EPTCoca forfeits Code S due to ESV weekly scandal - Page 86
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Courthead
United States246 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:12 anrimayu wrote: Majority saying they deserve life time ban, with only a handful saying the current punishment is enough. I haven't seen any response saying this was too much. There's so much ugly hatred and threats toward the two involved that it doesn't deserve any translation. Thanks. So we can basically say that the teams decision (Slayers and Prime) wasn't as harsh as the korean comunity wanted. | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:16 Frankon wrote: Thanks. So we can basically say that the teams decision (Slayers and Prime) wasn't as harsh as the korean comunity wanted. Wow what a culture clash, while i agree that what they did was stupid everyone makes mistakes. Ya it deserves some punishment but imo what they where given was a little on the harsh side but i could see how it was warranted. A lifetime ban and hate for this, it not like they had any malicious intentions. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:24 ItsMeDomLee wrote: So is Coca going to be able to play in the Code A tournament? He is forbiden to play in any tournament by coach (or manager or whoever decided it- maybe even Boxer) till they decided he reflected on his decision to throw away that game. To be honest he might also get dropped from code A before he is allowed to play. For example Diamond gave both Coca and Byun a minimum 2 month ban (the ban duration depends on the team's coaches decision). I think realistically we wont see Coca and Byun for at least 2 months in any tournament since their coaches will take ESV ban as a bare minimum. | ||
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Neste
Finland23 Posts
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DaeWin
2 Posts
It is the ESSENCE of match fixing.. I am loosing on purpose, SO that the other guy can win. This act is despicable in all sports, and frowned upon by all types of sport enthusiasts whether football, american football, baseballor boxing. And now it has reared its ugly head in SC2. I have to commend SlayerS for their clean response and I do not think it's too harsh a decision. Both SlayerS and Prime.We have had their brand names smudged by this atrocity. /D | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
People don't understand the severity of certain issues. Stephano's contract situation is a severe issue, since it's a precedent for eSports and strengthening it. Protecting this, aka, saying Coca was wrong, is hurting eSports, because you are essentially removing the human element from the game, and causing robotic interference. At this rate, just fucking ban chat in general. Disgraceful by all parties who concur that Coca acted in a poor fashion. He did nothing to cause me to believe he is not a professional; maybe if he acted like this at a "major lan event", then I would concur. However, as it stands, anybody who dissents seriously needs to re-think what example this is setting, because I can't see anything positive coming from having KeSPA 2.0 essentially. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
if the winner already has a code a/s spot, the spot goes to the 2nd (and so on) this way this would never had happened. | ||
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KingPaddy
1053 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:46 cari-kira wrote: the korean weekly should use a mlg-like system: if the winner already has a code a/s spot, the spot goes to the 2nd (and so on) this way this would never had happened. But there is no Code A spot to win from ESV this month. The only reason this happened for was, that they wanted to play a third game. Which is of cause stupid, espacially how they did it, but it's not malicious. | ||
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
If i was him, I would have probably just continuted to play on my own and stayed in code S. The power the teams in Korea have over players, often even without giving them a contract, is ridiculous. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:45 gulati wrote: This is the Korean Weekly. This isn't an MLG or IPL, sorry to say. The reaction from people trying to white-knight eSports and the internet is wildly perplexing. Calm the fuck down, they are young kids who are jokingly talking in-game. So what if he said lets do another game. Isn't there a reason why the community recognizes "Major Tournaments" versus "Online Tournaments"? People don't understand the severity of certain issues. Stephano's contract situation is a severe issue, since it's a precedent for eSports and strengthening it. Protecting this, aka, saying Coca was wrong, is hurting eSports, because you are essentially removing the human element from the game, and causing robotic interference. At this rate, just fucking ban chat in general. Disgraceful by all parties who concur that Coca acted in a poor fashion. He did nothing to cause me to believe he is not a professional; maybe if he acted like this at a "major lan event", then I would concur. However, as it stands, anybody who dissents seriously needs to re-think what example this is setting, because I can't see anything positive coming from having KeSPA 2.0 essentially. So what's the lower limit on an event? What does it depend on? The prizepool and the viewership? Essentially if it's low enough you can fuck around with its integrity, right? Guess which team is Coca on? Guess what does the founder actually believe in? It's not at all hard to see why Korean netizens want to nail the two of them to a cross already. This is the best possible outcome for Coca, the alternative being him leaving Slayers and joining a foreigner team. | ||
