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MOD EDIT: Daxxarri's post on the issue, since I know this is going to be a hot topic on SotG tonight:
Thank you all for the reports!
I just wanted to reassure you that we’re already aware of this situation and are investigating it currently. We’ll provide further updates when they become available.
MOD EDIT 2: A large amount of players were removed from GM league this morning, Nov 3.
UPDATE:
The issue involving Grandmaster League placement has been resolved. Players which were placed into Grandmaster League inappropriately have been removed, which has allowed deserving players to earn their place in the league.
Thank you all for your patience, and good luck on the ladder!
Has anyone noticed how messed up the ladder is? It seems to have taken mid-masters players while excluding some huge names (eg. dde, Idra, Kiwikaki, OstojiY... all of them are known as ladder beasts in terms of being near the top).
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ladder/grandmaster
Some standard names there (eg. oGsVines, Sheth) but then you have some ppl such as this guy...
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2131911/1/somefeelrain/
Am I imagining things? Or is there a potential issue?
So far no resolution has been reached, I know a few people who are clearly frustrated that they weren't included in the GM league even though they definitely have the results/MMR to be there (strong > 50% win rate this season + GM last season).
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desrow has 2 accounts in top 200 lol.
And some of these i dont even know.. but if you have heard idra,minigun etc, they all say that GM on NA means nothing, so they're not worried.
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Lol some of them have 1 loss and are GM. :p
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It does seem to be a little glitched. A lot of the grandmaster players had 200-400 points before being promoted and I can would be shocked if their MMR was secretly higher than notable pro players.
EDIT: not that no names can't be GM or be able to compete with the notable players, its just I doubt so there are as many closet gosus as there currently are in GM
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On November 02 2011 04:08 Incognoto wrote:
Lol some of them have 1 loss and are GM. :p
About 30 accounts have 1 game played with most being losses I believe when I looked earlier lol.
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Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.
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Well from talking to an (ex) GM from last season, he played about 25 games so far this season because he didn't want to risk lowering his MMR and falling out of GM this season. So I can understand how a few people with 0-1 records who were in GM last season are in GM this season, especially because GM ladders were filled after one week instead of two weeks (with two weeks, I believe you could accrue enough bonus pool such that not playing enough games before GM placement could leave you out without a spot).
I'm just appalled that people who were low masters last season somehow ended up with GM spots. And that some people who should have them don't.
For me, I was aiming for a GM spot this season. I think with my current MMR I would've ended up slightly out of the bubble (I was scratching top 100 in Masters league before placement, but a lot of top pros/Season 3 GMs weren't playing ladder), but I would've liked to know how close or far I was to making GM.
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i step away for 1 season i dont recognize 95% of the names on GM NA
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its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol
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On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.
Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that).
Still, they could theoretically stay in GM.
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Don't we have this issue every season?
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On November 02 2011 04:12 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao. Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that). Still, they could theoretically stay in GM.
which just makes it a bad system.
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It's easily possible that the "somefeelrain" guy had a huge bonus pool remaining at the end of the last season and actually had a high MMR. But still it doesn't explain the lack of a lot of top NA pros
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just noticed that one. points, wins, losses. wtf
User was warned for this post
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On November 02 2011 04:14 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:12 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao. Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that). Still, they could theoretically stay in GM. which just makes it a bad system.
What?
That's actually one of the controls in place, and it is a good one. You can't intentionally demote yourself to Bronze-level MMR when you're in GM and then stay in GM that way, because you'll be getting 1 point per win probably.
Doesn't fix the problem of how GM is messed right now.
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On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao.
Its already a joke, Deezer is in it ! 
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On November 02 2011 04:15 Testuser wrote:
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just noticed that one. points, wins, losses. wtf
EdgE has been high in the NA GM rankings in previous seasons. Going on a bad streak doesn't (and shouldn't) change that.
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On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol
Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM.
So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time.
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oh bnet 2.0... should just be at a certain date at a certain time the top 200 active elo are instantly added, having to play a game to get promoted is so stupid
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There were some people who I've beaten constantly (and clearly have higher MMR over them, at least as of last night) who made it, which makes me bitter. TBH I probably wouldn't have made it anyway, but I still want to know how close I was.
I hope Blizzard rectifies this, but I don't see them doing that.
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On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol
Yep! Thats how I got in 
But in all reality, I think any way of trying to create a valid top 200 player system that is static for periods of 2-4 months will never fundamentally show who the top 200 players are at any given point. I mean, are players supposed to have reserved spots in GM? Like "all top 100 players of last grand masters are guaranteed spots for this season". I'm not trying to defend the current system, because it essentially took top 200 players from this morning, and theres a ton of people (including myself) that arent top 200 mmr players in NA. But unless the system is dynamic (new players constantly being demoted/promoted from/to the list), that problem will always exist.
WC3 had a dynamic ladder in this sense, I think it was even updated in real time (or at least quite frequently). Where every person who had played a certain number of games was listed on ladder list (so being like 15-15 put you in 15,000th place on ladder for example). However I'm not convinced that this system would work with the current league system, because you cant have the bottom 50 or so players being promoted/demoted every game (nor does a dynamic system really work with the relatively frequent ladder resets).
What is the best solution to this? I think theres a fundamental problem that the current GM league isnt anything special. Being in GM right now doesnt really have any weight. What is a better solution?
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On November 02 2011 04:19 Pablols wrote:
oh bnet 2.0... should just be at a certain date at a certain time the top 200 active elo are instantly added, having to play a game to get promoted is so stupid
This.
Why wouldn't GM just be created on patch day with the top 200 MMR players? I DON'T UNDERSTAND SDLJFSLKDJF:SLDKJF
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On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time.
Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
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On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
I'm pretty sure there is no MMR cap seeing that the top players in GM consistently only get 5 - 6 points for wins and lose a lot for their losses, signifying that they have higher MMR than even other GMs.
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This alone proves that there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with GM... We've all known that the conditions for acquiring GM status were questionable at best, but this just takes the cake. Honestly, Blizzard needs to get their shit straight because this type of stuff is ruining competitive play.
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On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
There is an MMR cap they made after that whole thing about huk searching ladder for hours and finding no one, they implemented a cap so that it's easier for high level players to find matches.
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On November 02 2011 04:28 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. I'm pretty sure there is no MMR cap seeing that the top players in GM consistently only get 5 - 6 points for wins and lose a lot for their losses, signifying that they have higher MMR than even other GMs.
That signifies that their points is higher than the other person's MMR, not anything else. Not that I'm not agreeing with you that there isnt an MMR cap, but that logic doesn't work. The points you get is based on your points to their MMR and vice versa, so both people can see the other person has different things (favored, non favored, even etc).
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As a team manager of a team who had 9GM's last week and now im down to 1, im extremely pissed. 4 of my guys were top 50, and 2 of those 4 were top 20. idk how this happened but blizzard needs to do a reset. also i have counted around 35+ accounts that are smerfs. There are 2 people on GM with roughly 5 accounts in GM and a bunch with 2-3. BLizzard needs to do some sort of IP check system along with fixing everything else they messed up.
How does ostojiy not make it with almost 1000 points in 1 week with 80% win ratio. to bad he had work or school and wasnt on to get a free GM rank!
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On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all.
David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it.
As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible.
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I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill.
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On November 02 2011 04:30 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:28 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. I'm pretty sure there is no MMR cap seeing that the top players in GM consistently only get 5 - 6 points for wins and lose a lot for their losses, signifying that they have higher MMR than even other GMs. That signifies that their points is higher than the other person's MMR, not anything else. Not that I'm not agreeing with you that there isnt an MMR cap, but that logic doesn't work. The points you get is based on your points to their MMR and vice versa, so both people can see the other person has different things (favored, non favored, even etc).
It shows that if there is an MMR cap, it's sufficiently high enough that even most GMs can't attain it. Or that playing at the GM ladder is a negative-sum game, if one player is MMR capped, he is going to be losing more points than his opponent gains (seeing as though the opponent will get less points for an MMR-capped opponent as opposed to one whose MMR is allowed to rise indefinitely).
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On November 02 2011 04:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it. As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible.
Yes you need to win your placement so I think there is a big bug. As for mmr cap, yes there is one
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On November 02 2011 04:31 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill.
Well honestly, if we're going to have this we might as well make it work.
Hopefully that's what Blizzard's reasoning, because this just embarrassing for them. Do hope they fix or remove it.
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On November 02 2011 04:31 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill.
StrifeCro is here.
Attero (I believe) has complained. Pokebunny also commented on another thread (but I guess he's busy laddering now).
So there are some pros. I doubt players like Idra care, but for those middle-of-the-road pros, a GM rank can add a lot more credibility (seeing as there are a lot of pros who don't even have the MMR to be in the GM league).
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desrow has 2 accounts in top 200,LOL! Definitely something is wrong.
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I think if they kept the two week ladder freeze period, and took top 200 players over that period it would be more fair? It is pretty silly that there are maybe 35-50 people in GM right now that have only played 1 game in the last two weeks. Perhaps a requirement to GM is that you ahve to have played 25 games in the current season (during the ladder reset for example) in order to be considered for a promotion.
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On November 02 2011 04:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it. As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible.
Probably something to do with people all at the MMR cap then, because It would explain lasts seasons behavior of why people all got very low points per win after a certain point and it never fixed itself like it does usually when peoples MMR increased again. I'm guessing the cap is pretty low and that there are way more than 200 people at it so it just became a race of who could wake up earliest lol. Don't know how people got promoted still with 0-1, maybe that is another change they made separately, where losses could give promotions because there's no inherent reason why only wins should promote you to GM, only for the other 5 ladders.
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its NA ladder  ... jkjk
It has always been strange for me at least... There were like 50 pretty bad players in EU GM last season too, when it got up. Maybe its Bnet system bugging out somehow
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On November 02 2011 04:16 Drey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao. Its already a joke, Deezer is in it !
twice t.t
focusmyhead was his favorite warcraft 3 hacking aka
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On November 02 2011 04:03 FairForever wrote:Has anyone noticed how messed up the ladder is? It seems to have taken mid-masters players while excluding some huge names (eg. dde, Idra, Kiwikaki, OstojiY... all of them are known as ladder beasts in terms of being near the top). http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/ladder/grandmasterSome standard names there (eg. oGsVines, Sheth) but then you have some ppl such as this guy... http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2131911/1/somefeelrain/Am I imagining things? Or is there a potential issue? So far no resolution has been reached, I know a few people who are clearly frustrated that they weren't included in the GM league even though they definitely have the results/MMR to be there (strong > 50% win rate this season + GM last season).
It sounds like you're glasses raining on his parade.
Did Artosis finally make GM?
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Wow, so many bad players in GM. I wish I was awake when it was open, I could have gotten a spot...
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i'm a 0-1 gm
i played my first game of the season and lost my placement and it gave me gm. Last season i had a high mmr + a reasonable amount of points (1700) though. I just didn't play any games after reset until today.
