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Greenei
Germany1754 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:15 Grimss wrote: Terrans haven't the best winning percentage for the 1rst time in the history of sc2 ! Champagne The second time, yo. Check your facts. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:07 Pandemona wrote: ROFL Patched work no? Look at PvT, that is fkn insane!!!! Protos vs Zerg 3% climb for Protos in that aswell! Madness!! Wowzers, Least TvZ seems even ^_^ 1 balanced match up out of 3 not bad You are being crazy though to think all the matchups will be perfect 50%, because they will never be exactly 50% because each map can't be perfectly balanced, and each patch rocks the races. Immortal timings were already good TvP before the EMP nerf (obviously because they came much earlier) and now with the emp nerf, late pushes like that are ridiculously good. And a 53% balance for Zvp is pretty dam good. -Random player | ||
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secretary bird
447 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:17 MandoRelease wrote: Well, it's not easier nor harder than Protoss or Zerg. What's your point ? Some say T is easier because some sloppy plays are not punished as heavily with T as it is with Z or P. No need to take it they say the race is overall easier. Actually terran is harder to play than Protoss thats a fact. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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Sanchonator
Australia490 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:21 secretary bird wrote: Actually terran is harder to play than Protoss thats a fact. based on blind bias or ? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied. I respect that and understand that terran is hard. I have a less than awesome win rate against them however. It is my worst match up by far and I seem to be able to avoid posting long winded threads about the flaws with my race and why I can't win. I do agree with you that terran teir 3 units are kinda dumb. Blizzard seems to have a hard time balancing the really expensive units. The only two they have made that are worth their cost are the colossi and brood lord. The thor and BC are kinda crap. The thor's only roll seems to be making protoss lose to stupid early all ins. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:37 Silidons wrote: Overall the game is actually pretty balanced obviously, but to me it's just....lacking substance. It's because certain races seem to have large advantages over one another at different points in the game. Like, why in god's name did Blizzard decide to nerf emp during the era of 1/1/1? So now to make up for imbalances in the early game you have a nerf to more standard play to make the numbers look pretty, but now you've got two problems covered by a statistics blanket. Also, certain matchups seem like they'll forever be dumb. TvP will always be bioball vs. deathball, and ZvP will always be about how much damage the protoss opener can do. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I think he would say fact. It is unclear. I would say each race is hard to play. However, the to get the community to accept that your race is the "hardest', you need to post a lot of threads about how horrible and difficult your race is. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:17 MandoRelease wrote: Well, it's not easier nor harder than Protoss or Zerg. What's your point ? Some say T is easier because some sloppy plays are not punished as heavily with T as it is with Z or P. No need to take it they say the race is overall easier. a lot of people are saying that terran is somehow easy (and implying that terran is too good across the board). Even you talking about "sloppy plays" is part of that line of thinking. Terran is punished for "sloppy play" just as hard as every other race. I don't even know see what in the game is supposed to make terran more resilient to "sloppy play." Bunkers? Play sloppily and don't pull workers in time - evaporated bunkers. Tanks? Play sloppily and get caught unsieged/in a bad position -- dead tanks/army. Etc. | ||
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:25 Plansix wrote: I respect that and understand that terran is hard. I have a less than awesome win rate against them however. It is my worst match up by far and I seem to be able to avoid posting long winded threads about the flaws with my race and why I can't win. Maybe you can, others couldnt. Crybabies are everywhere, shouldnt care about them. | ||
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thezanursic
5504 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:15 Grimss wrote: Terrans haven't the best winning percentage for the 1rst time in the history of sc2 ! Champagne That's true, but TvP was the worst for Protoss last month and TvP is the worst for Terran this month, but besides that this is the second biggest difference in this match up this doesn't mean Terran was OP against protoss and that's why their statistics were low this means both terran and ZERG contributed to the low statistics. Soo complaining is bad, but theoreticly terrans should have the right to complain. And Protoss was 0.1% upping Terrans in overall in February trolololol Ohh and last month the protoss were all up in arms on EMP when they were actually doing worse against zerg so another reason why complaining is useless. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:21 secretary bird wrote: Actually terran is harder to play than Protoss thats a fact. edit: ppl can't take a joke | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:32 iamke55 wrote: So hard that you can be the best Terran in the world without knowing any upgrade timings past 1/1? I like how even the mods seem to have a protoss bias on this forum. Are you saying that players like MVP don't upgrade their units past 1/1? | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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Eviscerador
Spain286 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: .... People calling terran easy are honestly all retarded. If you dont want us to stay on MMMGV how about you suggest a single T3 unit that doesnt get countered by feedback? Oh you cant? Ok, then STFU. Terran is a hard race. Anyway, I think TvP looks pretty OK at the moment... It's even a little bit varied. I agree about Terran T3 units being all prone to feedback but it's like me saying that because of ghost snipe I won't be building BL or Ultralisks in the late game. Also ghost counter HT with EMP, so it becomes a micro war. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:32 iamke55 wrote: So hard that you can be the best Terran in the world without knowing any upgrade timings past 1/1? MVP gets upgrades so I have no idea what you're implying. If it's that PuMa is the best Terran in the world, lol. Sadly, this won't stop the balance whine, though it never got completely out of hand so it wasn't justified in the first place. Thanks for the graphs! | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:32 iamke55 wrote: So hard that you can be the best Terran in the world without knowing any upgrade timings past 1/1? I don't understand why you have to make such a biased statement that is not even based on any facts. Please stop contributing to the cesspool of balance whine. | ||
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:28 Quotidian wrote: a lot of people are saying that terran is somehow easy (and implying that terran is too good across the board). Even you talking about "sloppy plays" is part of that line of thinking. Terran is punished for "sloppy play" just as hard as every other race. I don't even know see what in the game is supposed to make terran more resilient to "sloppy play." Bunkers? Play sloppily and don't pull workers in time - evaporated bunkers. Tanks? Play sloppily and get caught unsieged/in a bad position -- dead tanks/army. Etc. I was more thinking around the lines "have army out of position, repair give you enough time to be okay", "just lost a battle, PF is there to prevent ennemy's surviving units to move forward" or "lose an expansion with 30 workers, float your main CC and spam mules" or even "did not anticipate fast cloaked units, can still survive with scans". It's not that Terran's mechanics makes you okay all the time, it's just that you can buy time more easily and you can get an expansion up&running more quickly even after just losing one (when Z & P still have to actually wait for the nexus or hatchery to complete). Like I said, T gets punished, just not as heavily. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
Well maybe. I have a feeling protoss is going to rock the win rates maybe next month barring any crazy changes.. Metagame is still pretty shaky. | ||
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