Interview with IdrA

On November 04 2011 06:07 dAPhREAk wrote:
brilliant. sexy voice too.

On November 04 2011 06:16 Kira__ wrote:
is there any way to watch this video without going on facebook?

On November 04 2011 06:09 []Phase[] wrote:


Damn right Idra has a sexy voice!
Im excited about the GSTL. Id love to see them duking it out against the other teams, I hope they get used for the matches.

On November 04 2011 06:14 Torte de Lini wrote:


3 days ago

On November 04 2011 06:23 optical630 wrote:
idra to korea in december!

On November 04 2011 06:28 mathilol wrote:
Incredible that you could manage to get an Interview with Idra

On November 04 2011 06:31 dTox wrote:
So glad Idra didn't hand in his retirement letter

On November 04 2011 06:45 TheRealArtemis wrote:
I liked it! + Show Spoiler +

On November 04 2011 07:13 zerker2strong wrote:
well i think stephano is overrated he wins everything but he is really overrated yea that is good logic

On November 04 2011 07:08 TYJ.Aoy wrote:

Except he is just wrong, pure mech vs zerg dies to a mass muta switch(by a decent zerg) every time, every single time, thors are awful vs mutas, which limits terran's builds pretty much.

On November 04 2011 07:14 WaSa wrote:

Stephano being overrated is laughable. He's better than idra in every way except macro & metagaming (+understanding the opponent he's facing). TBH I'm also not that much fan of his stylistic play. He overdo it sometimes and it kinda feels like he needs to play funky to be that super good (as opposed to above average foreigner). But that has nothing to with being "overrated".

On November 04 2011 07:28 JJH777 wrote:


Yep I'm sure you know more than IdrA. Rofl at Thors being terrible against mutas though. They are always cost effective against mutas even when magic boxed.

On November 04 2011 07:31 Diavlo wrote:


Stephano is a overrated by the community, just read the TL comments when he wins, he's been put at the same level as Nestea countless times. I also read multiple times that he will be the only player to keep up with the brood war A-teamer when they start playing starcraft 2...
Being very very good (idrA's word) doesn't shield you from being overrated. At the moment, IdrA's also overrated, of course it's covered by the fact that 1/4 of the community shits on him blindly .


As for Nerchio, he wins a lot of online stuff, but that's not enough for the hype he consistently gets. And the fact that is ZvZ was (and maybe still is) better than IdrA's is hardly enough to say that Idra's opinion is irrelevant.

On November 04 2011 07:33 TYJ.Aoy wrote:

4 magic boxed mutas kill a thor, son, first get out of bronze before trying to correct people, I've tried mech and watched people try mech and fail countless and countless times for the same reason I just gave you( games where the hellions openings kill 50 drones not withstanding).

On November 04 2011 07:41 WaSa wrote:


I see some ignorant few fanboys comparing him and Nestea not " the community"; that kind of ridiculous hyperbole is more appropriate to idra actually lol. And stephano has just as many haters as idra and I don't see what that "covers" as it's all fanboyism.

On November 04 2011 07:41 WaSa wrote:


I see some ignorant few fanboys comparing him and Nestea not " the community"; that kind of ridiculous hyperbole is more appropriate to idra actually lol. And stephano has just as many haters as idra and I don't see what that "covers" as it's all fanboyism.

On November 04 2011 08:10 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:


lol stephano is def over rated atleast on TL he is. People call him a Zerg messiah. I've heard people say hes best zerg period. Most good players tend to be overrated by at least somebody

On November 04 2011 08:23 Diavlo wrote:


I didn't say that the entire community called stephano the new Nestea... But his fanboys are just as zaelous as IdrA's and they are very very vocal. And Stephano doesn't have nearly as many haters as IdrA, some of them are just the counterpart of his fanboy, the other are just IdrA's fanboy who don't take kindly the fact that Stephano gets so much hype (and results) .

On a all, i think the community is overrating both stephano and IdrA but i sense it a little more for the former since IdrA gets shit on on a daily basis by a large portion of both TL and reddit.