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On November 02 2011 04:33 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:31 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill. StrifeCro is here. Attero (I believe) has complained. Pokebunny also commented on another thread (but I guess he's busy laddering now). So there are some pros. I doubt players like Idra care, but for those middle-of-the-road pros, a GM rank can add a lot more credibility (seeing as there are a lot of pros who don't even have the MMR to be in the GM league).
I don't care that much about getting GM, just curious about the mathematical system they used lol. kinda like a puzzle. But it is a negative sum game when 2 high players played each other last season. I lost like 20 points for losing to DDE rank 1 once and I'm sure he didn't gain 20, probably 4-5, which would explain the MMR cap. Example if our MMR is both capped at 1200, but I'm at 1500 points hes at 1650 or something then if we played each other forever, we would slowly both drop down to 1200 if we went 50/50.
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On November 02 2011 04:35 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:31 Excalibur_Z wrote:On November 02 2011 04:25 StrifeCro wrote:On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time. Where did you read that there was an MMR cap? That doesn't really make sense at all. David Kim allegedly told some pro players in private conversations that an MMR cap exists. I can see this being true because points get harder and harder to earn the higher up in GM you get, which means your MMR has peaked (edit: and you're also playing against other people with peaked MMRs) but your points continue to rise above it. As for this particular GM league issue, it does appear to be a bug of some kind. You can only get promoted after a win, and GM league requires a promotion, not initial placement, and yet there are players with 0-1 records in GM which should be impossible. Probably something to do with people all at the MMR cap then, because It would explain lasts seasons behavior of why people all got very low points per win after a certain point and it never fixed itself like it does usually when peoples MMR increased again. I'm guessing the cap is pretty low and that there are way more than 200 people at it so it just became a race of who could wake up earliest lol. Don't know how people got promoted still with 0-1, maybe that is another change they made separately, where losses could give promotions because there's no inherent reason why only wins should promote you to GM, only for the other 5 ladders.
I doubt it. This would only happen if there were like 600 - 800 people at the MMR cap, which seems unbelievable to me.
Going back... I can definitely see how this might happen. I ran into top pros quite a bit last season (and I am definitely nowhere near their skill level). But I'm pretty sure I wasn't hitting MMR cap (I was about top 300 Masters in NA, so about Top 500 NA) because I still tended to play more with people in my range (as opposed to some top pros).
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The best part about this is all the posts on reddit bragging about GM. Though, in the end it is just the ladder and shouldn't be taken seriously anyway. The only benefit is getting invited to Blizzard tournaments. Unless they invite some random over Idra or whoever, I Don't see it being a problem.
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You can't judge a person's skill by looking at points... They mean nothing. How do you know that he isn't as good as any other top gm player?
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On November 02 2011 04:39 StrifeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:33 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 04:31 EdSlyB wrote:
I don't why people get so worried about who's or who's not in GM. I don't see the 'pros' going: "This is madness!! BS Bnet system!!!"
They don't give a shit about if they are in GM or not because its not the ladder that gives players the ultimate skill indicator. Many of the pros have smurfs for laddering and such. Get over thatbecause at the end ladder has little relevance in measuring a player's skill. StrifeCro is here. Attero (I believe) has complained. Pokebunny also commented on another thread (but I guess he's busy laddering now). So there are some pros. I doubt players like Idra care, but for those middle-of-the-road pros, a GM rank can add a lot more credibility (seeing as there are a lot of pros who don't even have the MMR to be in the GM league). I don't care that much about getting GM, just curious about the mathematical system they used lol. kinda like a puzzle. But it is a negative sum game when 2 high players played each other last season. I lost like 20 points for losing to DDE rank 1 once and I'm sure he didn't gain 20, probably 4-5, which would explain the MMR cap. Example if our MMR is both capped at 1200, but I'm at 1500 points hes at 1650 or something then if we played each other forever, we would slowly both drop down to 1200 if we went 50/50.
That's just ridiculous then, because this MMR cap works contrary to the bonus pool.
It's not a huge deal but it is something that should be fixed. It would probably be better if Blizzard simply allowed players near the top of the MMR chain to have a wider range of possible opponents as opposed to capping it.
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wow I should've had a spot reserved in GM, but I didn't play this morning and now I miss out ? lol good work blizzard
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On November 02 2011 04:39 TheSwamp wrote:
The best part about this is all the posts on reddit bragging about GM. Though, in the end it is just the ladder and shouldn't be taken seriously anyway. The only benefit is getting invited to Blizzard tournaments. Unless they invite some random over Idra or whoever, I Don't see it being a problem.
I noticed that too, all the "my hard work finally paid off!" but it's actually completely broken hahaha
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This is a joke, there's people in that i beat 2 or 3 times yesterday (been matched as "Teams even" and even me being "slightly favored" and just because i dont wake up the second the season starts i miss out?
Lol.
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On November 02 2011 04:41 coL.drewbie wrote:
wow I should've had a spot reserved in GM, but I didn't play this morning and now I miss out ? lol good work blizzard
^ This... I feel sorry for the hardworking pro's who deserve to be GM and deserve the chance to be shown off to the NA Ladder system as the TRUE top 200 players in NA. If nothing is fixed, this problem is only going to get worse as we will have players artificially boosting their MMR at the end of a ladder season then camping out on reset day to be the first few lucky players that win the GM lottery.
GM Should be based on tournament / ELO and not on the luck of pulling a winning lottery ticket.
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On November 02 2011 04:41 coL.drewbie wrote:
wow I should've had a spot reserved in GM, but I didn't play this morning and now I miss out ? lol good work blizzard
You guys need to calm down hehe ^__^ If players that did not deserve Grandmaster spots, they will continue to lose a lot of games and will discourage them to ladder anyways. ^^ . at any rate, good luck to all players who made GM today ^___^
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i just got home forgot it was today t.t, hopefully spots will open midseason and since the seasons are so short it doesn't matter really
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On November 02 2011 04:08 Yip12343 wrote:
desrow has 2 accounts in top 200 lol.
And some of these i dont even know.. but if you have heard idra,minigun etc, they all say that GM on NA means nothing, so they're not worried.
my VTdesRow account was in top10 of master league last season (top10 overall) my desrow account was at 62% before reset. My MMR's are high enough to be in GM. Just like my EU account was facing top50 GM on EU at 53%winratio will probably get GM tomorrow as well.
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It's just so funny to compare the Top200 people on ladder as of last night, and people who are currently in GM.
There's so much discrepancy~
and now we can't say CombatEX is a Grand Master level cheeser anymore 
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On November 02 2011 04:41 coL.drewbie wrote:
wow I should've had a spot reserved in GM, but I didn't play this morning and now I miss out ? lol good work blizzard
GM is only a league... it is kinda sad that after three seasons of GM that blizzard could find a way to mess up this season... However... doesn't change the fact that pros are still pros and are much better than these guys in GM.. it could of been much much worse...
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GM is certainly fucked up right now, Blizzard messed something about the MMR's up. Too bad for those who were trying to get into GM, or those who got really excited when they were placed in GM.
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Countless players in the top 100 of Grandmaster last season didn't even get put into the whole top 200 Grandmaster this season. That's a joke. They should guarantee Grandmaster spots in the next season based on your last season's performance (for ex. top 50 get reserved slots next time).
I know for a fact ostogijy, lalush, idra, and slush are one of the best zerg players out there.
Even CombatEX and PiQLiQ as protoss played more games than anybody else, had a decent win ratio and still got nothing in return.
Pretty sure there's more than 200 players out there with a similar MMR and the first 200 to login got promoted. Everyone knows who the best players are anyway, it's not like it matters, but it's still a very flawed system.
When you watch a player like LiquidHerO go 50 and 3 as rank 1 master and wonder why he's not in Grandmaster because it's locked, it makes you laugh.
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On November 02 2011 04:19 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:12 StrifeCro wrote:
its definitely glitched. GM ladder has never filled up b4 people even wake up in the morning with all 200 slots. there have to be some people who slept longer than that and had top 200 MMR. I mean dde was rank 1 last season with 6/1 ratio or something and isn't there lol.
edit : just seems to have took the first 200 people who had decently high mmrs that played a game lol Well, I think the cap for MMR is reached, which would be the GM league. Plenty of players are able to create a new account and artificially inflate their MMR over their old account. Players are finally realizing that its more beneficial to get a smurf, with a clean slate MMR to GM, rather than pushing their stabilized MMR account into GM. So, what I am saying is, the intelligence of people to get new accounts with blank MMR, and the MMR cap which has already been reached by more than 200 people (probably around 400) all have an equal shot for GM. This just goes to show that Ascends GM show should be based of quality players, rather than who actually is in GM at any given time.
That's exactly what I was thinking, we are at the point where MMR is capped blizzard would need to reset it to have a meaningful GM league.
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I made GM today... something is wrong....
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Static system where it took sample of 2 weeks to display top 200 for 6 month okay np
1 day sample to display for 3 month THATS AN OUTRAGE
You guys shouldnt be saying oh there is an error in the system NOW.
You should be saying that system is dumbest system i ever saw and THIS just proves it.
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On November 02 2011 04:55 G5 wrote:
I made GM today... something is wrong....
What are you talking about.. You took down boxer in scbw.. that should get you GM status alone!
Ps. Happy Bday Eric
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On November 02 2011 04:55 Sfydjklm wrote:
Static system where it took sample of 2 weeks to display top 200 for 6 month okay np
1 day sample to display for 3 month THATS AN OUTRAGE
You guys shouldnt be saying oh there is an error in the system NOW.
You should be saying that system is dumbest system i ever saw and THIS just proves it.
Working as intended, I guess.
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You know its broken when CombatEx isn't #1 on US GM after unlock. >.>
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My View: I logged on today and got grandmasters. I was rank 2 in all of masters league for NA last season, and my mmr never said that anyone was favored over me. The fact that nobody was favored over me makes me believe that there is in fact a skill cap, (i played EGIdra and it said even match, i find that hard to believe). Yes I have played a lot of good players, and yea i have an over 50% winrate but the cap would explain why all people who logged on this morning got auto spots, because there was a pool of about 600 players (made up number) that all had "x" amount of mmr, whenever one of those ppl laddered they automatically got in. Sadly, that means that average Joe high masters terran in the eyes of blizzard had exactly the same mmr as EGIdra. This is just my take on what happened and it would def explain why the league filled up so quickly
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So wait, all the GM spots are full? Doesn't it usually take a few weeks for all 200 spots to populate?
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I'll agree there seems to be something odd about it. I mean... a zerg thats 3-11 and who was a mediocre master level last season is on it? Makes no sense.
But what I dont get is why some people say they are bitter or get butthurt over it..... as long as you are playing people who are giving you a challenge and you are improving... who cares what league the ladder says you are in.
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whoever mentioned the MMR cap thing might be right. I think everyones collective MMR rose higher than it had been in the past and blizzard didn't account for that so any sort of algorithims used to determine GM status were shooting too low. At least that seems like one likely possiblity. Previous season GM's should have reserved slots as well or at least bonuses if they are still active.
