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^-TBH i think the few weeks leading up to his big wins and even now Stephano would be Harper, Nerchio needs to improve his ZvT imo and stop relying on his sick ZvZ
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On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend?  Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition.
Maybe no players who aren't being sponsored, but there are so many players I rarely see at tournaments who are so much better than others who are being flown in all the time but not nearly as good.
There are only few teams who fly their players to seemingly every tournament available - EG, Liquid, dignitas, maybe complexity and to a lesser extent Fnatic. Mousesports seems more Europe centered.
If a player is not on one of those teams, he'll go to a few European events like Dreamhack or Assembly if invited/qualified, but MLG or IPL 3 is out of reach.
There are so many players out there, don't tell me you know them all and are able to judge them all correctly. I wouldn't dare to state such a thing, there may as well be players out there who could make you put your foot in your mouth.
On November 05 2011 05:38 PirateEd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? [...] Nerchio hasn't proven anything except he can win small tournaments with lackluster player pools.[...]
That's one thing I don't like, though, this sounds sooo condescending. Actually Nerchio has won so many tournaments with players in them who you'd consider favourites for any tournament that doesn't include Koreans. And he didn't avoid these guys, he beat them - convincingly.
Sure, he wins so many that the player pools are not always stacked, but if you consider IdrA's win at IPL 1 big (where the games were also online) then Nerchio has won tournaments with a much, much higher skill level player-wise.
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On November 05 2011 05:44 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
^-TBH i think the few weeks leading up to his big wins and even now Stephano would be Harper, Nerchio needs to improve his ZvT imo and stop relying on his sick ZvZ
I gave Nerchio the benefit of the doubt so I wouldn't hear any whining about Nerchio is better than so and so. Only people at Bryce Harper level should be like BW A teamers that transition into SC2. If we're just talking about just foreigners then obviously Idra should be someone with a more prestigous career than Ortiz such as Arod.
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nice interview. good to see Idra being positive. very positive by his standards 
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Sheesh you're pretty, good interview too. It's always nice to hear Idra's thoughts on the Korean>foreigner>metagame stuff because he's been in the thick of it for so long.
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Thanks for the interview. I especially liked your last question and Idras response to it: It shows that getting a grip and hanging in there can pay off.
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On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for
Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters.
Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever.
If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say:
"if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies"
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Interesting to see idra have the impression that Stephano is over rated. I watch his stream and I wonder how the guy can lose. Extremely smart player.
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Idra is right. Nerchio hasn´t won anything in a long time.
Greetings.
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im a die hard idra fan but i dont know whom i like more in this interview
foxy ♥
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On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies"
that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket?
I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American?
Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga.
Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio?
He's a level below those people
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On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies" that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket? I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American? Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga. Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio? He's a level below those people
There are enough other good players in Europe that dont go to all these tournaments MLGs, it seems to be very team dependent.
Because Nerchio hasnt played in so many tournaments yet it is hard to say that he is better than someone like IdrA or any other NA player. But stating that he is a level below those players is just straight out wrong.
Why do you say such a thing when you have obviously no idea about the skill of these players? And if I may say so probably no idea about the European scene?
On a side note, Nerchio is in school and doesnt attempt as many lans because he cant miss school. He wasnt even sure if he would be able to play at DH.
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We need a Foxy-Fanclub!
NOW! :D
Gr8 Interview!
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Why would you say I don't know anything about the euro scene?
How can you compare the skill of someone who is still spending part of his on his studies and someone who is spending all of their time on SC2?
Nerchio is a great player. But hes no idra
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On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies" that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket? I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American? Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga. Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio? He's a level below those people Thorzain only went to one MLG and disliked the experience to the point where he would not return to any MLG unless seeded (he said so in his fan club here on TL).
Naniwa only goes to MLG when he needs a code A spot (inference from his participation - not an official statement from him).
Stephano literally shat on MLG on F! Slasher and said there was zero chance he would attend Providence, despite Slasher's attempts at extracting something nice from him on the subject.
White-Ra was extremely unhappy with the first MLG where he participated and got disqualified. There is every reason to believe that he would not have participated in Orlando without the Red Bull LAN and IPL3 that justified coming to the USA anyways.
Do I need to go on ? Top tier European players don't participate in MLGs because the format and organization is terrible for them. Whether Nerchio is overrated or not is debatable, but taking MLG participation as a measure of anything simply makes no sense.
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On November 05 2011 07:47 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:
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why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met"
nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies" that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket? I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American? Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga. Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio? He's a level below those people Thorzain only went to one MLG and disliked the experience to the point where he would not return to any MLG unless seeded (he said so in his fan club here on TL). Naniwa only goes to MLG when he needs a code A spot (inference from his participation - not an official statement from him). Stephano literally shat on MLG on F! Slasher and said there was zero chance he would attend Providence, despite Slasher's attempts at extracting something nice from him on the subject. White-Ra was extremely unhappy with the first MLG where he participated and got disqualified. There is every reason to believe that he would not have participated in Orlando without the Red Bull LAN and IPL3 that justified coming to the USA anyways. Do I need to go on ? Top tier European players don't participate in MLGs because the format and organization is terrible for them. Whether Nerchio is overrated or not is debatable, but taking MLG participation as a measure of anything simply makes no sense.
