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On December 11 2011 05:49 figq wrote:
I'd say he's Code S level (based on how easily he progresses to the top GM of the Korean server in no time, with no prior experience with this server). But even this remains to be proven by actually playing in the GSL and becoming Code S. From there, he needs to win it. From there he needs to win it 4 times, and before MVP/Nestea/MC win 4-5 titles total. From there we can discuss Stephano being the best player in the world. All that's not impossible at all, I'm quite certain he could do it, but he must do it, otherwise all remains in the sphere of theoretical speculations.
Ladder makes him code S even when barely any koreans take it seriously and he lost to boxer and thestc. Okay.
Stephano is really fucking good but people need to stop hyping him up so much it makes sane fans seem dumb.
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On December 11 2011 07:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Stephano had been well-known in the European scene for quite a long time before IPL3. He was perhaps the best known user of ling/infestor mid-game compositions besides Destiny, and was far more successful.
Stop referencing Incontrol's knowledge as some sort of benchmark for a player's success. Many other people in the EU scene knew how good Stephano was far before he won IPL3.
Even though Stephano only practiced 3 hours a day he is extremely analytic of his own play. He gained a lot more out of that time than a player who simply mass ladders to retain his mechanics. It has zero to do with time and everything with approach.
Almost every successful EU SC2 pro and tons of Korean players have roots in WC3, so I don't know where this garbage assertion that "WC3 players suck at SC2" comes from.
In fact, and it's pretty funny, for a very long time, way before he started to play offline event, he was known for his ZvT, for....borrowed baneling in a Muta/ling/baneling build.
It sounds weird now, but it was the Stephano's build one year ago !
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Same rule applies to anyone. That's we base things off more than one tournament and length of period. ^-^
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Why is thread still alive?
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On December 11 2011 07:15 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:14 Cloud9157 wrote:On December 11 2011 07:07 Crushinator wrote:On December 11 2011 06:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Did we forget that Stephano also got raped at DH 2nd group stage?
0-2 Naniwa, 0-2 Sheth (think he got swept) and 1-2 Cloud. Wow, so after your incredibly stupid post suggesting that Stephano need to go to Korea, you now feel the need to point out some tournament he didnt win. Yeah he didn't win every tournament ever, what a noob. Way to go man. Didn't think I would need to bring that up, but yeah, I was dead wrong. Didn't see him going to Korea anywhere. You're completely putting words in my mouth. Talking about Stephano like he is a fucking god because he beat Code A players and beat 1 guy on ladder does not mean he is the best ever. Fanboy much? Amazing that you write that sentence right after 'you're putting words in my mouth'. That is classy as fuck dude, well done.
LOL was not even directed at you.
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On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth.
He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4 UK qualifiers, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean.
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On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean.
Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player
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We'll see soon enough in the Blizzard Cup.
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On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player
There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted.
You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth.
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On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth.
Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off.
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On December 11 2011 07:37 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth. Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off.
No one is fucking trivializing his achievements, they just don't think he's the best in the world, because he isn't, and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Honestly
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I disagree, Stephano SUCKS~!
wtf... Who on earth can say that Stephano ISN'T a brilliant player?
His mechanics are strong, his look on strategy is unique, his understanding of when and with how much his opponents to attack with is second to none, and he has a GODLY hairstyle.
What's not to be "Really Good"?
Though, #1 on Korean ladder just means he's not having good practice otherwise... I mean... He'll have to go through ForGG like 15 times to even get top 20 xDDD
Hmmm now that I think about it... Stephano's only really beaten ONE top Korean Pro... I SlayerSMMA... I mean, StC is great and all, but who considers him top 8 in all Korea?
Eh, "Really Good" is just so vague that I think even talking about it is moot... I mean... you could say just about ANY SC2 Pro was "Really Good" and it'd be almost impossible to argue against...
