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On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point.
Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax.
Is english your second language by any chance?
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On December 14 2011 02:19 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:09 hiyo_bye wrote:
People care way too much. I thought it wasn't such a big deal you are the minority apparently, because korea and a lot of other people are disgraced. Play the fucking game for the fans. Don't hide in your vagina and cry cause you had poor games. Think of other people other than yourself for a second. PPL wanted to see nestea vs naniwa. not that rubbish.
Just wondering if u saw his other games? Wow, lashing out on naniwa like that :O
Maybe u don't know this, but naniwa plays to win tournaments, not for money or fans. He isn't there to please you or me. Some find that bad (like urself) and others find that refreshing (me). The game wouldn't have been "real", it would have been kinda half assed from both players (they aren't gonna fish out their new BO's/Strats etc.) Nani apologised for his behaviour, and I think that's the end of it. As if others never ragequit, GG or play some weird strat cos they don't care (And if u ladder sir, I'm sure u know what I am talking about).
Clean ur mouth with soap!
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I get where he's coming at, I would probably do it myself as well if I was in his position.
Grow big or go home (or however you say it).
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I find it interesting that the entirely of the korean scene does not appear to approve of what Naniwa did while the foreign scene seem to be split. While not outright condoning it, Tyler, Idra and Morrow ( that's all I've seen so far) seem to be of the same mind regarding not making players play pointless matches. There also seems to be a general consensus on the forums that even if they did play neither of them was going to give the epic game we were waiting for ( I still want that game so bad) because they would want to hide their strategies for a match that really mattered. That this has happened before ( with varying degrees of subtlety according to tyler ) with other players and some specific examples given ( which garnered far less outrage ) tells me this is as much about Naniwa as it is about the the principle of the issue.
I'm personally not sure how I feel about the whole situation right now but I will admit that if he'd just gone lol 4gate or canon rush I'd have been fine with that. I think I'm trying to come to terms with the minumum effort required for a match to not be a total waste of time for everyone involved.
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On December 14 2011 02:23 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:47 Goibon wrote:
Sad but true, if he just 4 gates no one bitches. He sped up the process and everyone calls him the devil. People are so willing to accept crap instead of the truth. It's unfortunate.
Chin up Naniwa. You played great those other 3 games. Sadly people are focusing on the one game which didn't matter one bit. So true. Go naniwa :D
Word  Keep fighting nani! Don't listen to the haters 
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On December 14 2011 02:27 AXygnus wrote:
I get where he's coming at, I would probably do it myself as well if I was in his position.
Grow big or go home (or however you say it).
lol most classic thing ive heard all week!! grow big or go home im gonn start saying that now.
it makes sense in its own right.
btw its go big or go home ^^
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On December 14 2011 02:27 AXygnus wrote:
I get where he's coming at, I would probably do it myself as well if I was in his position.
Grow big or go home (or however you say it).
Go Big or Go Home. It has the intention of being 100% committed (being big) or not even try at all (going home)
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On December 14 2011 02:27 AXygnus wrote:
I get where he's coming at, I would probably do it myself as well if I was in his position.
Grow big or go home (or however you say it).
I wouldn't have had the balls to do it frankly.... 9999/10000 people would have chickened out and 4 gated or something else half hearted. Naniwa is all heart and emotion that can't be contained.
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i love naniwa, we need drama, and he delivers
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On December 14 2011 02:27 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point. Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax. Is english your second language by any chance?
I find it amusing that u ask someone else if english is his second language, when u can't spell embarrased Isn't that ironic hehe (And embarassing!)
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On December 14 2011 02:27 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point. Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax. Is english your second language by any chance?
I find it funny that you go around acting like someone acting like a girl is a bad thing. I find it even funnier that you think Nani threw the game. He probe rushed, it's not an amazing all-in but it's still cheese and he lost. Part of me wonders what the outcry would be like if Nani won, or if Nestea 6 pooled. Like i said at this point you're just bitching because you're unhappy that Nani chose to do x cheese instead of y cheese, and then furthermore implying that x cheese was a result of him just throwing the game when him just GG'ing out would have been much quicker.
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On December 14 2011 02:30 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:27 AXygnus wrote:
I get where he's coming at, I would probably do it myself as well if I was in his position.
Grow big or go home (or however you say it). I wouldn't have had the balls to do it frankly.... 9999/10000 people would have chickened out and 4 gated or something else half hearted. Naniwa is all heart and emotion that can't be contained.
What about playing a normal match ?
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On December 14 2011 02:30 KingPwny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:27 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point. Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax. Is english your second language by any chance? I find it amusing that u ask someone else if english is his second language, when u can't spell embarrased Isn't that ironic hehe (And embarassing!)
mispelling because im typing from my bed with a wireless keyboard is alot less emberrassing then having reading comprehension problems imo.
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On December 14 2011 02:30 KingPwny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:27 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point. Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax. Is english your second language by any chance? I find it amusing that u ask someone else if english is his second language, when u can't spell embarrased Isn't that ironic hehe (And embarassing!)
