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LXR
Profile Joined June 2011
357 Posts
December 10 2011 21:32 GMT
#321
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.

Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
December 10 2011 21:36 GMT
#322
There should be a certain post requirement before you get thread creation privileges.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 10 2011 21:37 GMT
#323
On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.

Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth.


His work ethic has improved since he moved to Korea. He streamed for 5+ hours a few days ago and laddered after, off stream.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 21:42:29
December 10 2011 21:37 GMT
#324
So he's a really good player because he doesn't practice? Practice hour to success ratio means jack shit. Only thing that matters is how good you actually are, and everything else is just an excuse. He's a good player, but it's not because he's lazy, and that shouldn't be a good thing.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
December 10 2011 21:38 GMT
#325
On December 11 2011 06:32 LXR wrote:
Hmm I don't see him winning any in the blizzard cup seeing as there will be more practice against his style. I have the feeling that he only did well at IPL3 because the korean players had never ever heard of him before and they underestimated him. When competing in the korean environment, where players have more time to prepare for specific matches, I think his lack of work ethic/practice will hurt him even more. Honestly, I don't think he can get out of the first round unless he gets really lucky.

Besides that prediction, looking back to dreamhack and MLG he didn't perform very well, so I can't really understand how he's any better (or special as the OP puts it) than some other players who got lucky one tournament and then dropped off the face of the earth.


He has a brain too, you know? He can do the exact same thing than his opponents. Learn their style, find their failure and beat them. Plz don't forget it.

But i agree to your second point, i can't understand how he's better. I just can see how he could beat them. It's possible and it might appen.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
December 10 2011 21:40 GMT
#326
This should be a blog...

The entire original post is just one guy's opinion and speculation with no real content.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
December 10 2011 21:45 GMT
#327
On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
There is no doubt(in my mind) Stephano is the best player in the world at this moment


There is absolutely zero basis for this statement. Players like MVP and Nestea objectively have far more impressive results than Stephano. You're entitled to your opinions, but let's just say that not all opinions are created equal.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 21:57:21
December 10 2011 21:49 GMT
#328
On December 11 2011 05:54 Kluey wrote:
Stephano is the only one currently playing the game correctly. He has perfect balance between macro and army control. He always flanks with roaches, never a-clicks. His rally points are always with his army so he always attacks with 200/200. He also makes near perfect reads on his opponent.


Stephano is the only one currently playing the game correctly.
Stephano is the only one.
THE ONLY ONE.
Not MVP, not Leenock, not Nestea. Go home all the GSL code S contenders and winners. Go to hell forGG. None of those know how to play the game CORRECTLY.
ONLY STEPHANO DOES!!!!
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
December 10 2011 21:51 GMT
#329
My fav pro in the world. <3
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 10 2011 21:52 GMT
#330
On December 11 2011 06:49 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 05:54 Kluey wrote:
Stephano is the only one currently playing the game correctly. He has perfect balance between macro and army control. He always flanks with roaches, never a-clicks. His rally points are always with his army so he always attacks with 200/200. He also makes near perfect reads on his opponent.


Stephano is the only one currently playing the game correctly.
Stephano is the only one.
THE ONLY ONE.
Not MVP, not Leenock, not Nestea. None of those know how to play the game CORRECTLY.
ONLY STEPHANO DOES!!!!

There is CORRECT WAY to play the game! Understand?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 10 2011 21:52 GMT
#331
On December 11 2011 06:49 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 05:54 Kluey wrote:
Stephano is the only one currently playing the game correctly. He has perfect balance between macro and army control. He always flanks with roaches, never a-clicks. His rally points are always with his army so he always attacks with 200/200. He also makes near perfect reads on his opponent.


Stephano is the only one currently playing the game correctly.
Stephano is the only one.
THE ONLY ONE.
Not MVP, not Leenock, not Nestea. None of those know how to play the game CORRECTLY.
ONLY STEPHANO DOES!!!!

Stream bias. If they saw Nestea or Leenock FPVOD they'd shit their pants.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
December 10 2011 21:52 GMT
#332
Did we forget that Stephano also got raped at DH 2nd group stage?

0-2 Naniwa, 0-2 Sheth (think he got swept) and 1-2 Cloud.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
December 10 2011 22:05 GMT
#333
I don't know about best, or most talented, but Stephano is without doubt the player most in tune with his race that I have ever seen in SC2.