I really hope they do something about it because I'm sure I deserve a GM spot on NA (top 70 last season, played 80 games this season so far #1 masters etc) and it looks like GM might be full with very little chance of ever getting in since it's SO hard to drop out of GM once your there. (literally impossible just play a game a day and you will never drop out)
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yea i noticed this morning something definitely seems very screwed up with who gets GM. it's nonsensical with who has and hasn't been getting GM
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On November 02 2011 05:10 stOpSKY wrote:
I'll agree there seems to be something odd about it. I mean... a zerg thats 3-11 and who was a mediocre master level last season is on it? Makes no sense.
But what I dont get is why some people say they are bitter or get butthurt over it..... as long as you are playing people who are giving you a challenge and you are improving... who cares what league the ladder says you are in.
People like rewards for their efforts. The entire purpose of Blizzard's ladder is to reward players through league promotions. If the promotion to the highest of leagues is faulty, you can't understand why people would be upset?
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On November 02 2011 05:13 LuckyFool wrote:
whoever mentioned the MMR cap thing might be right. I think everyones collective MMR rose higher than it had been in the past and blizzard didn't account for that so any sort of algorithims used to determine GM status were shooting too low. At least that seems like one likely possiblity. Previous season GM's should have reserved slots as well or at least bonuses if they are still active.
I really hope they do something about it because I'm sure I deserve a GM spot on NA (top 70 last season, played 80 games this season so far #1 masters etc) and it looks like GM might be full with very little chance of ever getting in since it's SO hard to drop out of GM once your there. (literally impossible just play a game a day and you will never drop out)
While I agree with you im just curious if you think it matters whether or not you are in GM? What if you are high rank master playing GM players all the time? Like what benefit is there from being GM... not trying to be rude or anything, just asking.
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On November 02 2011 04:41 coL.drewbie wrote:
wow I should've had a spot reserved in GM, but I didn't play this morning and now I miss out ? lol good work blizzard
yep i thought the same thing =[
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On November 02 2011 05:19 stOpSKY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:13 LuckyFool wrote:
whoever mentioned the MMR cap thing might be right. I think everyones collective MMR rose higher than it had been in the past and blizzard didn't account for that so any sort of algorithims used to determine GM status were shooting too low. At least that seems like one likely possiblity. Previous season GM's should have reserved slots as well or at least bonuses if they are still active.
I really hope they do something about it because I'm sure I deserve a GM spot on NA (top 70 last season, played 80 games this season so far #1 masters etc) and it looks like GM might be full with very little chance of ever getting in since it's SO hard to drop out of GM once your there. (literally impossible just play a game a day and you will never drop out) While I agree with you im just curious if you think it matters whether or not you are in GM? What if you are high rank master playing GM players all the time? Like what benefit is there from being GM... not trying to be rude or anything, just asking.
The only advantage of being Grandmaster is that it puts you on a very exclusive list that Blizzard keeps. This in itself can give a lot of people a sense of accomplishment.
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On November 02 2011 05:18 M[a]LiCe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:10 stOpSKY wrote:
I'll agree there seems to be something odd about it. I mean... a zerg thats 3-11 and who was a mediocre master level last season is on it? Makes no sense.
But what I dont get is why some people say they are bitter or get butthurt over it..... as long as you are playing people who are giving you a challenge and you are improving... who cares what league the ladder says you are in. People like rewards for their efforts. The entire purpose of Blizzard's ladder is to reward players through league promotions. If the promotion to the highest of leagues is faulty, you can't understand why people would be upset?
I just dont understand why it matters whether you are a master player playing GMs or a GM playing GMs. Its the same thing and isnt the overall goal just to improve and be a better player and practice? If top GMs were given like auto tourney invites to blizz or something I can better understand though.
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On November 02 2011 05:19 stOpSKY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:13 LuckyFool wrote:
whoever mentioned the MMR cap thing might be right. I think everyones collective MMR rose higher than it had been in the past and blizzard didn't account for that so any sort of algorithims used to determine GM status were shooting too low. At least that seems like one likely possiblity. Previous season GM's should have reserved slots as well or at least bonuses if they are still active.
I really hope they do something about it because I'm sure I deserve a GM spot on NA (top 70 last season, played 80 games this season so far #1 masters etc) and it looks like GM might be full with very little chance of ever getting in since it's SO hard to drop out of GM once your there. (literally impossible just play a game a day and you will never drop out) While I agree with you im just curious if you think it matters whether or not you are in GM? What if you are high rank master playing GM players all the time? Like what benefit is there from being GM... not trying to be rude or anything, just asking.
I personally don't care, and it would make no difference from my laddering standpoint. but for a semipro player like me without much exposure- just having the credibility to be able to use when you approach a team manager or deal with any business it's easier to say you're top 200 grandmasters than just high masters which isn't as clearly defined.
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It's all just about when you play.
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On November 02 2011 05:19 stOpSKY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:13 LuckyFool wrote:
whoever mentioned the MMR cap thing might be right. I think everyones collective MMR rose higher than it had been in the past and blizzard didn't account for that so any sort of algorithims used to determine GM status were shooting too low. At least that seems like one likely possiblity. Previous season GM's should have reserved slots as well or at least bonuses if they are still active.
I really hope they do something about it because I'm sure I deserve a GM spot on NA (top 70 last season, played 80 games this season so far #1 masters etc) and it looks like GM might be full with very little chance of ever getting in since it's SO hard to drop out of GM once your there. (literally impossible just play a game a day and you will never drop out) While I agree with you im just curious if you think it matters whether or not you are in GM? What if you are high rank master playing GM players all the time? Like what benefit is there from being GM... not trying to be rude or anything, just asking.
People can't add you as friend nor could they chat with you, giving you a strong defense vs bm after game messages.
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hmm yea im pretty disappointed as well. not to say that i definently should've gotten in, but i started to believe when i hit top 200 and kept climbing, and started to play top gm's like DDE , idra, etc.. just yesterday i beat maybe 3-4 gm's outve 10 games, and one of them was ex-rank 4 gm... zzzzzzz. it definently glitched this is retarded.
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On November 02 2011 05:21 stOpSKY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:18 M[a]LiCe wrote:On November 02 2011 05:10 stOpSKY wrote:
I'll agree there seems to be something odd about it. I mean... a zerg thats 3-11 and who was a mediocre master level last season is on it? Makes no sense.
But what I dont get is why some people say they are bitter or get butthurt over it..... as long as you are playing people who are giving you a challenge and you are improving... who cares what league the ladder says you are in. People like rewards for their efforts. The entire purpose of Blizzard's ladder is to reward players through league promotions. If the promotion to the highest of leagues is faulty, you can't understand why people would be upset? I just dont understand why it matters whether you are a master player playing GMs or a GM playing GMs. Its the same thing and isnt the overall goal just to improve and be a better player and practice? If top GMs were given like auto tourney invites to blizz or something I can better understand though.
You've posted the same thing 3 times, we get your point.
It matters to some people, if it shouldn't matter then Blizzard should just get rid of GM league, they instituted it in the first place for people to see who the top 200 players are.
Also some things (eg. BlizzCon Qualifiers) seem to be based on ladder performance (see: OstojiY) so it does have some tangible effects as well. And when you're trying to sell yourself to sponsors, it looks a lot better if your players are in GM as opposed to Masters.
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I dont understand why blizzard lets people who dont play keep their rank. Its ridiculous.
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speaking of GM..anyone know when GM season opens on KR?
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Deezer + 90% "randoms".
Hope they fix it.
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i don't think there should be reserved spots; it needs to be a dynamic system in which people can drop out and come in at any time. this way you get the very best, most active people into gm.
that is what gm should be, a list of the very best players. clearly it's broken; i only hope blizzard can do i good job fixing it. i'm skeptical though...
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On November 02 2011 05:35 CycoDude wrote:
i don't think there should be reserved spots; it needs to be a dynamic system in which people can drop out and come in at any time. this way you get the very best, most active people into gm.
that is what gm should be, a list of the very best players. clearly it's broken; i only hope blizzard can do i good job fixing it. i'm skeptical though...
Exactly... this whole "protect the first 200 to get into GM" is a retarded method.
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I think blizzard should reset the mmr next season if we indeed get capped. I also think they should remove the bonus pool cap to make up for the fuckup that happened. Aka bottom GM can get demoted for more skilled players.
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This is what happens when you have a static, hidden rating system with a visible, meaningless points system that resets periodically.
I'd also like to echo the sentiment from the first page that people are realizing it's better to start a new account and feed off set MMR than to try to improve your own, relatively static MMR.
They shoulda just stuck with ELO, sadly, it's more meaningful than what exists.
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GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =]
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On November 02 2011 04:08 Incognoto wrote:
Lol some of them have 1 loss and are GM. :p
the whole point is getting the highest mmr players in gm
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On November 02 2011 05:46 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:08 Incognoto wrote:
Lol some of them have 1 loss and are GM. :p the whole point is getting the highest mmr players in gm
which they clearly aren't.
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Seems like something is different this season(maybe the mmr cap as some have said) but I thought it was common knowledge that it is a pretty crappy system to begin with.
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On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =]
Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record?
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But no one cares about NA ladder anyways, getting grandmasters on it means nothing,
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On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =]
I'm sorry but I worked hard for GM and who the fuck are you to call me a scrub ?
my VTdesRow account was in top10 of master league last season (top10 overall) my desrow account was at 62% before reset. My MMR's are high enough to be in GM. Just like my EU account was facing top50 GM on EU at 53%winratio will probably get GM tomorrow as well.
PS: I know NA is bad during the day that's why I only laddered in week ends on NA and laddered on EU/KR during the week
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man i was on the way to being gm first time...played like 150 games in 4 days...then i started slumping...lost like 20 of my last 24 =[ really depressed. felt like i was finally ready to make step to being semi-pro but i guess not =[</3
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Has the same issue happened on EU or any other server? Or was NA first wave of GM for season 4?
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On November 02 2011 05:54 LuckyFool wrote:
Has the same issue happened on EU or any other server? Or was NA first wave of GM for season 4?
I think EU comes out tomorrow.
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On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record?
u can check the replay i posted on TL hacker database recently and judge
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oh i just found out the GM league started for this season. sadly im not in it :S
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On November 02 2011 05:54 IdrA wrote:
its blizzard who cares
all the people trying to become somewhat known outside of tournaments
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its compeltely normal that the first 200 top 400 MMR players that try to get GM get promoted and others that w8 too long might not.
its like that from the first gm season on, dno why we need that thread every season.
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On November 02 2011 05:59 ThisGS wrote:
its compeltely normal that the first 200 top 400 MMR players that try to get GM get promoted and others that w8 too long might not.
its like that from the first gm season on, dno why we need that thread every season.
What happened this season isn't close to being normal, last season there were still 100+ spots open by like 3PM EST and it was during the summer. GM usually fills up the following day or a few days after it comes out, not 4 hours after it comes out.
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On November 02 2011 05:59 ThisGS wrote:
its compeltely normal that the first 200 top 400 MMR players that try to get GM get promoted and others that w8 too long might not.
its like that from the first gm season on, dno why we need that thread every season.