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On December 11 2011 07:41 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:37 Crushinator wrote:On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth. Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off. No one is fucking trivializing his achievements, they just don't think he's the best in the world, because he isn't, and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Honestly
Yes some people fucking are. And anyone saying otherwise is an idiot.
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Stop saying Stephano only practice 2-3 hours a day.
It's a lie.
He never went to university / med school either.
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On December 11 2011 07:41 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:37 Crushinator wrote:On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth. Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off. No one is fucking trivializing his achievements, they just don't think he's the best in the world, because he isn't, and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Honestly
There are plenty of arguments that have been used to trivialize his achievements.
1) He only did well because people weren't familiar with his style
2) He could hear the announcers at ESWC
3) His wins against MMA were online.
4) He's only beaten A-class Korean players.
etc., etc.
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On December 11 2011 07:43 dafunk wrote:
Stop saying Stephano only practice 2-3 hours a day.
It's a lie.
He never went to university / med school either.
I don't think he ever said he went to med school. Only that he wants to do that after his year of fulltime sc2. But other than that, what do you base you asumption about his practice on? Many people (including himself and players who know him very well) have stated that he only practices 3-4 hours a day.
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On December 11 2011 07:43 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:41 1Eris1 wrote:On December 11 2011 07:37 Crushinator wrote:On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth. Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off. No one is fucking trivializing his achievements, they just don't think he's the best in the world, because he isn't, and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Honestly There are plenty of arguments that have been used to trivialize his achievements. 1) He only did well because people weren't familiar with his style 2) He could hear the announcers at ESWC 3) His wins against MMA were online. 4) He's only beaten A-class Korean players. etc., etc.
It's in response to the people saying he's the best player in the world (see OP before mod edit).
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I am a member of Stephano's fanclub and I gotta say this thread is just plain stupid. B-Net stupid.
Can we close now it plz?
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United States15275 Posts
On December 11 2011 07:43 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:41 1Eris1 wrote:On December 11 2011 07:37 Crushinator wrote:On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth. Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off. No one is fucking trivializing his achievements, they just don't think he's the best in the world, because he isn't, and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Honestly There are plenty of arguments that have been used to trivialize his achievements. 1) He only did well because people weren't familiar with his style 2) He could hear the announcers at ESWC 3) His wins against MMA were online. 4) He's only beaten A-class Korean players. etc., etc.
4 is a perfectly valid reason to trivialize his achievements. If he does not consistently beat the best then he cannot be considered the best. Code A players (not A-class, MKP would be an example of an A-class player) are not the best.
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On December 11 2011 07:43 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:41 1Eris1 wrote:On December 11 2011 07:37 Crushinator wrote:On December 11 2011 07:28 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 07:24 pPingu wrote:On December 11 2011 07:21 Zeborg wrote:On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.
Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth. He did well in IPL3, ESWC, IPL4, and loads of other online tournaments. He currently has more tournament winnings (not including salary) than any other non-korean. Still waiting for the day where tournament winnings will determine the quality of a player There's not one way to objectively quantify player skill bro. Tournament placements, tournament winnings, ladder ranking, consistency, quality of opponents a player has beaten...they're all counted. You also failed to acknowledge that I was responding directly to LXR's post that indicated that he's one of those players that "got lucky in one tournament then dropped off the face of the earth." Obviously, Stephano has one more than one tournament and he has not dropped off the face of the earth. Also, apart from fruitdealer I cant think of a single player that won a major tournament and fell 'off the face of the earth.'. Let alone 3 tournaments. But aparently trivializing peoples achieventment gets some people off. No one is fucking trivializing his achievements, they just don't think he's the best in the world, because he isn't, and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Honestly There are plenty of arguments that have been used to trivialize his achievements. 1) He only did well because people weren't familiar with his style 2) He could hear the announcers at ESWC 3) His wins against MMA were online. 4) He's only beaten A-class Korean players. etc., etc.
3 and 4 are true? Dunno about 1 and 2.
And they were arguing because this thread was originally titled "WHy Stephano is the best player in the world"
This thread should be closed, too many idiots
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