The part where you are wrong is that there was something on the line, public opinion. You think this would be happening if he played a real game and said afterwards that the game didn't matter? Well recently Nestea and Nani have played a few times so its becoming a common thing. Put yourself in his shoes, you just got elminated from a huge tourney and now have to play some game that doesnt change anything. Do you really think you'll be able to put a game together with the best of your ability? Theres no chance of it and if your also worried about 1 game out of a tourney wasting you what 10 bucks theres something wrong there
In order to even reach his level he has to have come to grips with losing in some capacity. I'd hope that I would say "here's a chance for me to beat one of the best players in the world again." Then people would be saying "sure he got eliminated but he showed great games AND beat Nestea." Instead he took his ball and went home and we have this.
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On December 14 2011 02:19 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:09 hiyo_bye wrote:
People care way too much. I thought it wasn't such a big deal you are the minority apparently, because korea and a lot of other people are disgraced. Play the fucking game for the fans. Don't hide in your vagina and cry cause you had poor games. Think of other people other than yourself for a second. PPL wanted to see nestea vs naniwa. not that rubbish.
lol true, hes just a little pussy, he knew that after losing to everyone he would probably lose to nestea too and wanted to save face after talking all that trash to nestea.
The last thing i think that did is save face for him though.
I just always thought he was misunderstood before, with the rakaka road to korea incident, with the complexity incident , with his past teams etc.
Now i know for sure whatsup, diginitas wanted him off the team ASAP so they ditched him, complexity wanted him off the team ASAP so they ditched him (not like he said where it was his choice to leave, another instance where hes lying and trying to save face)
Naniwa has a terrible attitude, and from how i see it now, he is a liar also (it wasnt your choice to leave complexity naniwa get over it, sure after they said they didnt want you im sure you wanted to leave, but that doesnt make it your choice)
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Well, a lot of competitors don't need money as a motivator to win. They have a natural impulse to always compete. That's what makes them better than everyone else.
I guess we just found out what Naniwa's ceiling is.
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naniwa did nothing wrong. Just because he cheesed 5min earlier then normal doesnt make it a worse game or him a worse player.
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On December 14 2011 02:19 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:09 hiyo_bye wrote:
People care way too much. I thought it wasn't such a big deal you are the minority apparently, because korea and a lot of other people are disgraced. Play the fucking game for the fans. Don't hide in your vagina and cry cause you had poor games. Think of other people other than yourself for a second. PPL wanted to see nestea vs naniwa. not that rubbish.
You did see NaNiWa vs NesTea and NesTea won. Players can use whatever strategy they want. They can play however they want and you arent entiteled to anything. Grow up and stop crying.
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On December 14 2011 02:25 careohx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:19 Utinni wrote:On December 14 2011 02:09 hiyo_bye wrote:
People care way too much. I thought it wasn't such a big deal you are the minority apparently, because korea and a lot of other people are disgraced. Play the fucking game for the fans. Don't hide in your vagina and cry cause you had poor games. Think of other people other than yourself for a second. PPL wanted to see nestea vs naniwa. not that rubbish. You did see NaNiWa vs NesTea and NesTea won. Players can use whatever strategy they want. They can play however they want and you arent entiteled to anything. Grow up and stop crying.
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On December 14 2011 01:56 rontol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:51 Samahoj wrote:On December 14 2011 01:50 rontol wrote:
lol..
Nani doesnt seems to see the implication(s) of this
If you think 7 probes rush is okay for you because you have a good reason for it
Doesnt meat its okay for your
1) Sponsor(s) (his new Team obv)
2) Gomtv
3) Fans
sorry it's not fair and professional
at least give some face to your new team
as a fan i couldn't care less, no excitement could come from the game They are hundreds/thousands who are waiting for a good game between these 2 pros How would you know there would be no excitement as the game haven't even evolved yet?
If the players are not in it (and you cant blame him for not being exited..) he can only play like a robot, with nothing on the line how is it supposed to be exiting? Its obviously he CANT play his best after that so its not a good grudge match either..