I'm going to disregard everything else in your post, but MLG organization is definitely not terrible, but in fact pretty much only GSL is ahead of it. Depending on the prize pool next year, it's likely we'll be seeing more top tier europeans, but unlikely nerchio
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On November 05 2011 07:54 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 07:47 Apom wrote:On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:
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You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met
because you want the information to favor your stance
What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games?
obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies" that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket? I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American? Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga. Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio? He's a level below those people Thorzain only went to one MLG and disliked the experience to the point where he would not return to any MLG unless seeded (he said so in his fan club here on TL). Naniwa only goes to MLG when he needs a code A spot (inference from his participation - not an official statement from him). Stephano literally shat on MLG on F! Slasher and said there was zero chance he would attend Providence, despite Slasher's attempts at extracting something nice from him on the subject. White-Ra was extremely unhappy with the first MLG where he participated and got disqualified. There is every reason to believe that he would not have participated in Orlando without the Red Bull LAN and IPL3 that justified coming to the USA anyways. Do I need to go on ? Top tier European players don't participate in MLGs because the format and organization is terrible for them. Whether Nerchio is overrated or not is debatable, but taking MLG participation as a measure of anything simply makes no sense. I'm going to disregard everything else in your post, but MLG organization is definitely not terrible, but in fact pretty much only GSL is ahead of it. Depending on the prize pool next year, it's likely we'll be seeing more top tier europeans, but unlikely nerchio
Well that's not what Thorzain said. But hey, maybe you know better than him ?
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On November 05 2011 07:56 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 07:54 syllogism wrote:On November 05 2011 07:47 Apom wrote:On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:[quote] obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies" that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket? I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American? Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga. Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio? He's a level below those people Thorzain only went to one MLG and disliked the experience to the point where he would not return to any MLG unless seeded (he said so in his fan club here on TL). Naniwa only goes to MLG when he needs a code A spot (inference from his participation - not an official statement from him). Stephano literally shat on MLG on F! Slasher and said there was zero chance he would attend Providence, despite Slasher's attempts at extracting something nice from him on the subject. White-Ra was extremely unhappy with the first MLG where he participated and got disqualified. There is every reason to believe that he would not have participated in Orlando without the Red Bull LAN and IPL3 that justified coming to the USA anyways. Do I need to go on ? Top tier European players don't participate in MLGs because the format and organization is terrible for them. Whether Nerchio is overrated or not is debatable, but taking MLG participation as a measure of anything simply makes no sense. I'm going to disregard everything else in your post, but MLG organization is definitely not terrible, but in fact pretty much only GSL is ahead of it. Depending on the prize pool next year, it's likely we'll be seeing more top tier europeans, but unlikely nerchio Well that's not what Thorzain said. But hey, maybe you know better than him ?
They are changing format as well, though I don't think the details are known yet. I'm not particularly interested in Thorzain's opinion, as Mouz is likely, or hopefully, making these decisions for him. But then again he threw a tantrum when they wanted him to stay in korea for an additional month and compete in code A again, so who knows
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On November 05 2011 07:58 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 07:56 Apom wrote:On November 05 2011 07:54 syllogism wrote:On November 05 2011 07:47 Apom wrote:On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:
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Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more. if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition. Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters. Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever. If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say: "if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies" that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket? I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American? Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga. Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio? He's a level below those people Thorzain only went to one MLG and disliked the experience to the point where he would not return to any MLG unless seeded (he said so in his fan club here on TL). Naniwa only goes to MLG when he needs a code A spot (inference from his participation - not an official statement from him). Stephano literally shat on MLG on F! Slasher and said there was zero chance he would attend Providence, despite Slasher's attempts at extracting something nice from him on the subject. White-Ra was extremely unhappy with the first MLG where he participated and got disqualified. There is every reason to believe that he would not have participated in Orlando without the Red Bull LAN and IPL3 that justified coming to the USA anyways. Do I need to go on ? Top tier European players don't participate in MLGs because the format and organization is terrible for them. Whether Nerchio is overrated or not is debatable, but taking MLG participation as a measure of anything simply makes no sense. I'm going to disregard everything else in your post, but MLG organization is definitely not terrible, but in fact pretty much only GSL is ahead of it. Depending on the prize pool next year, it's likely we'll be seeing more top tier europeans, but unlikely nerchio Well that's not what Thorzain said. But hey, maybe you know better than him ? They are changing format as well, though I don't think the details are known yet. I'm not particularly interested in Thorzain's opinion, as Mouz is likely, or hopefully, making these decisions for him. But then again he threw a tantrum when they wanted him to stay in korea for an additional month and compete in code A again, so who knows
I agree that MLG is a great orginisation. The tournament itself is just bad imo. And you already gave the two most imortant reasons why I feel the tournament is bad.
Edit: Bad for the Europeans I mean, but probably for pretty much every non seeded player.
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