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On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable.
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i think he was abducted by alliens who made him smile
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On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable.
it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities
but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind
see ya
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On November 04 2011 16:29 pbjsandwich wrote:
LOL
the only series you have there that is atleast a bo7 for both players is vs morrow and idra lose what? 3 or 4 games of that bc of 5 rax reaper?
random bo3s here and there vs players isn't doesn't determine the skill of a player.
If nerchio is as good as you say he is why isn't he going to the big tournies? Why isn't he going up against the koreans on a regular basis like Idra?
Nerchio can't be compared to idra until he is consistently playing the competition that idra is
Despite the ELO rankings, I personnaly think that Idra is overall better than Nerchio (better ZvT but worse ZvZ) but I can't agree with your argument. If you want to compare the players, you have to look at the games and not judge on the tournaments they attend.
You want to know why Nerchio is not going to as many big tourney as Idra ? Well the answer is because he is not american, he is not part of a big team that can send him anywhere, and he doesn't get nearly as many invites.
+ Show Spoiler [short comparison of their tourneys] +
MLG : obviously Nerchio is not going to compete here. For europeans, it's just the worst tournament ever.
IEM : Idra at Guangzhoun and Nerchio at Cologne. If you look only at the final result, sure Idra is definately above Nerchio who lost to Puma in the ro8, but let's not forget that Nerchio didn't loose a single game in his pool and on the other side Idra got lucky to get out of his pool after loosing 2 out of 3 bo3. In the end both players have a 66% win rate.
IPL : Being 2nd at IPL2 is not worse than being 1st at IPL1. For IPL3, Idra was invited and Nerchio wasn't.
ESWC : They both lost in the ro16
Dreamhack : both Nerchio and Idra will be there at Dreamhack winter.
On the otherside, Nerchio is dominating the online cups and probably has more tournaments earnings in 2011 than Idra.
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Sorry to interrupt the conversation on who's a better player between you fine gentlemen, but nice interview, any others in the work?
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Thanks for the interview, sounds nice. Love hearing IdrA. Sexy voice, with that pinch of whisky and cigar.
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Nice interview, well done.
Also nice argument you people are having, its almost as entertaining as the interview itself.
Especially the part where Jaxtyk said that he did not care about someones opinion, yet continued to argue with him.
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Awesome interview, good questions and good, thorough answers from IdrA.
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Okay guys, wtf. Idra is (sometimes) happy with playing zerg? What has happened?
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On November 04 2011 18:25 NeonFox wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the conversation on who's a better player between you fine gentlemen, but nice interview, any others in the work?
Lol that post made me laugh 
Yeah very nice interview, Love to see more Foxy, and Idra of course
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very nice interview. thank you.
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Thanks for your comments, it was really fun making this interview and it's cool to know you enjoyed it as well.
Here are some replies to questions I've seen while reading through the pages:
- I do play sc2 (guess what race)
- I'm a very sociable person, that's how I get to interview cool people
- The page is indeed small, please help me to make it grow
- I'll upload videos on a youtube channel as soon as I have a few, but Facebook is practical for sharing purposes
- There are more interviews to come, of course! I'll soon make another poll to know who you'd like me to interview, + I'll be covering both Battle in Berlin and DreamHack Winter with press access, so hopefully that means I'll bring back some more exclusive stuff!
Keep having fun!
Sophia
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The question of "what's something you haven't told anyone else ever" was actually a GREAT question. Especially given his response. Deep stuff, and that question alone would make the interview worth watching, even though the rest is good too.
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Have either of you thought about taking iron or Vitamin D supplements???
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On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya
You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making.
Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more.
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Nice interview. Was interesting to hear he actually considered quitting early on. Glad he stuck it out.
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Thanks for the awesome interview! I really liked how you asked some of the more original questions, a lot of interviewers seem to just ask the same few questions and never really go more "abstract."
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On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable. it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind see ya You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making. Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more.
if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies
That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition.
Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for
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On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling
please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?
Bias? why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met" nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99% You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met because you want the information to favor your stance What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games? obviously 17 games but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better. saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
It is skewing. There's a difference between skewing and altering, which is what you're thinking of. Skewing in this context is basically trying to persuade a person using outliers to back up your argument.
Anyways I think it's hard to argue Nerchio is better than Idra simply because he hasn't attended major tournaments. Whether it's by lack of funding or just not wanting to go, the results aren't there. If one has to be considered good, he has to prove it. Idra has proven that he is at the tip top of foreigners throughout the life of Starcraft 2, with deep runs in GSL, MLG, IEM etc. Nerchio hasn't proven anything except he can win small tournaments with lackluster player pools. Think of it this way, Bryce Harper, a first overall pick 2 years ago in the MLB has been highly touted to possibly be one of the best baseball players to come around in decades. But until he gets to the majors and shows results (he's in the minor leagues right now, as expected), no one even considers him to be better than say David Ortiz (a player who gets payed a lot, has shown results in the majors, and has a large fanbase). Obviously in this situation Idra = Ortiz and Nerchio = Harper.
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