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On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much.
Right, Terran can't stick with MMMGV the entire time. Unfortunately the Factory units are even worse in the lategame: Tanks are countered by pretty much everything in the Toss lategamearsenal and Thors get feedbacked. Or how often do you see pros using mech vP?
Also Ladderterrans below GM above low Diamond have it even harder then the pros imo.
I as a Terran am superhappy, that the TLPD winrates, which everyone seems to care about the most for some reason, are not longer in our favor. Now we can finally cry as much as the toss and maybe we get buffed in return :D
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What a crazy shift in PvT lol, pretty happy to see protoss are playing better now
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On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much.
oh stop. Tvp was always hard - there were very few terran players with amazing tvp winrates before all the recent terran nerfs/protoss buffs. And MMM-based stuff is still the only really viable long game build terran has in the match up, so nothing will change in that regard.
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On December 05 2011 20:51 secretary bird wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:36 thezanursic wrote:On December 05 2011 20:30 secretary bird wrote:
They need to reduce bunker build time obviously. This will fix everything. Oh and make Archons better against air and worse against ground. How will that fix anything? I think it will just make TvP even worse if the build time gets increased a lot because the first stalker is deadly without a bunker or it will just force a bunker sooner resulting in delaying the 3rd raxx 1. I wrote reduce not increase. 2. Its a joke because blizzard has some kind of bunker change in 9/10 patches for some reason.
Ohh sorry why would you reduce it. That wouldn't fix anything it would only make TvZ more favored for T
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On December 05 2011 20:51 Greenei wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. Right, Terran can't stick with MMMGV the entire time. Unfortunately the Factory units are even worse in the lategame: Tanks are countered by pretty much everything in the Toss lategamearsenal and Thors get feedbacked. Or how often do you see pros using mech vP? Also Ladderterrans below GM above low Diamond have it even harder then the pros imo. I as a Terran am superhappy, that the TLPD winrates, which everyone seems to care about the most for some reason, are not longer in our favor. Now we can finally cry as much as the toss and maybe we get buffed in return :D
As A terran I'll shout vulgarly at any terran who complains about imbalance if the Win rates don't have atleast a 10% difference for a longer period of time than a month
I think that the best thing to do is leave it as it is and let terrans get better at their ghost use just cuz it's harder to EMP doesn't mean a lot. You can still EMP you just gotta be more precise.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much.
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People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU.
Terran is a hard race.
Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied.
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On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied.
My hero :DDDDD
Came to save the day!!!
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Also Ladderterrans below GM above low Diamond have it even harder then the pros imo.
It doesn't work that way, when I look at my old replays in Diamond, when I lose I lose not because of standard mistakes via engagements--although those tend to happen frequently, I lose because I do the dumbest shit and have the poorest game sense lol...
People seem to take what they see in big tournaments and try to apply it to ladder games, often the games aren't even close to being similar. If you compared one of my PvT's in Masters to a PvT between Hero and Puma it would be like the difference in watching V8 super cars vs two idiots in bumper karts
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+1 I would even tend to say that terran has the most potential but is the hardest arcet o play on high lvl right now
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
ROFL
Patched work no? Look at PvT, that is fkn insane!!!!
Protos vs Zerg 3% climb for Protos in that aswell! Madness!!
Wowzers, Least TvZ seems even ^_^ 1 balanced match up out of 3 not bad
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On December 05 2011 21:03 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied. My hero :DDDDD Came to save the day!!!
:D
Why can't we all just say that we are glad that the game is looking pretty okay right now? If it starts to look like it it protoss favoured in 3 months then we can talk about that.
And why can't we just say that SC2 isn't an easy game and all the races aren't easy?
Glad all the win rates are looking +/-5% to 50% right now.
<------------------------ very happy.