Yah, makes sense that people who have jobs/school don't get a chance. They waited too long (8 hours lol) so they are obviously bad players who don't deserve GM.
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On November 02 2011 05:56 RastaMonsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record? u can check the replay i posted on TL hacker database recently and judge
Or just scroll down a bit more and see JasonX's reply, making you seem like an idiot
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On November 02 2011 06:01 Horuku wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:59 ThisGS wrote:
its compeltely normal that the first 200 top 400 MMR players that try to get GM get promoted and others that w8 too long might not.
its like that from the first gm season on, dno why we need that thread every season. Yah, makes sense that people who have jobs/school don't get a chance. They waited too long (8 hours lol) so they are obviously bad players who don't deserve GM.
well, usually it takes more then 8 hours oO
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Yeah, I noticed people who are on there with 0 wins and 1 loss... Also, normal people like idra and destiny aren't on there... Something's wrong.
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GM is first come first serve basis when it starts.. oh wells ~
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On November 02 2011 06:03 strength wrote:
GM is first come first serve basis when it starts.. oh wells ~
used to be not that way.
seems like it this season though
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On November 02 2011 05:55 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:54 LuckyFool wrote:
Has the same issue happened on EU or any other server? Or was NA first wave of GM for season 4? I think EU comes out tomorrow.
Hope they don't make the same mistakes there.... It pretty much invalidates the point of having a GM league which should be the top 200 players in a region not November 1st AM warriors.
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On November 02 2011 06:08 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:55 SyNc` wrote:On November 02 2011 05:54 LuckyFool wrote:
Has the same issue happened on EU or any other server? Or was NA first wave of GM for season 4? I think EU comes out tomorrow. Hope they don't make the same mistakes there.... It pretty much invalidates the point of having a GM league which should be the top 200 players in a region not November 1st AM warriors.
true, but you still need to be top 500 at least to get in^^
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To all the people BMing desRow and other people who in your opinion "aren't good enough", think about the hours those people have put into ladder and the work they have done. They worked extremely hard to get something, so I really am going to say tough luck to your favourite people. They will anyway all play each other.
Idra may play lots of customs, and he is well aware that playing customs won't help him get into GM. Not exactly like he should care about GM either, he does well anyways.
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Then just make 500 slots in GM or make it easier to drop out.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy
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why do they even have an MMR cap (if they do). Would it be because of those forever bronzes who has negative MMRs? Did they make an MMR floor, so then they had to make an MMR ceiling? If so thats kind of dumb, MMR ceiling makes no sense, and makes ladder even worse of a form of practice. Why would someone like say, Idra, want to ladder on NA when all the people he's facing (who would have the same MMR, the max) wouldn't even be close to his skill level?
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On November 02 2011 06:16 Chriamon wrote:
why do they even have an MMR cap (if they do). Would it be because of those forever bronzes who has negative MMRs? Did they make an MMR floor, so then they had to make an MMR ceiling? If so thats kind of dumb, MMR ceiling makes no sense, and makes ladder even worse of a form of practice. Why would someone like say, Idra, want to ladder on NA when all the people he's facing (who would have the same MMR, the max) wouldn't even be close to his skill level?
apparently, they made a ceiling because top top players could not find ladder games after long times of queues because their mmr was very high
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If you want to see how the GM process should be working (and has worked), take a look at how china is currently:
http://www.battlenet.com.cn/sc2/zh/ladder/grandmaster
All active players. Those with low amounts of games this season, look at their past season, see they were GM last season and extremely active.
Something screwed up on NA.
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On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy
Deezer....is exactly that dude. rofl
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On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy
We'll need the following footnote:
"I'm GM*"
*denotes season 4 NA
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Anyone who finds this surprising obviously didn't play WoW during the earlier arena seasons
When I saw they were changing the ladder length, the first thing I thought was "they are going to fuck up GM for sure".
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On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy
The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder.
That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper.
If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
On November 02 2011 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder. That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper. If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player.
Well..... I mean, yeah. Of course they didn't just "get in" to GM. Surely they played a lot to get there. All I'm saying is, I just don't want someone getting a cocky attitude because they're in GM. And I don't want someone shoving it in other's people's face just cause their GM.
GM is a privilege that shouldn't be abused, that's all I'm saying
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Do you think that a 52% gm/50% masters player should have made GM in a non-broken system? They probably simply had lower mmr's than all the current people in GM.
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Just an idea
Blizzard should at least implicate a system where you have to play a minimum number of games at reset before even getting considered back into GM. Same for players trying to get in.
At that point it would force those 0-1 players to have the chance to tank their rating and give opportunity to others.
At that point I'm totally fine for example desrow having two accounts. If he's worked his ass off on two accounts and grinded it out at reset, then more power to him.
That should help the whole first 200 with a near enough MMR to get in, that played.
Reseting MMR or opening 500 slots is obnoxious.
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i dont think its an error i think its just some people playing ladder more than others....
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There is a girl in GM, I WANT TOO MARRY HER LOL
"Miishelle"
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On November 02 2011 06:35 Ryze wrote:
i dont think its an error i think its just some people playing ladder more than others....
the system isn't designed to account for the amount of ladder games being played. It's designed to base it off of mmr. So because somebody else has more wins than idra doesn't mean that the system believes they're a better player. The whole purpose of mmr is to avoid basing skill off of total wins.
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On November 02 2011 06:33 Validity wrote:Do you think that a 52% gm/50% masters player should have made GM in a non-broken system? They probably simply had lower mmr's than all the current people in GM.
Blizzard thinks they shouldve.
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On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record?
He's in my clan, RH. I'm not sure where the hacking accusations are coming from - I've never heard anyone insinuate that before.
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The GM system is terrible and should be scrapped.
I can't comprehend why its even in the game...
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On November 02 2011 06:31 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder. That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper. If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player. Well..... I mean, yeah. Of course they didn't just "get in" to GM. Surely they played a lot to get there. All I'm saying is, I just don't want someone getting a cocky attitude because they're in GM. And I don't want someone shoving it in other's people's face just cause their GM. GM is a privilege that shouldn't be abused, that's all I'm saying
People who will be cocky jerks in GMs would have been cocky jerks in Masters. Heck, I've seen Gold league players smack talking silver leaguers because they are "rank 1 gold". What actual rank somebody is has no effect on whether or not they are cocky.
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On November 02 2011 06:35 Ryze wrote:
i dont think its an error i think its just some people playing ladder more than others....
Rofl you say that cause you got promoted? Anyway that theory doesn't stand. 200 people were promoted because they played this morning/early afternoon. Normally it takes like 2-3 days to fill up GM (past seasons) because system had locked up places for some players (i think)
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its seems pretty broken, hopefully blizzard will fix this ASAP!
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It's just a little symbol by your name.
It doesn't mean anything.
That guy complaining that his team of 9 gms now only has 1 gm is missing the point. Your players aren't any worse than they were yesterday.
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weird it didn't reserve me a spot... I think it did last season so hopefully this will get fixed, seems like it just took the first people with a high-masters MMR and gave it to them...
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Meh, the entire concept is flawed because it's not fluid. I personally don't think there should even be a separate GrandMaster league. They should just remain in their respective master leagues and have some type of flag set when they're in the Top 200 MMR with some penalty for bonus pool accumulation. There should be a separate view like there is now where you can list them relative to each other so noobs can drool, but it shouldn't be an entirely different league, imo. Could easily make them stand out in their current league as well. The logistics are too troublesome and it becomes far too stagnant.
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On November 02 2011 06:31 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On November 02 2011 06:14 Seeker wrote:
This what I'm most worried about:
Guy plays game
Guy realizes he got into GM
Guy realizes that he's now probably better than 90% of players out there in NA
Guy realizes he can now be cocky as shit and when ppl call him out for it he'll be like "I'm GM bitch, what are you?"
Guy starts giving advice to ppl when he shouldn't
Guy realizes his advice is shit but he doesn't care because ppl take it anyway because "he's GM"
Guy ruins SC2
Guy still remains anonymous
Guy is still GM
sigh.... fuck that guy The GM debacle this season only means that amazing players are losing GM spots to slightly less amazing players. Fact is that you don't get to Masters by being bad. You might be bad compared to the pro's and other Master level players but you are still better than 80% of the ladder. That or you're a cheater and a stream sniper. If someone made it into GM that means they were Masters. I'd still take advice from a Master level player. Well..... I mean, yeah. Of course they didn't just "get in" to GM. Surely they played a lot to get there. All I'm saying is, I just don't want someone getting a cocky attitude because they're in GM. And I don't want someone shoving it in other's people's face just cause their GM. GM is a privilege that shouldn't be abused, that's all I'm saying
They've earned the cocky attitude though. I know it sucks when players are d-bags but if they're good players, they get to be d-bags.
They do run the risk of pissing off an even better player though which is why I suppose they might not want to talk too much smack. GM doesn't mean a whole lot when a pro is calling you bad.
But if a GM wants to talk smack about my platinum league, they've kinda earned the right to do it. The most I can do is walk away and come back later. Or get better than them so I can smack them myself when they get mouthy.
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hmm seems really really strange tbh, i didnt care about ladder season 3 and was down in the dumps at rank 77 while dde was consistantly top 8. me and dde played the same amount of games during the week (13) and i lost 5 of them yet im promoted and he isnt? It seems like ALOT of weak master players that i don't really think are at that level yet got promoted.
Edit: consistently top 1
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well honestly, im still hoping that they do something to fix this now. If they do try to reset it, then they should do it in like two days or something, or on the weekend, so that those who are actually skilled have enough time to ladder.
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On November 02 2011 06:46 VTPerfect wrote:
hmm seems really really strange tbh, i didnt care about ladder season 3 and was down in the dumps at rank 77 while dde was consistantly top 8. me and dde played the same amount of games during the week (13) and i lost 5 of them yet im promoted and he isnt? It seems like ALOT of weak master players that i don't really think are at that level yet got promoted.
difference is, you played early enough when 200 wasn't filled and dde didnt get on till gm got filled.
apparently, previous seasons, GM spots were reserved for top 200 mmr, and only if someone below raised their MMR
above them they got to take away a spot from the reserved people. However this season, it seems that the cut off MMR was very low and so GM got filled very fast by people above probably top 400~ mmr or something.
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On November 02 2011 06:40 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record? He's in my clan, RH. I'm not sure where the hacking accusations are coming from - I've never heard anyone insinuate that before.
He's definitely not a hacker. The only thing that's strange is that he's suddenly doing quite well on ladder and I remember playing him on ladder last season 3 times and 3-0ing him, but that's probably due to him playing random (?) instead of terran.
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On November 02 2011 06:44 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
weird it didn't reserve me a spot... I think it did last season so hopefully this will get fixed, seems like it just took the first people with a high-masters MMR and gave it to them...
I feel for you man, been watching you grind it out since reset and have a great record.
Hopefully blizzard take a look at it it and gets you back in there.