On November 04 2011 08:28 WaSa wrote:


I've heard some people say Idra is the best zerg period (allot more than Stephano I might add ). So idra is overrated at least on TL? >.>
Again, most people "overrating" stephano are fanboys and not "TL" which is basically saying, the majority of people hanging here. And you really think the majority of TLers hail stepahno as the best zerg ever? I can imagine the fanboys/haters think so but not the average guy hanging here.

On November 04 2011 08:34 WaSa wrote:


You said: "Stephano is overrated by the community". Maybe next time make it clear what you actually means

And Stephano has more haters than idra, not in # but relative to his fanbase. Most idra haters aren't really haters but anti-fans tired of his horde of followers & balance QQers. Stepahno on the other hand get blatant hate comments like he cheated, he was lucky, his opponent didn't take it seriously and all kind of stuff to downgrade his wins.

On November 04 2011 08:39 Elean wrote:
About the overated players question, all you need to understand is that Idra is a competitor and he gave the name of 3 player he consider as rival, that's all.

Stephano is currently rated above Idra, so it's perfectly normal that Idra says Stephano is overated. He is not being BM or meaning that Stephano is bad, but as a competitor you have to believe the other guy is not better than you.

Same with Nerchio and Kiwikaki, you can tell their is a huge rivalry.

On November 04 2011 08:53 arfyron wrote:


When Idra beat puma at IEM people were saying the games were rigged. Idra's wins get downgraded just as much if not more than stephano. Also I have never seen someone say Idra is the best zerg in the world but I routinely see people say stephano has the best zvt in the world.

On November 04 2011 09:00 Otolia wrote:

To OP : You should consider storing your videos elsewhere because it's on the border of advertising. It's a great work and I'd hate to see that go to waste.

I've heard some people say Idra is the best zerg period (allot more than Stephano I might add ). So idra is overrated at least on TL? >.>

On November 04 2011 09:00 Otolia wrote:

This nice looking girl is actually a friend of Adelscott confirmed by him on his stream. Unless my visual memory is failing me I believe she is his girlfriend but I can't be sure. She has a french accent, but her spelling is fluent.

Otherwise IdrA showed that he is the smartest player out there by far. Though I love Stephano's playstyle, he hasn't the same mechanics as Idra. But on the other hand, he deals with pressure much better than any other zergs and has a swift reaction time that allows him to maintain a strong economical advantage over time. I am waiting for the time he won't win anymore and he will need to work harder to improve.

To OP : You should consider storing your videos elsewhere because it's on the border of advertising. It's a great work and I'd hate to see that go to waste.

On November 04 2011 08:59 Elean wrote:

If you have never seen anyone say that Idra is the best zerg in the world, clearly you have not been following the scene for a long time. Idra has even been at the top of the "zerg king" poll, which means not only there were people saying Idra is the best, but at some point it was the majority of TL who thought so. Of course this changed after Nestea winning multiple GSL, and Idra struggling after leaving Korea.

On November 04 2011 10:04 Mario1209 wrote:
Great interview.
I agree about Nerchio being overrated. But dissagree about MKP and Stephano, MKP is still one of the top 10 koreans imo, and stephano is easily top 10 foreigners. Also looking forward to seeing IdrA in the GSTL for slayers alongside HuK, altho i doubt they will play them that often, if at all.

On November 04 2011 10:04 Mario1209 wrote:
Great interview.
I agree about Nerchio being overrated. But dissagree about MKP and Stephano, MKP is still one of the top 10 koreans imo, and stephano is easily top 10 foreigners. Also looking forward to seeing IdrA in the GSTL for slayers alongside HuK, altho i doubt they will play them that often, if at all.

On November 04 2011 10:35 Sarang wrote:


I think IdrA would definitely consider Stephano a top 10 foreigner. He never said Stephano wasn't good, just that he won't keep winning everything.

I can definitely see SlayerS using HuK - he would be their best protoss, afterall. While IdrA might not be their best Zerg, I'd say he'd be the best at ZvT, so they might use him at first against a terran with weak TvZ.

On November 04 2011 13:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


She's very pretty

Good interview ^^ Didn't know IdrA was so depressed at the "imbalance" that he was considering retiring at some point!

