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On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol
Yep! Thats how I got in 
But in all reality, I think any way of trying to create a valid top 200 player system that is static for periods of 2-4 months will never fundamentally show who the top 200 players are at any given point. I mean, are players supposed to have reserved spots in GM? Like "all top 100 players of last grand masters are guaranteed spots for this season". I'm not trying to defend the current system, because it essentially took top 200 players from this morning, and theres a ton of people (including myself) that arent top 200 mmr players in NA. But unless the system is dynamic (new players constantly being demoted/promoted from/to the list), that problem will always exist.
WC3 had a dynamic ladder in this sense, I think it was even updated in real time (or at least quite frequently). Where every person who had played a certain number of games was listed on ladder list (so being like 15-15 put you in 15,000th place on ladder for example). However I'm not convinced that this system would work with the current league system, because you cant have the bottom 50 or so players being promoted/demoted every game (nor does a dynamic system really work with the relatively frequent ladder resets).
What is the best solution to this? I think theres a fundamental problem that the current GM league isnt anything special. Being in GM right now doesnt really have any weight. What is a better solution?
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On November 02 2011 04:19 Pablols wrote:
oh bnet 2.0... should just be at a certain date at a certain time the top 200 active elo are instantly added, having to play a game to get promoted is so stupid
This.
Why wouldn't GM just be created on patch day with the top 200 MMR players? I DON'T UNDERSTAND SDLJFSLKDJF:SLDKJF
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On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time.
Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
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On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
I'm pretty sure there is no MMR cap seeing that the top players in GM consistently only get 5 - 6 points for wins and lose a lot for their losses, signifying that they have higher MMR than even other GMs.
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This alone proves that there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with GM... We've all known that the conditions for acquiring GM status were questionable at best, but this just takes the cake. Honestly, Blizzard needs to get their shit straight because this type of stuff is ruining competitive play.
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On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
There is an MMR cap they made after that whole thing about huk searching ladder for hours and finding no one, they implemented a cap so that it's easier for high level players to find matches.
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On November 02 2011 04:28 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. I'm pretty sure there is no MMR cap seeing that the top players in GM consistently only get 5 - 6 points for wins and lose a lot for their losses, signifying that they have higher MMR than even other GMs.
That signifies that their points is higher than the other person's MMR, not anything else. Not that I'm not agreeing with you that there isnt an MMR cap, but that logic doesn't work. The points you get is based on your points to their MMR and vice versa, so both people can see the other person has different things (favored, non favored, even etc).
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As a team manager of a team who had 9GM's last week and now im down to 1, im extremely pissed. 4 of my guys were top 50, and 2 of those 4 were top 20. idk how this happened but blizzard needs to do a reset. also i have counted around 35+ accounts that are smerfs. There are 2 people on GM with roughly 5 accounts in GM and a bunch with 2-3. BLizzard needs to do some sort of IP check system along with fixing everything else they messed up.
How does ostojiy not make it with almost 1000 points in 1 week with 80% win ratio. to bad he had work or school and wasnt on to get a free GM rank!
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On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it.
As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible.
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I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill.
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On November 02 2011 04:30 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:28 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. I'm pretty sure there is no MMR cap seeing that the top players in GM consistently only get 5 - 6 points for wins and lose a lot for their losses, signifying that they have higher MMR than even other GMs. That signifies that their points is higher than the other person's MMR, not anything else. Not that I'm not agreeing with you that there isnt an MMR cap, but that logic doesn't work. The points you get is based on your points to their MMR and vice versa, so both people can see the other person has different things (favored, non favored, even etc).
It shows that if there is an MMR cap, it's sufficiently high enough that even most GMs can't attain it. Or that playing at the GM ladder is a negative-sum game, if one player is MMR capped, he is going to be losing more points than his opponent gains (seeing as though the opponent will get less points for an MMR-capped opponent as opposed to one whose MMR is allowed to rise indefinitely).
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On November 02 2011 04:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it. As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible.
Yes you need to win your placement so I think there is a big bug. As for mmr cap, yes there is one
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On November 02 2011 04:31 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill.
Well honestly, if we're going to have this we might as well make it work.
Hopefully that's what Blizzard's reasoning, because this just embarrassing for them. Do hope they fix or remove it.
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On November 02 2011 04:31 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill.
StrifeCro is here.
Attero (I believe) has complained. Pokebunny also commented on another thread (but I guess he's busy laddering now).
So there are some pros. I doubt players like Idra care, but for those middle-of-the-road pros, a GM rank can add a lot more credibility (seeing as there are a lot of pros who don't even have the MMR to be in the GM league).
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desrow has 2 accounts in top 200,LOL! Definitely something is wrong.
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I think if they kept the two week ladder freeze period, and took top 200 players over that period it would be more fair? It is pretty silly that there are maybe 35-50 people in GM right now that have only played 1 game in the last two weeks. Perhaps a requirement to GM is that you ahve to have played 25 games in the current season (during the ladder reset for example) in order to be considered for a promotion.
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On November 02 2011 04:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it. As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible.
Probably something to do with people all at the MMR cap then, because It would explain lasts seasons behavior of why people all got very low points per win after a certain point and it never fixed itself like it does usually when peoples MMR increased again. I'm guessing the cap is pretty low and that there are way more than 200 people at it so it just became a race of who could wake up earliest lol. Don't know how people got promoted still with 0-1, maybe that is another change they made separately, where losses could give promotions because there's no inherent reason why only wins should promote you to GM, only for the other 5 ladders.
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its NA ladder  ... jkjk
It has always been strange for me at least... There were like 50 pretty bad players in EU GM last season too, when it got up. Maybe its Bnet system bugging out somehow
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On November 02 2011 04:16 Drey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao. Its already a joke, Deezer is in it ! 
twice t.t
focusmyhead was his favorite warcraft 3 hacking aka
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