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On November 04 2011 17:16 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:12 Phobbers wrote:On November 04 2011 16:15 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 15:38 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 15:13 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 08:54 arfyron wrote:On November 04 2011 08:39 Elean wrote:
About the overated players question, all you need to understand is that Idra is a competitor and he gave the name of 3 player he consider as rival, that's all.
Stephano is currently rated above Idra, so it's perfectly normal that Idra says Stephano is overated. He is not being BM or meaning that Stephano is bad, but as a competitor you have to believe the other guy is not better than you.
Same with Nerchio and Kiwikaki, you can tell their is a huge rivalry. I don't think nerchio or kiwikaki is considered above idra by anyone. well nerchio is considered above idra by me for example. don't make assumptions just because you're gay for idra i think he meant anyone that knows what they're talking about powerful arguments you got there want some fun facts? nerchio vs idra: 4-0 nerchio is 7-5 vs thorzain, idra is 2-2 idra is 0-4 vs huk last times they met, nerchio is 2-0 vs huk at around the same time idra is 5-8 vs morrow, nerchio is 10-2 idra is 0-2 vs sase, nerchio is 2-0 so has idra got the bigger accomplishments? yeah is he clearly above nerchio in skill? hell no people like you are 100% unable to make an even slightly objective judgement Player X and player Y have both played player Z, X has won 80% of his games against Z, Y has won 66% of his games against Z, does this mean X>Y? No, in no fucking way does it mean that. I'm ridiculously tired of statements like that. There are so many variables and factors one has to take between X vs Z and Y vs Z where you can not say anything like that. Let us put it this way, you know Polt? That guy who won the super tournament and all? The guy who many said had no chance against MMA, who at that time was viewed as a TvT specialist? Well he beat MMA in a 4-0 fashion. Just recently MMA beat MVP in a 4-1 fashion. Well, there is our X, Y, and Z. Are you going to boldly hold your ground and say Polt is better than MVP? I doubt it. It's people like YOU that are unable to make a non-idiotic statement. i didn't say anywhere that the facts i stated actually PROVE something. but they represent something. an INFORMATION is a better argument than NO INFORMATION AT ALL. is this clear to you? i'm not convinced they represent enough for me to doubt that Idra > Nerchio. i even said i'm not 100% convinced, but i have my opinion. you don't have any arguments or reason at all, you're just angry cuz someone doesn't think idra is the best. extreme fanboy bias is not a good tool to use in an argument where your opponent is not braindead. it might be good enough on these forums though.
You're literally the one with the bias against him
None of use have shown any fucking bias at all
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pretty girl doing a great interview with a great player! great interview I love it 
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On November 04 2011 17:17 pbjsandwich wrote:
You're literally the one with the bias against him
None of use have shown any fucking bias at all
so your definition of bias is "if someone doesn't think idra's better than the guy who beat him 4-0 and has better winrates/score than him"
nice! that is just like that in the english dictionary!
on the other hand, you still didn't have one single argument. you might be a visionary. things are clear to you without proof.
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On November 04 2011 16:29 pbjsandwich wrote:
LOL
the only series you have there that is atleast a bo7 for both players is vs morrow and idra lose what? 3 or 4 games of that bc of 5 rax reaper?
random bo3s here and there vs players isn't doesn't determine the skill of a player.
If nerchio is as good as you say he is why isn't he going to the big tournies? Why isn't he going up against the koreans on a regular basis like Idra?
Nerchio can't be compared to idra until he is consistently playing the competition that idra is
he is polish, so, obviously he is going to be biased towards nerchio
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On November 04 2011 17:16 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:12 Phobbers wrote:On November 04 2011 16:15 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 15:38 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 15:13 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 08:54 arfyron wrote:On November 04 2011 08:39 Elean wrote:
About the overated players question, all you need to understand is that Idra is a competitor and he gave the name of 3 player he consider as rival, that's all.
Stephano is currently rated above Idra, so it's perfectly normal that Idra says Stephano is overated. He is not being BM or meaning that Stephano is bad, but as a competitor you have to believe the other guy is not better than you.
