EPTAn article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 17
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
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miwi
Sweden647 Posts
I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272966 | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
For what it's worth, I can kinda understand where Naniwa was coming from. Getting cheesed out of the tournament three times in a row (while in an interview days earlier saying that the Korean teammates never took him seriously) before having an inconsequential match.. Eh. Who cares, right? On the other hand, heck.. Nani could have done a double proxy gate or whatever silly cheese he could come up with. It would have been a proper game and still over in a matter of minutes. The message would be the same, just sans the drama. | ||
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
Conclusion: Naniwa should indeed be "suspended" but not "removed from progamming" and he honestly should apologize to Nestea. How would you feel if you were disrespected on the stage in front on millions? | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Showmatches are showmatches, and having somebody play a showmatch when they probably don't want to will not result in good games. | ||
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Adamcakez
Australia12 Posts
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dre2k
Netherlands215 Posts
On Dec 13 2011 16:08<span style='color:#d20000'> (4 min)</span> miwi wrote: What does this make IdrA? o.O I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272966 Lol that was because he was dead tired, not because he didn't want to play. | ||
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:09 Hakanfrog wrote: I think this was an awful move by Naniwa, obviously Nestea wanted a rematch after MLG. The people at GOM must be pissed about this since it greatly affects their tournament value. the "people at GOM" must be pissed because they chose a flawed tournament format. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
What Nani did is the equivalent of have all your players stand around on the field while the other guys walk the ball in for a touchdown or a goal. It's barely one step above showing up. There are tons of <10 minute all-ins he could've done if he just wanted to show up. He could've used the game as an opportunity to mess with NesTea's mind for the next time they face off. He could've tried something weird and experimental that he doesn't expect to work but thinks might be fun. Hell, he could've Mothership rushed. But probe rushing.... wow. As a professional, more is expected. The kid should really apologize. And this is coming from a guy who love's Nani's blunt interviews. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:08 miwi wrote: What does this make IdrA? o.O I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272966 Given that the entirety of group C (was it C? I don't even remember anymore) did the same thing, it's completely meaningless. I actually think what Naniwa did would be worse, because this was the last impression he could give, whereas the people at the IPL who didn't care about their seeding would obviously all still be playing the following day to actually show their abilities. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8322 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:44 Sated wrote: Does he make most of his money from gaming? Yes. Is he therefore a pro-gamer? Yes. This is moronic. It's like saying that calling Mario Balotelli a pro-footballer is "overrating him" because he does stupid shit. NaNiWa is a pro-gamer whether you like his attitude or not. Being a pro gamer means that you get payed to play the game. If naniwa can't do that then he should not be a pro gamer. That's what they're saying I believe, and I agree with that. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
"During the first GSL Sponsorship League season in 2011, Choya was implicated in a scandal where he paused the matches at the start and asked the opponent to decide the winner by rock-paper-scissors. Due to this ladder abuse, choya apologized and received a warning from GOMTV as well as a ban from the first team league event." -Liquipedia That in my opinion is much worse than what Naniwa did. | ||
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Sabersharp
43 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:12 Bagration wrote: What Naniwa did was disrespectful and unprofessional, but what I find really irritating is FXO Choya's tweet. Choya's hypocrisy is, in my opinion, worse than what Naniwa did, considering: "During the first GSL Sponsorship League season in 2011, Choya was implicated in a scandal where he paused the matches at the start and asked the opponent to decide the winner by rock-paper-scissors. Due to this ladder abuse, choya apologized and received a warning from GOMTV as well as a ban from the first team league event." -Liquipedia That in my opinion is much worse than what Naniwa did. LOL he did get punished for that so why bothered bringing that up adding more drama? | ||
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laggikoN
Sweden213 Posts
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blinken
Canada368 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:15 Sabersharp wrote: LOL he did get punished for that so why bothered bringing that up adding more drama? Can you really not fathom why he brought it up? Really? | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Naniwa was pissed off cuz he went 0-3 and couldn't be arsed to play the last game. Most people wouldn't wanna play it. What's the difference between just giving him the game and some allin, lets say 4-gating when you couldn't care less about winning the game. Right attitude or not, it's Naniwa's attitude. He's not gonna change. What he did wasn't very nice but if he would have done this in another tournament no1 would care at all. edit: And the best part. In my opinion that game should have NEVER been played at all. It's like interviewing the loser when he just got eliminated from a tourney. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
And you want him in a match where he's lost the tournament already, and no prize money whatsoever is at stake? Also what kind of professional player would you be if you played for free? Isn't like the word 'professional' literally that you do it for money? It's his profession. If my employer came up to me and told me that I wouldn't get payed this year, but that I should continue working for him because it's honourable I'd spit in his face. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:08 Conti wrote: On the other hand, heck.. Nani could have done a double proxy gate or whatever silly cheese he could come up with. It would have been a proper game and still over in a matter of minutes. The message would be the same, just sans the drama. Sorry for the self-quote, but (from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294367): Considering the very negative responses from Korean teams, players, and media, do you regret what you did? Would you have done it differently if you could do it again? Naniwa: If I could do it again i would just 4 gate and then people wouldnt have complained (...) Ha.  | ||
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MiraMax
Germany532 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction. Well, all players who participated in this event knew the format as well and should have considered that this might "force" them to play an inconsequential game. The way I see it, the player agrees to play the tournament on the terms of the organizer, so it's simply not up to him to decide that a game should not be played, if the organizer thinks otherwise. It is also not at all about suspension of disbelief. Nobody in their right mind expects the players to reveal their best strategies or give their absolute best in such a situation. Nonetheless they are expected to at least try to put up a fight, if they want to be taken seriously as professionals. Probe rushing like this is just a dick move. Nothing more, nothing less. Let's just call a spade a spade here. | ||
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