On November 04 2011 06:45 TheRealArtemis wrote:
I liked it! + Show Spoiler +

On November 04 2011 08:23 Diavlo wrote:


I didn't say that the entire community called stephano the new Nestea... But his fanboys are just as zaelous as IdrA's and they are very very vocal. And Stephano doesn't have nearly as many haters as IdrA, some of them are just the counterpart of his fanboys, the others are just IdrA's fanboys who don't take kindly the fact that Stephano gets so much hype (and results) .

On a all, i think the community is overrating both stephano and IdrA but i sense it more for the former since IdrA gets shit on on a daily basis by a large portion of both TL and reddit.

On November 04 2011 13:39 DoomsVille wrote:

Oh man... back then some of the maps were so hardcore T favored in TvZ. It wasn't even racial imbalance that was the problem. The map pool was total garbage. In that series vs. Jinro... IdrA had to play the most absurd TvZ ever

Xel'Naga Caverns
Jungle Basin
Close Position Metal
Close Position Shakuras (back when there were destructible rocks in your main).

It was honestly the most depressing thing in the world for a zerg to watch. Honestly I wouldn't blame him if he retired after that series.

Not to take anything away from Jinro though. Jinro did play outstanding. Can't really fault him for a map pool that is out of his control.

On November 04 2011 08:54 arfyron wrote:


I don't think nerchio or kiwikaki is considered above idra by anyone.

On November 04 2011 15:19 Netsky wrote:
Good interview! Interesting to know he was really pissed off after losing to Jinro in GSL...but the way he lost those games it was because of silly maps, rather than race balance. Happy he didn't retire.

On November 04 2011 15:13 msjakofsky wrote:


well nerchio is considered above idra by me for example. don't make assumptions just because you're gay for idra

On November 04 2011 15:38 pbjsandwich wrote:

i think he meant anyone that knows what they're talking about

On November 04 2011 16:29 pbjsandwich wrote:
LOL

the only series you have there that is atleast a bo7 for both players is vs morrow and idra lose what? 3 or 4 games of that bc of 5 rax reaper?

random bo3s here and there vs players isn't doesn't determine the skill of a player.

If nerchio is as good as you say he is why isn't he going to the big tournies? Why isn't he going up against the koreans on a regular basis like Idra?

Nerchio can't be compared to idra until he is consistently playing the competition that idra is

On November 04 2011 16:29 pbjsandwich wrote:
LOL

the only series you have there that is atleast a bo7 for both players is vs morrow and idra lose what? 3 or 4 games of that bc of 5 rax reaper?

random bo3s here and there vs players isn't doesn't determine the skill of a player.

If nerchio is as good as you say he is why isn't he going to the big tournies? Why isn't he going up against the koreans on a regular basis like Idra?

Nerchio can't be compared to idra until he is consistently playing the competition that idra is

On November 04 2011 16:15 msjakofsky wrote:


powerful arguments you got there

want some fun facts?

nerchio vs idra: 4-0

nerchio is 7-5 vs thorzain, idra is 2-2

idra is 0-4 vs huk last times they met, nerchio is 2-0 vs huk at around the same time

idra is 5-8 vs morrow, nerchio is 10-2

idra is 0-2 vs sase, nerchio is 2-0

so has idra got the bigger accomplishments? yeah

is he clearly above nerchio in skill? hell no

people like you are 100% unable to make an even slightly objective judgement

On November 04 2011 14:39 Oats123 wrote:


Ok what are all you people going on about Idra being shitted on on TL and reddit every day? If any thing he is the most praised player I've ever seen on TL and Reddit. Look at his fan club no other fan club even comes CLOSE to Idras. Look at the ASUS ROG show match poll, he is wining in 3 out of 4 of those votes casted by the community. when he streams he gathers shit loads of viewers, once he had 21k on his stream. He has way more fans then haters, WAY more.

On November 04 2011 17:12 Phobbers wrote:

Player X and player Y have both played player Z, X has won 80% of his games against Z, Y has won 66% of his games against Z, does this mean X>Y? No, in no fucking way does it mean that. I'm ridiculously tired of statements like that. There are so many variables and factors one has to take between X vs Z and Y vs Z where you can not say anything like that.