I remember vividly watching some random ladder game of his, spread all over Typhon and facing a pretty decent Terran. At one point, in the midst of all kinds of other goings-on mid-map, he boxed some lings and directed them to an apparently arbitrary spot near his fourth. A few seconds later a medivac heaved to and proceeded to unload marines directly into the maw of the waiting swarm. Somehow he had turned a vulnerabilty of Zerg into a strength, by perfectly anticipating his opponent's attempt to exploit it.

To achieve that kind of depth of understanding on so little practice is, to me, phenomenal. He makes Zerg look effortless.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
December 10 2011 22:07 GMT
#334
On December 11 2011 06:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Did we forget that Stephano also got raped at DH 2nd group stage?

0-2 Naniwa, 0-2 Sheth (think he got swept) and 1-2 Cloud.


Wow, so after your incredibly stupid post suggesting that Stephano need to go to Korea, you now feel the need to point out some tournament he didnt win. Yeah he didn't win every tournament ever, what a noob. Way to go man.

User was warned for this post
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
December 10 2011 22:07 GMT
#335
Aren't 'best player in the world' threads suppose to happen only after the player has recently(1 day) won something? I think OP got tired of sitting on what he wrote and decided to just copy-paste.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:12:51
December 10 2011 22:08 GMT
#336
Stephano had been well-known in the European scene for quite a long time before IPL3. He was perhaps the best known user of ling/infestor mid-game compositions besides Destiny, and was far more successful.

Stop referencing Incontrol's knowledge as some sort of benchmark for a player's success. Many other people in the EU scene knew how good Stephano was far before he won IPL3.

Even though Stephano only practiced 3 hours a day he is extremely analytic of his own play. He gained a lot more out of that time than a player who simply mass ladders to retain his mechanics. It has zero to do with time and everything with approach.

Almost every successful EU SC2 pro and tons of Korean players have roots in WC3, so I don't know where this garbage assertion that "WC3 players suck at SC2" comes from.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45221 Posts
December 10 2011 22:11 GMT
#337
On December 11 2011 07:07 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
Aren't 'best player in the world' threads suppose to happen only after the player has recently(1 day) won something? I think OP got tired of sitting on what he wrote and decided to just copy-paste.


I'm pretty sure they're only supposed to happen when that player is *officially* the best player in the world. Like one about MVP.

In other words, there should have never been one about Stephano.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:16:40
December 10 2011 22:14 GMT
#338
On December 11 2011 07:07 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 06:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Did we forget that Stephano also got raped at DH 2nd group stage?

0-2 Naniwa, 0-2 Sheth (think he got swept) and 1-2 Cloud.


Wow, so after your incredibly stupid post suggesting that Stephano need to go to Korea, you now feel the need to point out some tournament he didnt win. Yeah he didn't win every tournament ever, what a noob. Way to go man.


Didn't think I would need to bring that up, but yeah, I was dead wrong. Didn't see him going to Korea anywhere.

You're completely putting words in my mouth. Talking about Stephano like he is a fucking god because he beat Code A players and beat 1 guy on ladder does not mean he is the best ever. He got DESTROYED. It wasn't even close for him making it out of group stages.


Fanboy much?

I'll edit in that he did in fact beat MMA. Still a bit of controversy around that game I seem to recall though.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:15:43
December 10 2011 22:14 GMT
#339
I pray to god no foreigner + Hero wins the blizzard cup because then there's gonna be so many god damn posts about them being the best player in the world. Too many people seem to have selective memories.
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
December 10 2011 22:15 GMT
#340
On December 11 2011 07:14 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 07:07 Crushinator wrote:
On December 11 2011 06:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Did we forget that Stephano also got raped at DH 2nd group stage?

0-2 Naniwa, 0-2 Sheth (think he got swept) and 1-2 Cloud.


Wow, so after your incredibly stupid post suggesting that Stephano need to go to Korea, you now feel the need to point out some tournament he didnt win. Yeah he didn't win every tournament ever, what a noob. Way to go man.


Didn't think I would need to bring that up, but yeah, I was dead wrong. Didn't see him going to Korea anywhere.

You're completely putting words in my mouth. Talking about Stephano like he is a fucking god because he beat Code A players and beat 1 guy on ladder does not mean he is the best ever.

Fanboy much?


Amazing that you write that sentence right after 'you're putting words in my mouth'. That is classy as fuck dude, well done.
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