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On November 02 2011 06:48 eourcs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:40 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 02 2011 05:51 T.O.P. wrote:On November 02 2011 05:44 RastaMonsta wrote:
GM is a joke this season. They should at least open it up in the evening when most of the good players play. Alot of players are busy during the day with school/work. All the scubs who play in the morning for easier wins made it. example- Desrow and Deezer and hackers like JasonX. At least the hacker oGsNada poser and SGTofLuck arent in =] Who is this JasonX guy? How does he have such a good record? He's in my clan, RH. I'm not sure where the hacking accusations are coming from - I've never heard anyone insinuate that before. He's definitely not a hacker. The only thing that's strange is that he's suddenly doing quite well on ladder and I remember playing him on ladder last season 3 times and 3-0ing him, but that's probably due to him playing random (?) instead of terran.
Playing a lot on ladder will almost assuredly get you 50-50 though. At one point last season I was something like 181-181 overall, yet like rank 2 masters overall (not my division... overall). So yeah, you can't use win ratio to really judge, methinks.
Also, it's interesting playing him. I used to crush him pretty easily too, at least I felt, but lately he's gotten the better of me repeatedly. Streaks happen, who knows if my early beating him or him now beating me is just one of those.
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I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in.
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On November 02 2011 06:44 Gimix wrote:
It's just a little symbol by your name.
It doesn't mean anything.
That guy complaining that his team of 9 gms now only has 1 gm is missing the point. Your players aren't any worse than they were yesterday.
I care about GM not as an indication of my personal skill. It's a tool that can be used when approaching new teams, talking about strategy in fourms and just generally something a player can use to help reference their relative skill level.
I care nothing about the icon but everything I just mentioned means something to me.
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I think they just fucked up the slot reserve system. Instead of the taking the top 200 by MMR who have played a game since GM opened and reserving slots for the deserving, it took the first 200 masters to play in that time frame. Definitely need to reset the GM ladder in a few days.
I know where I am on the ladder, middling masters player and there are people who finished last season 3-400 points below me who happened to play a game and place GM. Obviously a bug.
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Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder.
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On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder.
I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR
and got rewarded for being AFK.
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On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK.
If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3?
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Yes it seems flawed but I doubt the pros care. The best players know ladder means nothing (especially NA GM). Only casuals probably care.
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People who say "who cares, GM is just a title" are both wrong and right. Yes, it's mostly just a title, but for obvious reasons it's something a lot of people care about. It's the same reason why people care so much about getting promoted, even if the actual promotion doesn't do anything to their skill level or the skill level of the people they play.
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On November 02 2011 07:09 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK. If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3?
If GM is supposed to be 'earned' then you should have to play more games than 1, to get back into it, or get into it in general. That's why it's season 4 not season 3.
The MMR and wins will come if you're a skilled enough player to be in GM.
People are getting rewarded for doing well in season 3 and afk'ing into season 4.
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On November 02 2011 07:09 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK. If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3?
except the problem is is they dont have the mmr to justify being gm in season 4. For example, taking the OP's example "some feel rain", he was 1440 points last season(compared to the plethora amount of people, myself included, who are hundreds of ponts above.)
Heck I just realized the reason I don't recognize a significant part of these people is because they're actually LOWER than me and I don't play them! These people, who win one game(and lose in many cases), get to be in gm EVEN with a lower mmr. Meanwhile me, who woke up at 4 am just so he could get extra time to play before school, and played for hours after school, and had the mmr to get in, was screwed over because I go to school. Sorry for raging but I feel it T_T
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On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder.
You are correct that winrate doesn't matter to a certain extent, but the system is supposed to reserve spots. People like idra, DDE and ostojiy don't just suddenly drop their MMR from top of GM to below the cutoff for GM. That's why it's most likely broken.
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Not sure why GM is even a locked league, would have been more interesting if people actually moved up and down out of it once per week or so. Say the bottom 10% gets replaced each week with the top MMR outside GM.
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Does anyone here in the thread know how many hours it takes for EU gm to start? dont know if i should sleep or stay up^^
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On November 02 2011 07:22 ThisGS wrote:
Does anyone here in the thread know how many hours it takes for EU gm to start? dont know if i should sleep or stay up^^
Stay up and hit that 5 hour energy black label
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Just got home and GM is full... -.-
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On November 02 2011 07:17 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:09 Dfgj wrote:On November 02 2011 07:07 IINcheezhead wrote:On November 02 2011 07:02 Treva wrote:
Why do people assume these people's ladder w/l ratios matter when MMR is the reason you are in top 200 or not, so someone has a - w/l ratio and is in GM, that doesn't mean they don't deserve or shouldn't be in GM. There were a lot of people last season who had top 200 MMR but couldn't get in so now some of those people are getting in ahead of others who 'deserve' to be there because they are playing more. It's kind of cool to see a lot of new names in GM, shows that people are working harder. I agree except the fact the amount of 0-1's that got in off season 3 MMR and got rewarded for being AFK. If they had enough MMR in season 3, then surely they're being rewarded for... winning in season 3? except the problem is is they dont have the mmr to justify being gm in season 4. For example, taking the OP's example "some feel rain", he was 1440 points last season(compared to the plethora amount of people, myself included, who are hundreds of ponts above.) Heck I just realized the reason I don't recognize a significant part of these people is because they're actually LOWER than me and I don't play them! These people, who win one game(and lose in many cases), get to be in gm EVEN with a lower mmr. Meanwhile me, who woke up at 4 am just so he could get extra time to play before school, and played for hours after school, and had the mmr to get in, was screwed over because I go to school. Sorry for raging but I feel it T_T
Then the problem isn't them 'afking into season 4', it's the system not correctly accounting for people passing them. If you have enough MMR at the end of season 3 to still make top 200, you should certainly get back into GM after 1 game. If not, then you shouldn't - that's the issue.
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I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof.
I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not.
I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!!
http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze
... seriously... B.Net 0.2
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Yay, this was exactly what I was hoping for. Hopefully blizzard fixes it's overall system. Only thing I regret is not getting a spot myself
Hopefully GM will become dynamic now...
edit: Vinx, they are waiting until you start losing and stabilize your MMR to promote you. That part isn't bugged. (you might get promoted straight to plat)
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On November 02 2011 06:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in.
I have 95 bonus pool on VTdesRow being 1-0 does that mean im going to get demoted the next game I play ?
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On November 02 2011 07:29 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in. I have 95 bonus pool on VTdesRow being 1-0 does that mean im going to get demoted the next game I play ?
He said that you need to have <90 bonus pool to get promoted to GM, not demoted.
The cap for demotion is 180 or something, don't know for sure tho.
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On November 02 2011 07:29 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in. I have 95 bonus pool on VTdesRow being 1-0 does that mean im going to get demoted the next game I play ?
Haha. That is interesting. Although you don't meet the entry conditions, you also don't meet the ejection conditions. 181 bonus pool is the ejection point.
It's almost like GM is being treated like a regular league rather than requiring certain rules. I wonder if you bomb a bunch of matches if you get demoted while this bug is in effect.
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On November 02 2011 07:29 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 06:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in. I have 95 bonus pool on VTdesRow being 1-0 does that mean im going to get demoted the next game I play ?
i dont think 90 is the real number.
+ Once youre in, you wont get demoted by losing anymore, just by inactivity which means something like 2xx bonuspool i believe?
not an expert on this one.
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hi guys there's bigger issues than just messed up GM assignment. I'm not getting wins or pts for my wins in my division and my league icon is missing in the score screen after games...o_O;
it still shows as I got points in my match history (+16 etc) but my points don't change on my ladder.
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Huum, last time I looked through the list I could not find MajOrs account (NoNge) which surprised me because he had one of the most ridiculous w/l ratio i had seen last season.
Hes there now. Either I didnt look properly (as did some other people, as I read MajOr didnt get in somewhere else too) or people are actually getting demoted without getting their bonus pool at 200+
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On November 02 2011 07:24 birdkicker wrote:
Just got home and GM is full... -.-
Wait till you see the players that got in it ^^.
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On November 02 2011 07:40 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:29 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 06:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
I don't want people thinking that just because an MMR cap exists that there are many players who have actually reached that cap. I would estimate that only about the top 20 or so GM players would ever reach the cap. This isn't an MMR cap issue, something else went wrong which allowed players to place directly into Grandmaster, which should never happen ever.
The way Grandmaster is supposed to work is that out of all the players who have bonus pools below 90 (and I believe if you aren't placed, you don't receive a bonus pool and therefore don't count among these players), it surveys whoever has the top 200 MMR moving average and creates an entry threshold at the #200 marker. Whoever gets beyond this point by winning a game after GM league opens, gets in. I have 95 bonus pool on VTdesRow being 1-0 does that mean im going to get demoted the next game I play ? Haha. That is interesting. Although you don't meet the entry conditions, you also don't meet the ejection conditions. 181 bonus pool is the ejection point. It's almost like GM is being treated like a regular league rather than requiring certain rules. I wonder if you bomb a bunch of matches if you get demoted while this bug is in effect.
well i probably didnt have more than 90 at noon EST today =P
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On November 02 2011 07:42 LuckyFool wrote:
hi guys there's bigger issues than just messed up GM assignment. I'm not getting wins or pts for my wins in my division and my league icon is missing in the score screen after games...o_O;
it still shows as I got points in my match history (+16 etc) but my points don't change on my ladder.
same for me. I was GM last season also and shows no icon and no points, somethings goin on for sure
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On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2
Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal.
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I think all these errors are due to the fact that the time between ladder reset and GM league opening up has been reduced by a week.
When ladder is first reset, the MMR is really volatile. I noticed friends who were 1700+ pts facing people with less than 1400 pts. Sometimes you'd face a player that was wayy above you in skill. A 1400pt player can randomly take games off of GM or high masters player because, while not being terrible, they can have some random play that players have never seen before and throw others off.
Before the reset, your MMR might look like a logarithmic curve. After the reset, it might look more like a sin curve (minus negatives) because you're randomly loosing to bad players that you wouldn't have ever faced before.
Since Blizz takes moving avgs, players who would originally have had a high MMR pre-reset don't anymore because of losses to low MMR and bad players might be able to just get on a win streak and have a higher moving average. So, the top 200 reserved slots get replaced quickly.
That would also explain why the GM league filled so quickly. I remember it took a couple of days before, now, it was filled before 3pm EST.
that's my theory anyways
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wow that one guys last game was played in august. I bet he was surprised when he got grandmaster after months of not playing.
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just noticed that one. points, wins, losses. wtf
archaic MSI EdgE is an amazing zerg, but he is australian and is therefore very quiet on the international scene, much like deth, YYJ, mafia, jazbas and rossi, all very talented players that are unknown because australians are segregated into a small private SEA server with a bad latency connection to any of the other servers.
edge even had a smurf in GM on the korean server last season, everyone loses games, in random orders, he just happened to lose a few after he got into GM. he takes games off players such as bomber and sase, but remember ladder is not a competition to see who is the best, those are tournaments, the ladder is a tool for practice, and a tool for fun, so it really means nothing about whether or not he is a deserving player
I realise the point u were trying to make, with an account having a negative win loss ratio being accepted into GM, but unfortunately you just chose a bad example lol.
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On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal.
Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh?
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this is going to be fixed in some days...
