An article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 16

On December 13 2011 23:52 LanTAs wrote:


Or maybe they don't understand the pro player.
Nani can do whatever the fuck he wants, its his spot in the tournament that was earned and his to throw away.

On December 13 2011 23:57 ChimRichalds wrote:
Very immature from Naniwa. How can you have respect for this guy after he acts like a kid throwing a tantrum after losing some games? It's been said before, but just because you cant win the tournament doesn't mean you don't have a responsibility to your sponsors and fans to play your best every game. Shameful.

On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction.

On December 13 2011 23:55 dafunk wrote:


But they still fucking play the game.

On December 13 2011 23:55 snailz wrote:


investors don't care about game's long term sustainability, they care about their exposure to their respective markets via that game (and right now the game is bringing them desired attention, so all is good)

on the other hand if the game itself suffers because short-term spikes like these are negative thing, the investors (sponsors) will just jump to the next game that has their "wanted demographics" (hard to translate this into english for me, sorry)

but the game wont suffer, dont worry. you wouldnt be here right now if it wasnt for Naniwa, discussing starcraft2, its leagues and players, and their sponsors. so it's a good thing, relax.

also for the last paragraph you made: you're not a publicist, nor am i. i also doubt you know any professional publcist, so it's silly for us two to discuss if "no such thing as bad publicity" is a lie ;-) while i agree that there actually is bad kind of publicity, this is definately not it. someone mentioned tiger woods sex scandal, that would be it ;-)

On December 13 2011 23:56 Weemoed wrote:


Well, he's not Korean, and it's an international tournament, so?

On December 13 2011 23:34 Sabersharp wrote:

IF you are from South Korea,you should know that Korean take gaming very seriously and dun tolerate this type of thing even when you are throwing a game that doesn't matter against Nestea.

Koreans emphasize A LOT on professionalism and respect in sc2 and also in their culture.Foreigners may take this and say"meh it was a pointless game so he throwed it away"but Koreans look at differently and say you cant have that.

On December 14 2011 00:02 quancer wrote:


I do know publicists. A very close family friend of mine is one--I wouldn't have suggested what I did otherwise.

Anyway, when I say sponsors I'm talking about the only ones that matter: long-term, major sponsors, with a lot of money invested. What I'm saying is that the kind of sponsors a game needs in order to maintain long-term success are not happy about events that undermine the credibility of the sport they're invested in. Yes, Naniwa's caused a lot of controversy which has riled up you, me, and the community and certainly an increase in activity has occurred, but if this sort of thing keeps up there will not even be a medium left for any kind of nonsense.

I've already written a lot on TL today on this very topic. I'll leave it at this because I no longer have the energy to keep it up. My apologies. If you wish, we can continue in PMs where I can link you to what I've written that pertains to this and so on, and etc.

On December 13 2011 23:57 moonmeh wrote:
To those who are painting us as hating Naniwa as a whole stop it. The Korean community is also divided over matter much like TL and reddit. Most agree what Naniwa did stupid but some people like me think this whole thing is beyond ridiculous. I mean this article is so biased and lacks in objectivity that I can't take it serious. All it does is inflame the community due it's biased words.

FXOChoya

lol I can only laugh that bastard (T/N: probably the mild translation of 새끼) is a pro-gamer

On December 13 2011 23:57 Russano wrote:


^ What tyler said.

You people are absolutely full of shit and massively self entitled. The first and foremost reason ANYONE plays this game, is for themselves. Whether for money, for fun, or for some other reason. I certainly play this game for fun, and nobody, absolutley nobody, is able to force me to play it to "entertain them". I don't care whether you dropped 1,000 dollars bettting on the game, or paid 30 dollars for a vod of it, the game is what is is. Players should always have the right to forfeit their matches. It's absolutley absurd to REQUIRE someone to play an actual match. Now, if you have rules in place to penalize someone for not playing a match, then by all means, go ahead and give him punishment. However, those rules dont' exist, so get off your high horse, he didn't do anything wrong.

I've thrown games on ladder before, I've had at least 20 games, where I was in a bad mood, and saw the 9th protoss in a row, said fuck it, and just left. Somtimes you don't want to play a game for whatever reason, and expecting someone, who is one of the most exclusively competitive players in our community, to play a game he gives no shits about, for YOUR benefit, and when he doesn't you bitch and moan about how slighted you are? How self entitled can you get?


As for the actual game itself. Do you know what my reaction was? I laughed. I thought it was a funny strat to throw out in a throw away game. If it was Huk it might of been a mothership rush, if it was TLO it would of been an 8 Rax. WHo the fuck are you to decided what's a funny acceptable joke strat, and what's not? Just because the weird thing happened at 4 seconds instead of 4 minutes doesn't make it, any less or any more of a joke strat. He did something mildly entertaining instead of playing a match that could of looked like any other shitty 2 base all in. Would you have been happier if it had just been a straight forfeit? Mind you, he probably asked for just that. You're not entitled to an epic Nestea vs Naniwa rivalry game, any more then I was entitled to seeing a cool MVP vs Hero match, that ended up being a stupid 3 rax scv pull.


As many others has mentioned, there have been numerous cases of things like this, whether its the Stephano/bratok, or Stephano/cloud thing, or the Idra IPL3 group stages. People throw matches for various reasonns, and as long as its within the rules and not in some sort of gambling/matchfixing reason, then its perfectly acceptable. Just because you didn't get to watch your shitty starcraft game, doesn't mean punishments should be handed because you feel "disrespected", when you certainly shouldn't even feel that way.

Having said this, I'm in no way a fan of Naniwa, I never have been. I don't like his play and think its one dimensional, and not nearly macro oriented for my taste, and personally I think he's a douche. But this incident has absolutely know bearing on that, and what he did is absolutely acceptable. I do feel a bit bat for Quantic, as they hyped the match 5 minutes before it began, then had to facepalm at the result. But thats between Naniwa and Quantic, it's absolutely none of your spectator business.


This article is blatantly biased, and crowd reactions obviously weren't like that. It's fairly obvious Naniwa and the MVP team never got along in the first place, and is probably another reason why he shifted away from Complexity, so I'm not surprised they are the ones bitching about this. Whereas most of the other reactions seem to....LOL WTF WAS THAT. I don't even know why this article was posted in the first place, which is the fault of thisisgame, and not the translator/OP.

You need to quit blowing up drama just because you think Naniwa is an assclown.