Let us put it this way, you know Polt? That guy who won the super tournament and all? The guy who many said had no chance against MMA, who at that time was viewed as a TvT specialist? Well he beat MMA in a 4-0 fashion. Just recently MMA beat MVP in a 4-1 fashion. Well, there is our X, Y, and Z. Are you going to boldly hold your ground and say Polt is better than MVP? I doubt it.

It's people like YOU that are unable to make a non-idiotic statement.

On November 04 2011 17:16 msjakofsky wrote:


i didn't say anywhere that the facts i stated actually PROVE something. but they represent something. an INFORMATION is a better argument than NO INFORMATION AT ALL. is this clear to you? i'm not convinced

they represent enough for me to doubt that Idra > Nerchio. i even said i'm not 100% convinced, but i have my opinion. you don't have any arguments or reason at all, you're just angry cuz someone doesn't think idra is the best. extreme fanboy bias is not a good tool to use in an argument where your opponent is not braindead. it might be good enough on these forums though.

On November 04 2011 17:17 pbjsandwich wrote:
You're literally the one with the bias against him

None of use have shown any fucking bias at all

On November 04 2011 16:29 pbjsandwich wrote:
LOL

the only series you have there that is atleast a bo7 for both players is vs morrow and idra lose what? 3 or 4 games of that bc of 5 rax reaper?

random bo3s here and there vs players isn't doesn't determine the skill of a player.

If nerchio is as good as you say he is why isn't he going to the big tournies? Why isn't he going up against the koreans on a regular basis like Idra?

Nerchio can't be compared to idra until he is consistently playing the competition that idra is

On November 04 2011 17:16 msjakofsky wrote:


i didn't say anywhere that the facts i stated actually PROVE something. but they represent something. an INFORMATION is a better argument than NO INFORMATION AT ALL. is this clear to you? i'm not convinced

they represent enough for me to doubt that Idra > Nerchio. i even said i'm not 100% convinced, but i have my opinion. you don't have any arguments or reason at all, you're just angry cuz someone doesn't think idra is the best. extreme fanboy bias is not a good tool to use in an argument where your opponent is not braindead. it might be good enough on these forums though.

On November 04 2011 17:20 msjakofsky wrote:


so your definition of bias is "if someone doesn't think idra's better than the guy who beat him 4-0 and has better winrates/score than him"

nice! that is just like that in the english dictionary!

on the other hand, you still didn't have one single argument. you might be a visionary. things are clear to you without proof.

On November 04 2011 17:21 Jaxtyk wrote:


Your information is worthless especially when the games were from a long time ago? So instead of calling IdrA fans "gay" why don't you go post somewhere else. Nobody wants you here.

On November 04 2011 17:23 pbjsandwich wrote:

.....

did you forget that you called someone "gay for idra" ?

is there a reason why this guy isn't suspended yet?

On November 04 2011 17:23 msjakofsky wrote:


you don't tell me where i go, and besides the morrow games it wasn't from a long time ago. also i didn't "call idra fans gay"

you don't have anything meaningful to say, and what you actually say is plainly not true. congratz!

On November 04 2011 17:25 pbjsandwich wrote:
this is literally how this guy amuses himself

trolling people on the internet

On November 04 2011 17:29 Jaxtyk wrote:
Your points were "Nerchio and Morrow are better than IdrA because I posted old information and it's true".

On November 04 2011 17:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
it's hilarious how this guys arguments completely breaks down and he resorts to trolling

please tell me why you skewed your information to make it look like idra has a worse vs huk record than nerchio?

Bias?

On November 04 2011 17:36 msjakofsky wrote:


why would it be skewed lol? i wrote "last times they met"

nerchio has a 100% record vs huk, i guess you're not really familiar with mathematics after reading your posts, but i can tell you it cannot get better than 100%, that's even better than 99%

On November 04 2011 17:42 pbjsandwich wrote:

You SKEWED the information by picking only the last time they met

because you want the information to favor your stance

What's a better determination of skill? 1 bo3 or 17 games?

On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:


obviously 17 games

but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data

and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something

in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better.

saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc

i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

On November 04 2011 17:57 Jaxtyk wrote:


Why is it so hard for you to understand that we simply don't care about your flawed opinion? Please, go ahead and call other people "gay" and express your opinion. Honestly, the moment you mentioned Nerchio being better than IdrA was laughable.