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On November 02 2011 08:04 Vinx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal. Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh?
Because your MMR has not stabilized yet to anything because it keeps rising.
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the ladder isnt broken for everyone I have a feeling players who are "supposed" to be GM are having issues because other #1 masters players are reporting the same issues I'm having...
this blows >_<
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On November 02 2011 08:04 Vinx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal. Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh?
I think what he was saying is that you will continue to not get promoted till you start to lose then it will know where to place you. IE to start losing to Diamonds you are platish and if you start losing to masters you are diamondish.
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On November 02 2011 08:09 LuckyFool wrote:
the ladder isnt broken for everyone I have a feeling players who are "supposed" to be GM are having issues because other #1 masters players are reporting the same issues I'm having...
this blows >_<
Just verified on some people I would qualify as grandmasters lock, and their point totals dont add up. Always short on dem pointz.
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I'm 15-1 in high masters this season and didn't get GM. Travesty.
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On November 02 2011 08:04 Vinx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal. Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh?
Because Blizzard has stated people who purposefully get demoted to newb bash will have extra hard time advancing back up the leagues.
Also you have to lose to get promoted
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On November 02 2011 08:19 Djeez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:09 LuckyFool wrote:
the ladder isnt broken for everyone I have a feeling players who are "supposed" to be GM are having issues because other #1 masters players are reporting the same issues I'm having...
this blows >_< Just verified on some people I would qualify as grandmasters lock, and their point totals dont add up. Always short on dem pointz.
So, I can officially confirm some people that SHOULD be in Grandmasters (Ret, dKiller...) are not receiving their points for their wins. Not sure about losses. I also think the point system stopped working sometimes this afternoon, and not with the grandmaster opening (not 100% sure but it seems to be the case, implying Blizzard either noticed something, or an actual bug happened this afternoon).
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On November 02 2011 08:27 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:04 Vinx wrote:On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal. Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh? Also you have to lose to get promoted
No you don't
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150367
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On November 02 2011 08:34 Bizarro252 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:27 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 02 2011 08:04 Vinx wrote:On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal. Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh? Also you have to lose to get promoted No you don't http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150367
that guide is talking about CauthonLuck though. I doubt its uptodateness
I also doubt uptodateness of my knowledge however.
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On November 02 2011 08:37 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:34 Bizarro252 wrote:On November 02 2011 08:27 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 02 2011 08:04 Vinx wrote:On November 02 2011 07:51 FairForever wrote:On November 02 2011 07:27 Vinx wrote:I actually think things are bugged... here is my proof. I am usually plat ranked. I let my gf play a couple dozen games while I was gone for work at the start of Season 4. She got me placed in bronze... no problem... I'll just game my way back up. I know I can.... apparently not. I'm 75-2 and the #4 Ranked Bronze Player IN THE WORLD!!! http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/all/bronze... seriously... B.Net 0.2 Completely unrelated issue. If you lose 24 games in a row of course your MMR is going to drop like a fly. I think that's normal. Yeah.. Thank you captain obvious.. but why doesn't it go back up? I play nothing but plat players but no promotions? by your logic 24 > 75??? huh? Also you have to lose to get promoted No you don't http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150367 that guide is talking about CauthonLuck though. I doubt its uptodateness I also doubt uptodateness of my knowledge however.
You don't have to lose to get promoted anymore.
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its accurate, any top player who didn't make it just didn't play, and odds are their mmr got passed or equaled? i know they lowered the cap or whatever. Stupid system though, lucky i had an 8 am class.
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I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre
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Why is everyone upset about not making GM? It's just another division that makes you feel like an elitist when you make it in, as to everyone who is currently crying now because 'they deserve' to be in there but didn't get in, this mentality just proves that it makes you think you're better then everyone else.
The only people who 'deserve' to be in there are pros that are easily a tier above ladder players. Examples are DDE, IdrA and Rain. That should be what GM means, people who are a tier above ladder standards.
Edit: I'm not saying the players currently who are in there should be in there, I'm just saying a lot of these post of people who aren't known that well outside of their clans are saying they should be in there instead of these other people.
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not about GM but I was top in my Diamond then the new season starts, i win the placement then I get shot down to Platinum and now I have to play my way just to get the top of plat
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ok so my match history says i won 17 pts for last game -_- but my ladder pts went up 2 pts =) i love u blizzard! my icon next to name is also missing at endgame screen -_-
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On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre
nope..
you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it.
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On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it.
I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion?
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On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion?
it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf !
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On November 02 2011 04:12 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:11 -Illusion- wrote:
Grandmaster this season is going to be a joke; it's not very easy to drop out - you only have to play one game a day lmao. Not totally true though - if you're a low masters player, you're playing low masters even when you're in GM. Because your rank is so much higher than your opponent's MMR, you'll be gaining like 2 - 3 points per game won (if that). Still, they could theoretically stay in GM.
No, you can't be demoted out of GM. You can only be kicked out due to inactivity. You have to build up 2 weeks of bonus pool. Other than that, there's no way to drop from GM.
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On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf !
I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns.
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On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns.
Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there?
You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are?
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On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are?
I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above.
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On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above.
Top 100 masters =/= Top 100 MMR. MMR carries over from season to season and the players who got in had high enough MMR to get into GM. The system has nothing to do with ladder points. If it was then you would be in GM. It's been like that since GM came out.
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On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above.
mans gotta point, GM ladder glitched or something
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On November 02 2011 10:23 memcpy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above. Top 100 masters =/= Top 100 MMR. MMR carries over from season to season and the players who got in had high enough MMR to get into GM. The system has nothing to do with ladder points. If it was then you would be in GM. It's been like that since GM came out.
How does your post explain what I said about IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim, Kiwi and others? Do they not have incredibly high MMR?
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On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above.
I was top100 in masters before GM last season and I didn't make it in. All I'm saying is with the amountof smurfs and pros that dont play inbetween the reset and when GM start, top100 is not enough you need top50 or even top30 to be guaranteed a spot so saying i was rank 90 i deserve to be there is not accurate
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Anyone claiming that their wasn't a glitch is clearly daft. If your argument is that someone didn't get in because its mmr based your just wrong because plenty of people with gigantic mmrs didn't get in. Blizzard made some sort of mistake. If they will fix it or not is the real question because to do so would rob some ppl of their gm spots even if they were unjustly earned and i have a feeling blizzard wont do that from a customer service standpoint, However on the other hand you have other ppl that deserve to be in gm not getting in also getting ripped off so whatever blizzard does someone will end up with the short end of the stick. But all the arguing about i should have got in or you shouldn't have is pointless. In my opinion you should never be guaranteed a spot based on last seasons performance but it should be a set number of games (50 during 1st week imo) coupled with your mmr. Thus the most active / skilled people would be the ones getting the gm slots. It baffles me to think that anyone could get in to the most prestigious league in sc2 with an 0-1 record. It just makes no sense, if you want to be in gm you should have to put in the time during the first week like everyone else.
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normally during a season when a gm spot opens up, it usualy takes the next highest mmr in the masters league, meaning its in a way reserved, assuming you are active, and not open to whoever just masses games. So this season gm when you look at it and some pros havn't gone in, the spots weren't reserved for those with high mmr. (eg dde) So obv its broken and should be fixed soon...
You look at some of the past season for gm players? 1 of them was diamond ffs... Bottom gm mostly mid master last season.
zzz, either way just play
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On November 02 2011 10:45 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above. I was top100 in masters before GM last season and I didn't make it in. All I'm saying is with the amountof smurfs and pros that dont play inbetween the reset and when GM start, top100 is not enough you need top50 or even top30 to be guaranteed a spot so saying i was rank 90 i deserve to be there is not accurate
I can understand that then, I think we both just communicated a little bit off and it led to a misunderstanding. GLHF to you as well.
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On November 02 2011 10:23 memcpy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above. Top 100 masters =/= Top 100 MMR. MMR carries over from season to season and the players who got in had high enough MMR to get into GM. The system has nothing to do with ladder points. If it was then you would be in GM. It's been like that since GM came out.
thanks, many people do not understand this...
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Everything with MMR/favored seems to be glitched right now.
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I don't see the issue?
A number of pros stop being incredibly active on ladder in preference of practicing in custom games and because they don't make grandmaster it must be bugged right?
The league placements work based on MMR, if someone is winning consistently to get a large MMR putting them near the top then they've earned their spot in GM league, even if they are a no-name.
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On November 02 2011 10:44 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:23 memcpy wrote:On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above. Top 100 masters =/= Top 100 MMR. MMR carries over from season to season and the players who got in had high enough MMR to get into GM. The system has nothing to do with ladder points. If it was then you would be in GM. It's been like that since GM came out. How does your post explain what I said about IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim, Kiwi and others? Do they not have incredibly high MMR?
Because the ladder was truly bugged this season as opposed to previous seasons. Generally when someone with super high MMR doesn't play and doesn't claim their GM spot, it will still be in a sense "reserved" for them during a period of time. Now GM will still eventually fill up without these pros because a variety of players drop in and out of top 200 MMR during the placement period (while those who are in GM and might've dropped out of top 200 MMR remain in GM). I'm not 100% sure it works exactly the way I described, or that blizzard's acceptance range necessarily isn't wider than merely the top200 MMR. Excalibur_z surely knows better. But it's a good enough explanation to show why being #90 master in ladder points has no bearing on GM.
*Edit: I'm not gaining any ladder points from wins either. Only losing them after losses. The post match window doesn't show a masters icon next to my nickname. It's just empty.
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Wow this is very weird, you should fix it soon ASAP. Major people like IdrA, DeMuslim, and all the progamers are going to be upset T_T
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A lot of people in denial about the ladder glitching it seems. lol
Give the "Points don't = MMR" a rest, you're actually arguing in favor of the glitch... does nobody know what MMR even means?
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On November 02 2011 11:38 T.Enex wrote:
Wow this is very weird, you should fix it soon ASAP. Major people like IdrA, DeMuslim, and all the progamers are going to be upset T_T
No Idra/demuslim won't care everyone know's how good they are and ladder is meaningless to them tournaments are their main focus.
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Must be a bug in the coding of how the automation grabs Master players and inserts them into the Grandmaster league. I don't know if they might change it but it seems off that people like Idra, Incontrol, KiWiKaKi aren't in the league. Oh well, they express their opinion as not caring so maybe we should not too.
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On November 02 2011 11:41 ThaZenith wrote:
A lot of people in denial about the ladder glitching it seems. lol
Give the "Points don't = MMR" a rest, you're actually arguing in favor of the glitch... does nobody know what MMR even means?
It means it's hidden and you can't see it, and it varies from what the actual points awarded are. You can have a very high MMR and a bad record/point total while someone with a lower MMR has a great record and more points.
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Heh, I hope this gets fixed asap, I heard from someone that they are gonna reset it so hopefully thats what happens, if I got GM just because of a bug then I don't want it, it doesn't mean anything so gogogo blizzard do something!!!.