Same with Nerchio and Kiwikaki, you can tell their is a huge rivalry. I don't think nerchio or kiwikaki is considered above idra by anyone. well nerchio is considered above idra by me for example. don't make assumptions just because you're gay for idra i think he meant anyone that knows what they're talking about powerful arguments you got there want some fun facts? nerchio vs idra: 4-0 nerchio is 7-5 vs thorzain, idra is 2-2 idra is 0-4 vs huk last times they met, nerchio is 2-0 vs huk at around the same time idra is 5-8 vs morrow, nerchio is 10-2 idra is 0-2 vs sase, nerchio is 2-0 so has idra got the bigger accomplishments? yeah is he clearly above nerchio in skill? hell no people like you are 100% unable to make an even slightly objective judgement Player X and player Y have both played player Z, X has won 80% of his games against Z, Y has won 66% of his games against Z, does this mean X>Y? No, in no fucking way does it mean that. I'm ridiculously tired of statements like that. There are so many variables and factors one has to take between X vs Z and Y vs Z where you can not say anything like that. Let us put it this way, you know Polt? That guy who won the super tournament and all? The guy who many said had no chance against MMA, who at that time was viewed as a TvT specialist? Well he beat MMA in a 4-0 fashion. Just recently MMA beat MVP in a 4-1 fashion. Well, there is our X, Y, and Z. Are you going to boldly hold your ground and say Polt is better than MVP? I doubt it. It's people like YOU that are unable to make a non-idiotic statement. i didn't say anywhere that the facts i stated actually PROVE something. but they represent something. an INFORMATION is a better argument than NO INFORMATION AT ALL. is this clear to you? i'm not convinced they represent enough for me to doubt that Idra > Nerchio. i even said i'm not 100% convinced, but i have my opinion. you don't have any arguments or reason at all, you're just angry cuz someone doesn't think idra is the best. extreme fanboy bias is not a good tool to use in an argument where your opponent is not braindead. it might be good enough on these forums though.
Your information is worthless especially when the games were from a long time ago? So instead of calling IdrA fans "gay" why don't you go post somewhere else. Nobody wants you here.
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On November 04 2011 17:20 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:17 pbjsandwich wrote:
You're literally the one with the bias against him
None of use have shown any fucking bias at all so your definition of bias is "if someone doesn't think idra's better than the guy who beat him 4-0 and has better winrates/score than him" nice! that is just like that in the english dictionary! on the other hand, you still didn't have one single argument. you might be a visionary. things are clear to you without proof.
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did you forget that you called someone "gay for idra" ?
is there a reason why this guy isn't suspended yet?
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On November 04 2011 17:21 Jaxtyk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:16 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:12 Phobbers wrote:On November 04 2011 16:15 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 15:38 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 15:13 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 08:54 arfyron wrote:On November 04 2011 08:39 Elean wrote:
About the overated players question, all you need to understand is that Idra is a competitor and he gave the name of 3 player he consider as rival, that's all.
Stephano is currently rated above Idra, so it's perfectly normal that Idra says Stephano is overated. He is not being BM or meaning that Stephano is bad, but as a competitor you have to believe the other guy is not better than you.
Same with Nerchio and Kiwikaki, you can tell their is a huge rivalry. I don't think nerchio or kiwikaki is considered above idra by anyone. well nerchio is considered above idra by me for example. don't make assumptions just because you're gay for idra i think he meant anyone that knows what they're talking about powerful arguments you got there want some fun facts? nerchio vs idra: 4-0 nerchio is 7-5 vs thorzain, idra is 2-2 idra is 0-4 vs huk last times they met, nerchio is 2-0 vs huk at around the same time idra is 5-8 vs morrow, nerchio is 10-2 idra is 0-2 vs sase, nerchio is 2-0 so has idra got the bigger accomplishments? yeah is he clearly above nerchio in skill? hell no people like you are 100% unable to make an even slightly objective judgement Player X and player Y have both played player Z, X has won 80% of his games against Z, Y has won 66% of his games against Z, does this mean X>Y? No, in no fucking way does it mean that. I'm ridiculously tired of statements like that. There are so many variables and factors one has to take between X vs Z and Y vs Z where you can not say anything like that. Let us put it this way, you know Polt? That guy who won the super tournament and all? The guy who many said had no chance against MMA, who at that time was viewed as a TvT specialist? Well he beat MMA in a 4-0 fashion. Just recently MMA beat MVP in a 4-1 fashion. Well, there is our X, Y, and Z. Are you going to boldly hold your ground and say Polt is better than MVP? I doubt it. It's people like YOU that are unable to make a non-idiotic statement. i didn't say anywhere that the facts i stated actually PROVE something. but they represent something. an INFORMATION is a better argument than NO INFORMATION AT ALL. is this clear to you? i'm not convinced they represent enough for me to doubt that Idra > Nerchio. i even said i'm not 100% convinced, but i have my opinion. you don't have any arguments or reason at all, you're just angry cuz someone doesn't think idra is the best. extreme fanboy bias is not a good tool to use in an argument where your opponent is not braindead. it might be good enough on these forums though. Your information is worthless especially when the games were from a long time ago? So instead of calling IdrA fans "gay" why don't you go post somewhere else. Nobody wants you here.
you don't tell me where i go, and besides the morrow games it wasn't from a long time ago. also i didn't "call idra fans gay"
you don't have anything meaningful to say, and what you actually say is plainly not true. congratz!