On November 04 2011 16:29 pbjsandwich wrote:
LOL

the only series you have there that is atleast a bo7 for both players is vs morrow and idra lose what? 3 or 4 games of that bc of 5 rax reaper?

random bo3s here and there vs players isn't doesn't determine the skill of a player.

If nerchio is as good as you say he is why isn't he going to the big tournies? Why isn't he going up against the koreans on a regular basis like Idra?

Nerchio can't be compared to idra until he is consistently playing the competition that idra is

On November 04 2011 18:25 NeonFox wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the conversation on who's a better player between you fine gentlemen, but nice interview, any others in the work?

On November 04 2011 18:08 msjakofsky wrote:


it is sooo hard to not insult your mental abilities

but yeah, this is futile. however you still don't tell anyone where to go on these forums, keep that in mind

see ya

On November 05 2011 05:06 Mattchew wrote:


You are both wrong. Idra and Nerchio are both really really talented zerg players. To call one definitively better than the other is flat out wrong. IdrA has the more prestigous career with many more notable victories and has had the better career. As for matchups and 1v1 we do not know. I personally believe that both could win any boX series against each other and that apart from a couple of Koreans (Nestea, MVP, DRG) they could both beat anyone in the world in a best of 3 or more series. This does not make them equal it just means there is not enough data to make the claims both of you are making.

Anyways, nice interview I hope you plan on doing more.

On November 04 2011 17:49 msjakofsky wrote:


obviously 17 games

but if you write "last times they met" it's not skewing, cuz you openly state that it's not the full set of data

and my stance is not an absolute statement, like yours. you're angry cuz someone doesn't think that nerchio is worse than idra. i doubt that idra is better than nerchio. an absolute statement like yours requires proof, you don't need proof if you doubt something

in truth, it's not really possible to actually prove which one is better. winrates/won games could represent something. i agree that idra's zvt is most likely better.

saying that nerchio didn't enter many lan's don't prove much, you know there was this foreigner thorzain who won his 1st tournament vs players like fruitdealer, mc, naniwa. nerchio said iirc that he can get more money in european weeklies and such- you might argue that then his scores are not representative enough, but that's not what you're doing, you're trying to tell me i'm trolling, etc

i even said idra has more accomplishments, but i'm not convinced that he is clearly above nerchio in skill. why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:

if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies

That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition.

On November 05 2011 05:38 PirateEd wrote:
[...]
Nerchio hasn't proven anything except he can win small tournaments with lackluster player pools.[...]

On November 05 2011 05:44 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
^-TBH i think the few weeks leading up to his big wins and even now Stephano would be Harper, Nerchio needs to improve his ZvT imo and stop relying on his sick ZvZ

On November 05 2011 05:27 pbjsandwich wrote:

if nerchio was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies

That's how it is in this scene. there aren't any superstar talents out there that aren't being sponsored or being flown out or going against the highest competition.

Nerchio is a great player but if he was at idra's talent level he'd be going to an MLG. Even if the tournament doesn't pay out well the prestige that goes along with doingw ell at an MLG is extremely high and worth paying the plane ticket for

On November 05 2011 06:15 Elean wrote:

Just the typical US TL poster who thinks only MLG and GSL matters.

Despite being in pool play in MLG, Idra is not good enough to earn enough money to justify a travel between europe and the USA. So why should any european (not in the pool) go there ? For an european, MLG is the worst tournament ever.

If I were trying to be as absurd as you which is really diffficult, I would say:

"if nerchio MVP was as talented as idra he would be going to more international tournies"

On November 05 2011 07:10 pbjsandwich wrote:

that's why so many top tier european players go to MLGs and play in the open bracket?

I never said shit about MLG and GSL being the only important tournament. What does that have to do with me being American?

Idra is on the level of thorzain, naniwa, morrow, white ra, stephano, socke, sjow, dimaga.

Those are top tier europeans that are traveling internationally and competing in high level tournies on a regular basis.Where the fuck is Nerchio?

He's a level below those people