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On November 02 2011 11:35 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 10:23 memcpy wrote:On November 02 2011 10:11 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:53 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 09:44 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:35 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 09:32 Fyrepower wrote:On November 02 2011 09:25 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 08:55 Fyrepower wrote:I was top 90 masters in NA when I went to sleep, figuring that I would be safe in my points and MMR until I would be able to play after school on the next day to get my promotion. Little did I know, when I logged on GM had already been completely filled with players that hadn't even played on the season... I know I'm not a pro but I think I'm more deserving than the majority of the last 50 in GM... http://sc2ranks.com/us/989883/bSunFyre nope.. you have to understand there's probably 89players ~ better than you and many pros who didnt play at all so lets say 30~40. then at least 50 of those people have a smurf who they laddered as well to get GM. That's how hard GM is to get if it didnt fuck up. Went to bed with 70th on desRow and i was skeptical i'd get it altho i had a sick mmr last season. with all the smurfs and the pros who dont play any game cus they know they have the mmr to get it, top50 in masters league will be the norm to have a shot at GM even higher than that VTdesRow was top10 in all masters last season and im sure i would have got it. I understand that there were 89 players that were either better or more active than I am, but the point of my argument is there are still at least 80 of those players that were ahead of me in masters yesterday are STILL listed as masters and didn't receive GM. And in response to your comment on MMR, I've been consistently beating current or last season GM's and many of the players in the lower portion of GM right now had match histories of playing low to mid masters and still managed to get in to GM. How does that mean that they are more qualified than I am for GM when they are playing lower ranked players and have less points, the two factors that determine league promotion? it's too easy to say that you deserved it. I guess we'll see next season glhf ! I have rankings and statistics to heavily support my argument. All you have in your argument is a system that only Blizzard knows about. You can hardly say you deserved it more when ALL you did for the season to get a GM rank on one account was play a 8 minute 4gate game on Xel'Naga Caverns. Why are you so upset about not making it? Why do you feel like you deserve to be in there? You don't deserve to be in there, that's the simple answer. Why do you feel like you deserve it more then the next 200 active top masters that are arguably better, if not as skilled as you are? I don't deserve to be there because I wasn't there at the right time you mean. Before GM opened, I was in the top 100 masters for AM, and as GM hadn't been out yet, that made me top 100 overall in AM. That's why I feel I deserve it. The way the GM rankings were is that the first 200 masters players that played after the GM patch came in to effect received GM. How do they deserve it more than me and the other people that were higher ranked than me? All that they did was be decently high ranked and at the right place at the right time. I wouldn't be complaining if 200 players that were legitimately better than me got GM. I don't think I'm better than desRow, and this wasn't a personal attack on him. This is me asking why while I was ranked higher and facing tougher opponents than a good amount of people in lower GM why I didn't get it. I'm upset about not making it because it's a competition. The whole point of competition is the best prevail, or in GM's case the top 200, and that didn't happen for this season of GM. You can see this when players like IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim and many other pros aren't in GM but instead people that have never been there before and are likely not as good as the players listed above. Top 100 masters =/= Top 100 MMR. MMR carries over from season to season and the players who got in had high enough MMR to get into GM. The system has nothing to do with ladder points. If it was then you would be in GM. It's been like that since GM came out. How does your post explain what I said about IdrA, Minigun, Destiny, DeMuslim, Kiwi and others? Do they not have incredibly high MMR? Because the ladder was truly bugged this season as opposed to previous seasons. Generally when someone with super high MMR doesn't play and doesn't claim their GM spot, it will still be in a sense "reserved" for them during a period of time. Now GM will still eventually fill up without these pros because a variety of players drop in and out of top 200 MMR during the placement period (while those who are in GM and might've dropped out of top 200 MMR remain in GM). I'm not 100% sure it works exactly the way I described, or that blizzard's acceptance range necessarily isn't wider than merely the top200 MMR. Excalibur_z surely knows better. But it's a good enough explanation to show why being #90 master in ladder points has no bearing on GM. *Edit: I'm not gaining any ladder points from wins either. Only losing them after losses. The post match window doesn't show a masters icon next to my nickname. It's just empty.
I am having the exact same issue...just that I only won 2 games which appear on history but not when i press view ladder.
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Coming from someone that has always had 2 Acc in GM, I really hope they reset GM and fix this because GM league becomes an utterly useless tool if i cant compare myself to people that actually belong there.
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Wow, there are a lot of stupid people who actually think this isn't a bug.
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I'm not surprised really. I mean blizzard is behind it.
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Well, this is the response that I got:
Thanks for the report. We've been in discussions with the Starcraft II development team to get some official messaging in that thread about the issue.
The thread being referenced is the Battle.net thread on this same issue. So, it seems we'll hear something eventually. Maybe not concrete details, but hopefully at least a plan of action and acknowledgment of the issue.
EDIT: And there's Daxxarri's response:
Thank you all for the reports!
I just wanted to reassure you that we’re already aware of this situation and are investigating it currently. We’ll provide further updates when they become available.
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On November 02 2011 04:18 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 04:15 Testuser wrote:
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just noticed that one. points, wins, losses. wtf EdgE has been high in the NA GM rankings in previous seasons. Going on a bad streak doesn't (and shouldn't) change that.
Thankyou Xeen.
Yeh the GM system is really fucking stupid. I have been GM before so I'm not a random who got it, but i have 330MS on NA now, and I only played on NA because Korea wasn't working for me and i couldn't get a game on SEA. I happened to hear GM was out and didn't expect to get in, then somehow got in when i had barely been playing on NA, and when I had i was on a loss streak.
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EdgE is one of my favourite players, if you hate EdgE you hate AMERICA.
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On November 02 2011 18:29 Skillver wrote:
Europe GM seems fine.
Europe is fine indeed but AM is bugged for sure.
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failed to gm on europe despite playing against mostly gms.
it hurts.
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Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D
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On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D
And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere.
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i have a question, do u need to win a game to be in GM? Because i did one game this morning,lost and didnt get GM
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On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D
lol ur still lurking the thread? only random scrubs are still proud of making GM. How about winning a tournament or joining a decent team instead of worrying about NA GM.
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On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D
haters gonna hate
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...desrow getting gm is a fluke. you can justify it all you want but you are a 50% player who matches up against mid masters mostly. sorry.
hopefully they fix it.
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On November 02 2011 22:10 BishOpmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere.
7post count and a hater
On November 02 2011 22:33 RastaMonsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D lol ur still lurking the thread? only random scrubs are still proud of making GM. How about winning a tournament or joining a decent team instead of worrying about NA GM.
17post count and a hater. btw im not joining any team even tho i could because i want to go to korea and korean teams dont let u in the house unless u join the team
On November 02 2011 22:49 FrostyMWheat wrote:
...desrow getting gm is a fluke. you can justify it all you want but you are a 50% player who matches up against mid masters mostly. sorry.
hopefully they fix it.
32post count and a hater again
had 62% on desrow and 53% on vtdesrow and i did play mid-high GM's but yeah fuck you
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On November 02 2011 23:19 desRow wrote:32post count and a hater again had 62% on desrow and 53% on vtdesrow and i did play mid-high GM's but yeah fuck you
yeah you where around rank 350 in NA gz =)
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So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either.
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On November 02 2011 23:19 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:10 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere. 7post count and a hater Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:33 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D lol ur still lurking the thread? only random scrubs are still proud of making GM. How about winning a tournament or joining a decent team instead of worrying about NA GM. 17post count and a hater. btw im not joining any team even tho i could because i want to go to korea and korean teams dont let u in the house unless u join the team Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:49 FrostyMWheat wrote:
...desrow getting gm is a fluke. you can justify it all you want but you are a 50% player who matches up against mid masters mostly. sorry.
hopefully they fix it. 32post count and a hater again had 62% on desrow and 53% on vtdesrow and i did play mid-high GM's but yeah fuck you
everybody be hatin on the big boss!
on a more serious note, hope they fix it and maybe add some incentives for the pros to keep laddering!
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lol desrow, i doubt any team would take you, why would you go to Korea when you struggle on NA? Makes no sense. Keep practicing your mid masters NA MMR
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There is an error. I'm not on it
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On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either.
dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly....
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On November 02 2011 23:24 RastaMonsta wrote:
lol desrow, i doubt any team would take you, why would you go to Korea when you struggle on NA? Makes no sense. Keep practicing your mid masters NA MMR
Yeah I why would you want a better practice environment, doesn't make any sense at all.
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On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly....
I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis.
And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM.
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What the hell ? Show some respect. Desrow been streaming and helping people long before some of you started playing.
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On November 02 2011 23:43 Avean wrote:
What the hell ? Show some respect. Desrow been streaming and helping people long before some of you started playing.
And therefore I should respect him? Sorry no.
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left your house 10 times in 2 months?
wow...
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You're not the only one, I played a guy yesterday that played one game and didn't get placed either.
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desrow looks to me like people are jealous of you
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I looked at GM because one of my friends got in it, and i recognized like 40 names, its absurd how few pro players got into it. It just shows how GM doesn't matter at all on NA. My friend doesn't have much time to play so he 4gated about 20 games the week before/of to make sure his mmr stayed high enough, so yea, its possible to 4gate your way to GM guys, not just diamond or low masters like most people think.
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On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly....
who are you?
.... jk
but seriously
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I dont get any points for wins since GM came out. Just to let you know.
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On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM.
This guys seems pretty butt hurt...
Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community.
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On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community.
nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself.
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On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself.
yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat.
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On November 02 2011 23:58 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... who are you? .... jk but seriously
OH HOLY SHIT IT'S BOOMNASTY!
I watched a Day9 daily for the first time ever this monday... only for about 5 min, but the only thing I remember from it is BOOMNASTY
On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat.
Pretty sure he had been GM before this season.
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On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community.
Why would I respect desRow? He is bad mannered, he bans people who disagrees with him or even questions him. He is trash talking his students, the people who pay for coaching. "Oh you mad cuz u got banned lolol u watch his stream heah" yes I used to watch it because I used to like how he actually explains what he does in the game. He claims to be this nice guy who respects all the players that he plays against, but he is sitting there behind his microphone calling them dicks, faggets, retards etc.
No I am not butt hurt.
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Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@
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On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@
We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is.
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On November 03 2011 00:37 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@ We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is.
There is a difference between saying you don't like his manners and saying he's an awful no skill mid master scrub.
I'm referring to all the >30 count posters doing the latter. I don't particularly like Desrow either, but I appreciate the insane amount of time and effort he's put into the community
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On November 03 2011 00:40 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:37 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@ We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is. There is a difference between saying you don't like his manners and saying he's an awful no skill mid master scrub. I'm referring to all the >30 count posters doing the latter. I don't particularly like Desrow either, but I appreciate the insane amount of time and effort he's put into the community
I never said he was awful, I just don't approve someone saying they are one of the best if they haven't posted a major tournament win yet. Obviously, I think anyone who is in masters+ is NOT awful. I just don't think he is as amazing as he makes himself out to be.
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On November 03 2011 00:40 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:37 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@ We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is. There is a difference between saying you don't like his manners and saying he's an awful no skill mid master scrub. I'm referring to all the >30 count posters doing the latter. I don't particularly like Desrow either, but I appreciate the insane amount of time and effort he's put into the community
One guy said that though.
