[October] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 16

It doesn't help the scene if 90% of your players are cheering against 1/3 of your pros

On November 07 2011 05:23 coolcor wrote:


Did anybody complain about the scale back when it was just a line graph and not a bar graph? I think that is what makes people feel like it is misleading because a lot of the height of the bar has been cut off even though they show the same points as the line graph.

He made one with the full scale for Korea last month would you really prefer this it just wastes a bunch of space from 0-40 and 60-100 with no information making the interesting part smaller and harder to read.

http://i.imgur.com/dNKqa.png

On November 07 2011 10:35 coolcor wrote:


Why not they can be the evil overpowered race fans like cheering for their favourites to conquer! I'll be fun.

Besides wasn't protoss strong in low level broodwar play did 90% hate bw protoss players and was this a big problem for making broodwar esports popular?

On November 07 2011 09:57 aksfjh wrote:

From today:

From July 17:


Terran population is slowly declining. Not sure which SC2ranks site you're looking at, but if you think he's wrong, it's not the right one.

On November 07 2011 11:01 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
I like the jump from october 2010 to november 2010 for PvT, was that when the 1/1/1 got big or what happened there?

On November 07 2011 10:46 Plansix wrote:


None of that should have much effect on the stats. The graphs posted by the OP are for win-rates, so fewer players only means fewer games of that specific match up. That would have a limited/no effect of the win-rates, since the sample size is so large(over 25K games). Even if the were 10% less terrans that the other two races, that's still THOUSANDS of games. And none of those graphs show a difference of anything lose to that.

Also, random is included in those stats. 1/3 of those games are terran games.

Why do Terrans bring this up every month:

"Look, I know the stats say we are winning every match up. That looks like an issue, but its a lie. We are doing the worst on the ladder because we have fewer players. I know that does sound logical, but think about it. We are beating fewer protoss and zergs that we did last month. That means our number of total wins are declining, so we ARE doing worse. So just ignore those stats, they don't show the true story. They are only numbers."

On November 07 2011 11:05 Bro_Stone wrote:


Think KA removal?

On November 07 2011 04:31 andis35 wrote:


infestor broodlord

On November 07 2011 11:44 Bippzy wrote:

Yeah pretty much neural parasite wasnt used so it aint much of a nerf

Toss does need a little something extra, im hopin those cheaper upgrades will make toss better

On November 07 2011 09:25 thane wrote:
All that these graphs do is make me depressed because I cant beat protoss to save my life :S

On November 07 2011 11:07 aksfjh wrote:

We're not talking about Terran ladder numbers affecting number of games played or winrates at pro level. We talk about ladder populations as an indicator of possible imbalance beyond the pro level. When you take into account a dwindling Terran population and lack of success outside of Korea, it paints a very different picture than the one most people portray on various SC2 communities. What's more, the complaints registered against Terrans generally come from non-pro players, in the plat-masters range anyways. Thus, detailed discussions often end up being tailored towards complaining about Terran strengths and possible nerfs at lower levels of play, that would affect already dwindling populations. It's not often that level-headed people enter a discussion about the TvX matchup suggesting a 5s rax buildtime nerf. Instead, it's usually along the lines of, "Marines should only have 4 range!" "MULEs should have a long cooldown!" "EMP should be a single target ability!"

All these stats about lower level play are just trying to bring perspective to the numbers. That perspective is, "Outside the EXTREME top of the playerbase, Terrans have a hard time." It's more of a call to rational discussion than anything else.

On November 07 2011 10:08 doko100 wrote:
You can hate on pro terrans all you want, but this hate towards master- terrans has to stop, it's irrational since terran already is underrepresented in Masters League (and in the lower leagues down to silver) and have the least average points. protoss player or even zerg players at that level of play have absolutely no right to complain about terran. pro imbalance doesn't affect them at all. We are the one's struggling at master, they are not.

On November 07 2011 12:50 Kuja wrote:
Seems about right, all i run into in my masters ladder is Zerg, but thankfully my PvZ is great. Despite what the graph might lead you to believe, i almost never run into terrans.