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iamlafore
Japan40 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:50 KingPaddy wrote: But there is no Code A spot to win from ESV this month. The only reason this happened for was, that they wanted to play a third game. Which is of cause stupid, espacially how they did it, but it's not malicious. I think all these outraged people should keep this in mind. Have you never gotten owned by a friend 2-0 and then you just suddenly say "ok make it best of 5/7" or something like that - just 2 friends in a healthy contest, one friend trying to give the other one another shot. I think they should be punished within the realm of the tournament where it happened but punishing Coca's code S status is so fcking far overboard its borderline nazi. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:57 Redox wrote: On what grounds could SlayerS have forced him to forfeit his Code S spot? If i was him, I would have probably just continuted to play on my own and stayed in code S. The power the teams in Korea have over players, often even without giving them a contract, is ridiculous. I think the fact that you don't even read the first sentence of OP is more ridiculous. What part of "SlayersCoca decided to forfeit his spot in GSL code S." don't you get? Don't post in a thread if you're not even gonna bother to read the op. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:45 gulati wrote: This is the Korean Weekly. This isn't an MLG or IPL, sorry to say. The reaction from people trying to white-knight eSports and the internet is wildly perplexing. Calm the fuck down, they are young kids who are jokingly talking in-game. So what if he said lets do another game. Isn't there a reason why the community recognizes "Major Tournaments" versus "Online Tournaments"? For koreans a tournament is a tournament. There are only prestigous and less prestigous ones. A pro player is expected to give his best in a tournament he plays in no matter how small it is. If he doesnt he is not fit to be a pro. Also "jokingly talking in-game"... They didnt just talk. They did exactly what they were talking about. Byon told Coca to leave the game and he left... On November 16 2011 20:57 Redox wrote: On what grounds could SlayerS have forced him to forfeit his Code S spot? If i was him, I would have probably just continuted to play on my own and stayed in code S. The power the teams in Korea have over players, often even without giving them a contract, is ridiculous. Lets imagine you are him. You ignore your team decision and are kicked out of Slayers. No other korean team will take you in. GOM still can pull out Saviour card - banning player from GSL for breaking rules in other league. All is left for you is to get on some western team which could be rather hard. All the big teams have teamed up with other koreans team. Tl-oGs, EG- Slayers and so on.... So what foreign team could afford a code S player (or ex code-S if gom bans him), If he decided to stay in code S despite his team it would be the end of him as a pro-gamer in Korea. | ||
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Zeevo
148 Posts
From the looks of it, I'd say he hardly even knew there were such extreme punishments for leaving a game. | ||
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scruffeh
England196 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:03 iamlafore wrote: I think all these outraged people should keep this in mind. Have you never gotten owned by a friend 2-0 and then you just suddenly say "ok make it best of 5/7" or something like that - just 2 friends in a healthy contest, one friend trying to give the other one another shot. I think they should be punished within the realm of the tournament where it happened but punishing Coca's code S status is so fcking far overboard its borderline nazi. Dude, the Nazis killed thousands of people. Exaggeration or not, that's a stupid thing to say. | ||
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KingPaddy
1053 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:00 Oktyabr wrote: So what's the lower limit on an event? What does it depend on? The prizepool and the viewership? Essentially if it's low enough you can fuck around with its integrity, right? Guess which team is Coca on? Guess what does the founder actually believe in? It's not at all hard to see why Korean netizens want to nail the two of them to a cross already. This is the best possible outcome for Coca, the alternative being him leaving Slayers and joining a foreigner team. There are so many no shows in the first rounds of the ESVs. Isn't that "fucking around with the integrity" as well? Just look at all the smallish weekly online tournaments. If anybody, who "fucked around with the integrity" of them (like playing in more than one at the same time and therefore delaying the whole tournament, leaving the tournament in the middle of it without a reason, disrespecting the tournament by not respecting the players or even insult them on air etc), was punished in this way, a big percentage of all the players were banned. I mean a punishment is okay, but just randomly starting this at one incident with such a harsh one seems strange to me. I guess all the other players, who don't show up to the next ESV although they agreed to, will not be punished at all. So I don't really see the argument. | ||
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