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On November 04 2011 17:23 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:20 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:17 pbjsandwich wrote:
You're literally the one with the bias against him
None of use have shown any fucking bias at all so your definition of bias is "if someone doesn't think idra's better than the guy who beat him 4-0 and has better winrates/score than him" nice! that is just like that in the english dictionary! on the other hand, you still didn't have one single argument. you might be a visionary. things are clear to you without proof. ..... did you forget that you called someone "gay for idra" ? is there a reason why this guy isn't suspended yet?
"gay for idra" = a phrase, it means that someone is fond of something. glad that i could educate you
also, i'm not polish, never been to poland, lol.
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this is literally how this guy amuses himself
trolling people on the internet
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On November 04 2011 17:23 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:21 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:16 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:12 Phobbers wrote:On November 04 2011 16:15 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 15:38 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 15:13 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 08:54 arfyron wrote:On November 04 2011 08:39 Elean wrote:
About the overated players question, all you need to understand is that Idra is a competitor and he gave the name of 3 player he consider as rival, that's all.
Stephano is currently rated above Idra, so it's perfectly normal that Idra says Stephano is overated. He is not being BM or meaning that Stephano is bad, but as a competitor you have to believe the other guy is not better than you.
Same with Nerchio and Kiwikaki, you can tell their is a huge rivalry. I don't think nerchio or kiwikaki is considered above idra by anyone. well nerchio is considered above idra by me for example. don't make assumptions just because you're gay for idra i think he meant anyone that knows what they're talking about powerful arguments you got there want some fun facts? nerchio vs idra: 4-0 nerchio is 7-5 vs thorzain, idra is 2-2 idra is 0-4 vs huk last times they met, nerchio is 2-0 vs huk at around the same time idra is 5-8 vs morrow, nerchio is 10-2 idra is 0-2 vs sase, nerchio is 2-0 so has idra got the bigger accomplishments? yeah is he clearly above nerchio in skill? hell no people like you are 100% unable to make an even slightly objective judgement Player X and player Y have both played player Z, X has won 80% of his games against Z, Y has won 66% of his games against Z, does this mean X>Y? No, in no fucking way does it mean that. I'm ridiculously tired of statements like that. There are so many variables and factors one has to take between X vs Z and Y vs Z where you can not say anything like that. Let us put it this way, you know Polt? That guy who won the super tournament and all? The guy who many said had no chance against MMA, who at that time was viewed as a TvT specialist? Well he beat MMA in a 4-0 fashion. Just recently MMA beat MVP in a 4-1 fashion. Well, there is our X, Y, and Z. Are you going to boldly hold your ground and say Polt is better than MVP? I doubt it. It's people like YOU that are unable to make a non-idiotic statement. i didn't say anywhere that the facts i stated actually PROVE something. but they represent something. an INFORMATION is a better argument than NO INFORMATION AT ALL. is this clear to you? i'm not convinced they represent enough for me to doubt that Idra > Nerchio. i even said i'm not 100% convinced, but i have my opinion. you don't have any arguments or reason at all, you're just angry cuz someone doesn't think idra is the best. extreme fanboy bias is not a good tool to use in an argument where your opponent is not braindead. it might be good enough on these forums though. Your information is worthless especially when the games were from a long time ago? So instead of calling IdrA fans "gay" why don't you go post somewhere else. Nobody wants you here. you don't tell me where i go, and besides the morrow games it wasn't from a long time ago. also i didn't "call idra fans gay" you don't have anything meaningful to say, and what you actually say is plainly not true. congratz!
So tell me then, what does "gay for IdrA" mean exactly?
EDIT: This guy is clearly trolling. Maybe the Mods will make you move.
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On November 04 2011 17:25 pbjsandwich wrote:
this is literally how this guy amuses himself
trolling people on the internet
while i agree that this is amusing, i made points while your only point is "FUK U IDRA IZ THE MOST AWSUM!!!!!"
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Your points were "Nerchio and Morrow are better than IdrA because I posted old information and it's true".
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it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias?
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On November 04 2011 17:29 Jaxtyk wrote:
Your points were "Nerchio and Morrow are better than IdrA because I posted old information and it's true".
no, however i can make a point now which is you're unable to read and comprehend
i stated some times that i am not 100% convinced that nerchio is better, but i have my opinion, which is that nerchio could be more skilled. if this makes you angry, and makes you think i'm trolling, then i don't have anything to say about your intelligence that is not insulting
the other guy just doesn't seem to get basic human thoughts. trolling is not when someone disagrees with you. neither of you have one single argument. my arguments are enough for my doubts.
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On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias?
why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met"
nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99%
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gosh guys, calm down  don't be mean to each other!!
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Idra 3-0 vs puma
Nerchio 0-2 vs puma
Idra 2-1 vs. Bomber
Nerchio never even played someone as good
Idra flown around the world to play in premier tournaments because of his skill
Nerchiohas only been invited to 2 european majors
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On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99%
You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met
because you want the information to favor your stance
What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games?
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facebook interview? No Thanks
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On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games?
obviously 17 games
but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data
and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something
in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better.
saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc
i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? 
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