On December 14 2011 01:45 Executor1 wrote:
So does naniwa probe rush every practice game he plays at home because they dont mean anything? by alot of your logics he should because they arent for money and they dont mean anything. Pro gamers play "meaningless" games by your guys definition of it all day every day thats what they do. He tries hard in every game he plays while hes practicing i bet and they are all meaningless aside from getting practice (obviously important) why could he just have looked at the nestea game as any other practice game.
Its ridiculous to hear all these people say , "it was a meaningless game who cares" why do you watch players streams then? If all those games are meaningless. I understand if you say that you still support nani regardless of this mistake , but to say the game was meaningless so who cares is ridiculous. Thats what progamers do they play "meaningless games" all day to get better, and if they have to play out a tournament for a meaningless game any pro gamer who doesnt have a terrible attitude should beable to look at it as at the very least just another practice game no different then the 100's of practice games they play every week.
I want to see you play a training match after loosing 3 games like this. He was frustrated and sad, just give him a break...
Koreans are such damned hypocrites...
On the topic of throwing games, does anyone remember that mc vs huk game from mlg? Where mc cannon rushed and it was obvious that huk knew the strategy? What were the odds that this would work out?
Id rather have naniwa say that he doesnt want to play then seeing him a half assed obligatory 4 gate / cannon rush...
The guy is (I admit it, probably TOO) passionate and wasnt feeling like playing a showmatch when he wasnt focused and still thinking about the last games because he knew couldnt give it best anyways. But I guess people want to see more "oh im so sorry i will do my best for my fans next time im soo sorry" instead of someone who has a personality and doesnt want to do what he feels he shouldnt do, just to please the internets.. He knew he couldnt show a good match because his mind is still on the other games and so he didnt pretend, thats just honest, nothing else..
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Is this going to kill esports? Hurt GOMTV? No, it was an unprecedented move on a big stage, and it sent the community into a tizzy.
No way any meaningless macro game could have gotten this much attention, its a win for SC2, Gom and eSports. It makes for great discussion.
The only one it hurts is Naniwa, so get off your high horses and enjoy the heated debates on the sanctity of being well-mannered and the importance of "showing good games" :D
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On December 14 2011 02:24 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:17 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 14 2011 02:12 dcsoda wrote:On December 14 2011 02:06 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 14 2011 02:04 dcsoda wrote:
Has he refused to play consolation or 3rd place matches previously? If Naniwa is always about winning why has this not come up before? If not he just lost his temper AGAIN and then came up with some bullshit reason afterwards.
Complain about the format afterwards don't rob the fans of the chance to watch you again. Honeslty as a huge Nani fan the last thing i want to see is him half ass 4 gate or proxy 2 gate a game and waste time out of everyones day in a game with nothing on the line. He didn't rob me of anything, in fact i got a good chuckle out of the whole situation Then don't do some stupid strat and play one more game. How often do we get to see players like Naniwa and Nestea play? I don't care what is on the line because they have the talent to still make it incredibly entertaining. People payed to watch this tournament and he just wasted my money, that is worse than my time. The part where you are wrong is that there was something on the line, public opinion. You think this would be happening if he played a real game and said afterwards that the game didn't matter? Well recently Nestea and Nani have played a few times so its becoming a common thing. Put yourself in his shoes, you just got elminated from a huge tourney and now have to play some game that doesnt change anything. Do you really think you'll be able to put a game together with the best of your ability? Theres no chance of it and if your also worried about 1 game out of a tourney wasting you what 10 bucks theres something wrong there In order to even reach his level he has to have come to grips with losing in some capacity. I'd hope that I would say "here's a chance for me to beat one of the best players in the world again." Then people would be saying "sure he got eliminated but he showed great games AND beat Nestea." Instead he took his ball and went home and we have this.
Of course he does and its something he struggles with but theres a huge difference in losing a game and being eliminated from a tourney. Also if he did beat Nestea in that game there would be tones of people saying it didnt matter because the games were meaningless, kinda like that world tourney GOM had a while ago (the one with no prize money before the actual tourney).
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