Actually this post just makes you look like a numero uno douche bag.
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On December 14 2011 02:18 Coca Cola Classic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:10 AdreN- wrote:On December 14 2011 02:07 Coca Cola Classic wrote:
The prevailing attitude of those unable to see beyond immediate gain in this thread is alarming. The inability to recognize that other professional leagues have matches that are played with no possibility of going to the championship, yet games are still not handed over to opposing teams is more alarming.
I think you are referring to games where teams are eliminated from playoff contention (NBA, NFL, etc.). I'd have to disagree with you because in those cases the results of the games affect other teams (playoff positioning, draft positioning, etc.) while in this case the game was 100% meaningless and had no effect on other players. yeah, with regards to NBA/NFL and draft picks it does matter. However, I was talking more specifically about professional tournaments where a round robin format is in use. Most notably, UEFA Cup or the World Cup. I would love to see Sweden make it to the World Cup, field a team of 7 players, score an own goal and then say "well we went 0-3 in our group, we no longer had anything to play for."
Well in those cases then the game shouldn't even be played. If a game is played without meaning then it just isn't fun to watch as a spectator (IPL3 "group stage" added $1000 for the winner of the group since the games would have been near meaningless otherwise) so I don't really feel cheated out of anything, personally. I can understand why some people would be upset though.
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On December 14 2011 01:47 FluXxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:46 Ravomat wrote:On December 14 2011 01:45 FluXxxx wrote:
i get the impression that he only plays for money.sad thing. He plays to win. There was nothing he could win anymore. The end. i didn't see that in his game vs nestea
He plays to win and be the best, as he has stated and proved time and again. Winning the game vs nestea is not going to help any of those two as none of them would play to their full ability.
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If he was Zerg, he would have 6pooled. But he's Protoss, and they don't have a all-in you can do that quickly. If a Zerg 6pooled, no one would have bitched. So in a way, it was his race that caused this ruckus.
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On December 14 2011 02:32 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:30 KingPwny wrote:On December 14 2011 02:27 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point. Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax. Is english your second language by any chance? I find it amusing that u ask someone else if english is his second language, when u can't spell embarrased Isn't that ironic hehe (And embarassing!) mispelling because im typing from my bed with a wireless keyboard is alot less emberrassing then having reading comprehension problems imo.
Yes, try making excuses! It will work!
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On December 14 2011 02:31 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:27 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 02:23 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 02:19 Executor1 wrote:On December 14 2011 01:43 dsousa wrote:
I think its reasonable for Nani to not want to reveal his big game plans vs a player like Nestea. The game was basically an exhibition, and Nani chose to reveal nothing.
The controversy brings more attention than any meaningless macro game could....so really its a win for esports.
I love that Nani goes with his heart, despite it being "unprofessional". Okay im pretty sure if that was naniwas reason he would have said so. Its more than likely that its for some emberassing reason. Like i said before, hes a pussy, and after talking shit to nestea and hyping up the game at the press conference he realised how emberassing it would be to lose and just threw the game , robbing nestea of the satisfaction of beating him and saving himself alot of emberassment from losing. If he had actually thought it through though (instead of acting like a child) he would have realised that it would be less emberassing and less of a hassle in the long run to have just played the gaame out. Not to mention he emberassed his team pretty badly, if you look at the posts on their twitter before the match you can see for yourself. All i get from this is that "only real men macro and doing anything besides that makes you a little girl or a kid and it's embarassing to everyone you've ever met". Really that almost 100% sums up your view point. Clearly you dont know how to read then. Where did i say anything about a macro game, he could have cannon rushed for as much as i cared. IT doesnt make him look like a little girl because he probe rushed, it makes him look like a little girl because after talking shit to nestea at the press conference and saying how he already beat him twice and it shouldnt be a problem he gets scared after losing his first 3 games and throws the game because he knows how emberasssing it would be to lose to nestea after talking all that crap and telling nestea to relax. Is english your second language by any chance? I find it funny that you go around acting like someone acting like a girl is a bad thing. I find it even funnier that you think Nani threw the game. He probe rushed, it's not an amazing all-in but it's still cheese and he lost. Part of me wonders what the outcry would be like if Nani won, or if Nestea 6 pooled. Like i said at this point you're just bitching because you're unhappy that Nani chose to do x cheese instead of y cheese, and then furthermore implying that x cheese was a result of him just throwing the game when him just GG'ing out would have been much quicker.
So you actually think that sending 7 probes to a players base and taking your hands off your keyboard is a legitmate strategy? He straight up said he threw the game in the interview, are you having trouble reading again?
If nestea had 6 pooled people would have been dissapointed im sure, but its still a legit strategy, moon 6 pooled Huk in the finals game 5 in dreamhack summer and he almost won with it. Tons of people have won games with 6 pools in tournaments. Show me where a player has won a game with a 7 probe rush in a lan. Oh wait you cant.
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good interview. i love naniwa <3
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