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On December 05 2011 21:08 Surili wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:03 thezanursic wrote:On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied. My hero :DDDDD Came to save the day!!! :D Why can't we all just say that we are glad that the game is looking pretty okay right now? If it starts to look like it it protoss favoured in 3 months then we can talk about that. And why can't we just say that SC2 isn't an easy game and all the races aren't easy? Glad all the win rates are looking +/-5% to 50% right now. <------------------------ very happy.
8%, but yeah I'm pretty happy and that number is probably a little lower with NASL and GSL so yeah I'm happy, but still you gotta admit it's fun to discuss on the forums sometimes xD
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On December 05 2011 21:08 Surili wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:03 thezanursic wrote:On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied. My hero :DDDDD Came to save the day!!! :D Why can't we all just say that we are glad that the game is looking pretty okay right now? If it starts to look like it it protoss favoured in 3 months then we can talk about that. And why can't we just say that SC2 isn't an easy game and all the races aren't easy? Glad all the win rates are looking +/-5% to 50% right now.<------------------------ very happy.
That isnt really new its just that when terran had 53% it was horribly imbalanced according to these threads.
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Why so few (relativly) games this month?
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Australia528 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied.
Terran is by no means an easy race to play (except for mules) but I feel that saying you can't use tier 3 units because of feedback is going a little too far. It's not like archons and HTs don't see any use because of EMP.
I'm still waiting for terrans to start adding in raven+banshee in late game with their excess gas. This combination looks incredibly powerful for a number of reasons. 1. ravens allow sniping of observers. 2. ravens counter both phoenixes and stalkers with PDD. 3. terran already gets ship attack upgrades and they scale super well on banshees. Armour doesn't matter as much thanks to PDD.
While I acknowledge that feedback counters both units, PDD can always be cast pre-emptively, ghosts can take out HTs and as a last resort, banshees can burn energy. In worst case scenario, the feedbacked banshee/raven has most likely prevented a storm. This will of course require immensely difficult micro from the terran but I feel like that's what SC has always been about: beating the metagame by getting better (even if it feels like you have to play better than your opponent).
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Terrans haven't the best winning percentage for the 1rst time in the history of sc2 ! Champagne
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Really balanced stats, I hope blizzard just leaves it as is for the moment and let terrans get more accurate with their ghosts.
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On December 05 2011 21:00 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:51 Greenei wrote:On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. Right, Terran can't stick with MMMGV the entire time. Unfortunately the Factory units are even worse in the lategame: Tanks are countered by pretty much everything in the Toss lategamearsenal and Thors get feedbacked. Or how often do you see pros using mech vP? Also Ladderterrans below GM above low Diamond have it even harder then the pros imo. I as a Terran am superhappy, that the TLPD winrates, which everyone seems to care about the most for some reason, are not longer in our favor. Now we can finally cry as much as the toss and maybe we get buffed in return :D As A terran I'll shout vulgarly at any terran who complains about imbalance if the Win rates don't have atleast a 10% difference for a longer period of time than a month I think that the best thing to do is leave it as it is and let terrans get better at their ghost use just cuz it's harder to EMP doesn't mean a lot. You can still EMP you just gotta be more precise.
Well I think 90% of balancecomplaints aren't actually balancecomplaints but complaints, that race A can do things easier then race B, therefore race A = EZ-race.
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On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 20:38 Plansix wrote:On December 05 2011 20:33 k10forgotten wrote:On December 05 2011 19:52 fraktoasters wrote:
Well PvT changed pretty dramatically. I'm just glad the protoss whining has calmed down a lot because it was at a pretty ridiculous level at one point. I hope you don't mind the Terran whining that's already started. Oh it has begun. There are some amazing threads about "SC2 is like.....hard now". Now that they have to aim their EMPs and can no longer stick on MMMGV for the entire game, we might see them not fly their factory around as much. .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race.Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied.
Well, it's not easier nor harder than Protoss or Zerg. What's your point ?
Some say T is easier because some sloppy plays are not punished as heavily with T as it is with Z or P. No need to take it they say the race is overall easier.
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