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On November 03 2011 00:42 BishOpmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:40 stokes17 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:37 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@ We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is. There is a difference between saying you don't like his manners and saying he's an awful no skill mid master scrub. I'm referring to all the >30 count posters doing the latter. I don't particularly like Desrow either, but I appreciate the insane amount of time and effort he's put into the community One guy said that though, one guy.
Was it you? Because you are exactly the type of poster I'm talking about
how many of your 13 posts are not bashing a community member?
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On November 03 2011 00:44 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:42 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 03 2011 00:40 stokes17 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:37 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@ We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is. There is a difference between saying you don't like his manners and saying he's an awful no skill mid master scrub. I'm referring to all the >30 count posters doing the latter. I don't particularly like Desrow either, but I appreciate the insane amount of time and effort he's put into the community One guy said that though, one guy. Was it you? Because you are exactly the type of poster I'm talking about how many of your 13 posts are not bashing a community member?
Nope I didn't say that.
Not even bashing him because of his play but because of the way he is acting.
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On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat.
Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving
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On November 03 2011 00:26 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:58 BoomNasty wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... who are you? .... jk but seriously OH HOLY SHIT IT'S BOOMNASTY! I watched a Day9 daily for the first time ever this monday... only for about 5 min, but the only thing I remember from it is BOOMNASTY Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Pretty sure he had been GM before this season.
gm has been out for 3season i was in the first one missed the 2nd one but now my play got a lot better
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On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving
Maybe if you acted a little more maturely and respectful to your viewers/fans/community members we will act the same way to you, until then you are just a scrub. By the way I saw you vs Catz yesterday, didn't go too well for you huh?
User was warned for this post
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On November 03 2011 00:08 hpTheGreat wrote:
I dont get any points for wins since GM came out. Just to let you know.
I'm pretty sure this is happening to people who are supposed to be in GM, so don't stress too much
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On November 02 2011 22:10 BishOpmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere.
O is this not bashing his play?
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On November 03 2011 00:49 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:10 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere. O is this not bashing his play?
I think him being in GM on 2 accounts is a fluke. I don' t think he is a mid master scrub, but my opinion doesn't matter with your 100-first-posts-are-invalid logic.
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just look at SEA GM ranking, it's even more hilarious
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On November 03 2011 00:48 Days wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving Maybe if you acted a little more maturely and respectful to your viewers/fans/community members we will act the same way to you, until then you are just a scrub. By the way I saw you vs Catz yesterday, didn't go too well for you huh?
let me tell you how posting like this on this particular forum will not end well for you.
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seriously ppl should stop flaming desro but desro man take the highroad, answering all this shit just makes it look like u care what they think when you really shouldn't. Trolls are gunna troll and haters are going to hate, be the bigger person and turn the other cheek.
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I'd love it if the moderators would ban all the people who somehow turned this thread into a desrow discussion, I'm not sure how you people thought all that was appropriate to post in here?
Hopefully Blizzard will fix this bug, it reflects kinda badly on them when they tried to make Grandmaster league into such a big deal, and it has never really had the impact they wanted it to have I think. This bug only made it seem even worse than before.
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On November 03 2011 00:50 BishOpmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:49 stokes17 wrote:On November 02 2011 22:10 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere. O is this not bashing his play? I think him being in GM on 2 accounts is a fluke. I don' t think he is a mid master scrub, but my opinion doesn't matter with your 100-first-posts-are-invalid logic.
that is not my logic....
my logic is if 100% of your 15 posts are bashing a community member.... you are a bad poster.
but I'm done derailing this thread , sorry
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On November 03 2011 00:57 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:50 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 03 2011 00:49 stokes17 wrote:On November 02 2011 22:10 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 22:08 desRow wrote:
Got GM on EU so people saying i got in because of the fluke on NA can shove it up their asses :D And how is that league working out for you? Quoting CatZ to David Kim "Random people like, for example Desrow has two accounts in it", I still think you got in because of the fluke so I won`t shove anything up anywhere. O is this not bashing his play? I think him being in GM on 2 accounts is a fluke. I don' t think he is a mid master scrub, but my opinion doesn't matter with your 100-first-posts-are-invalid logic. that is not my logic.... my logic is if 100% of your 15 posts are bashing a community member.... you are a bad poster. but I'm done derailing this thread , sorry
That is not true, I have posted earlier in other threads.
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Hey guys, this seems totally stupid but wouldn't a quick fix simply be to raise the MMR cap slightly at the beginning of a season?
This would allow the top players to reach that point, and still have games with the other players who might eventually catch up. Also, if this is done over a long period of time, isn't it possible that we might find the 'golden' point of MMR which would say something like 'if the cap is x, then highest level pros (pros that have MMRs that would otehrwise be outliers) would still find games with other players after a reasonable search time.
It seems to me like such a fix would also keep stream sniping down, since the players doing the sniping would hopefully be unable to keep up with the rising MMR cap because they aren't good enough to keep up with the highest level pros? (Or so we believe, but time would tell..)
Anyway, sucks about this problem. Good luck this season to everyone!
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On November 03 2011 00:32 BishOpmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. Why would I respect desRow? He is bad mannered, he bans people who disagrees with him or even questions him. He is trash talking his students, the people who pay for coaching. "Oh you mad cuz u got banned lolol u watch his stream heah" yes I used to watch it because I used to like how he actually explains what he does in the game. He claims to be this nice guy who respects all the players that he plays against, but he is sitting there behind his microphone calling them dicks, faggets, retards etc. No I am not butt hurt.
You make a pure butt hurt post and end it in "No I am not butt hurt."? Ouch for logic.
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On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving
Why are you defending yourself? Do you really care? People are going to talk shit, its the nature of online gaming. From what I've heard, you talk shit as well, so it should be an easy concept to understand. It doesn't matter if people are right or wrong or whatever. They will talk shit regardless and nothing you say with change their minds. Most people just shit talk online to vent anger out from there actual life and is nothing to get upset about (and personally, I prefer people venting their anger out online as opposed to the alternative). I have had my fair share of being shit talked and shit talking back. My advice is to you is to just do you and say fuck it to whatever anyone else is saying. Sitting here and defending yourself is pointless and a waste of time. It drags out whatever conversation your upset about and doesn't let it die. Just let it die and don't worry about it.
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On November 03 2011 00:37 BoomNasty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:34 stokes17 wrote:
Why are all these no count posters hatin of DesRow? Seriously, Dude streams, answers questions, and coaches.... while still posting good results in weekly cups.
What have you guys contributed to this community?
Keep up the Good work Desrow, haters gonna hate @_@ We have credibility when we watch his stream and form an opinion of him. It's our opinion, we are entitled to it. By no means is that what everyone else should believe. Personally, I did not like the way he acted on his stream, so I stopped watching him. And when I mention results, I am talking about big name tournaments like MLG (which I do not believe he has attended and/or done well at one yet). So, until that happens I am not going to listen to him talk about how good he is.
Oh ok, you have to win or place good at an MLG to be good? Let me ask your opinion of Incontrol. He got 4th, do you consider him good?
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On November 03 2011 01:05 dakalro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:32 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. Why would I respect desRow? He is bad mannered, he bans people who disagrees with him or even questions him. He is trash talking his students, the people who pay for coaching. "Oh you mad cuz u got banned lolol u watch his stream heah" yes I used to watch it because I used to like how he actually explains what he does in the game. He claims to be this nice guy who respects all the players that he plays against, but he is sitting there behind his microphone calling them dicks, faggets, retards etc. No I am not butt hurt. You make a pure butt hurt post and end it in "No I am not butt hurt."? Ouch for logic.
Yeah truth is very butt hurt sometimes.
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EU is bugged, too: I'm not GM D:
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On November 03 2011 01:09 Tigi wrote:
EU is bugged, too: I'm not GM D:
You have to play a bunch of games on EU. My friend who was mid-GM last season had to play 10 games before he got back in.
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For the record, nobody should ever have more than one account in gm per server. Should be restricted on IP or something. If you can have 1 gm account, you can have two, or 10 or 20 because your play is good enough to be in gm. Why waste other peoples spots? Saying i have two gm accounts doesnt make you a better player than saying I have 1 gm account. Maybe a bit off topic but if were pointing out flaws in the GM system I think thats one of them.
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On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving
sucks people are taking this out on you when there are plenty of others.
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On November 03 2011 01:13 Kelethius wrote:
For the record, nobody should ever have more than one account in gm per server. Should be restricted on IP or something. If you can have 1 gm account, you can have two, or 10 or 20 because your play is good enough to be in gm. Why waste other peoples spots? Saying i have two gm accounts doesnt make you a better player than saying I have 1 gm account. Maybe a bit off topic but if were pointing out flaws in the GM system I think thats one of them.
That is stupid to try to restrict something like that. How about students behind the same Internet Connection ? No GM accounts for them ? That is pretty retarded. Who cares if someone has 2 accounts in GM ? What is the point anyway ?
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On November 03 2011 01:05 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving Why are you defending yourself? Do you really care? People are going to talk shit, its the nature of online gaming. From what I've heard, you talk shit as well, so it should be an easy concept to understand. It doesn't matter if people are right or wrong or whatever. They will talk shit regardless and nothing you say with change their minds. Most people just shit talk online to vent anger out from there actual life and is nothing to get upset about (and personally, I prefer people venting their anger out online as opposed to the alternative). I have had my fair share of being shit talked and shit talking back. My advice is to you is to just do you and say fuck it to whatever anyone else is saying. Sitting here and defending yourself is pointless and a waste of time. It drags out whatever conversation your upset about and doesn't let it die. Just let it die and don't worry about it.
tbh i dont talk shit.. people have the impression i talk shit because i comment on the play of my opponent when i give commentary i fuck up and play like a retard too and i wouldnt get mad or say something talk shit if they said i played like a donkey but for most of it youre right defending myself against low post count people is pointless imma just move on
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Stop derailing this thread. Keep it on topic.
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Wonder how Blizzard will solve this
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On November 03 2011 02:14 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 01:05 G5 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving Why are you defending yourself? Do you really care? People are going to talk shit, its the nature of online gaming. From what I've heard, you talk shit as well, so it should be an easy concept to understand. It doesn't matter if people are right or wrong or whatever. They will talk shit regardless and nothing you say with change their minds. Most people just shit talk online to vent anger out from there actual life and is nothing to get upset about (and personally, I prefer people venting their anger out online as opposed to the alternative). I have had my fair share of being shit talked and shit talking back. My advice is to you is to just do you and say fuck it to whatever anyone else is saying. Sitting here and defending yourself is pointless and a waste of time. It drags out whatever conversation your upset about and doesn't let it die. Just let it die and don't worry about it. tbh i dont talk shit.. people have the impression i talk shit because i comment on the play of my opponent when i give commentary i fuck up and play like a retard too and i wouldnt get mad or say something talk shit if they said i played like a donkey but for most of it youre right defending myself against low post count people is pointless imma just move on
good deal
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Is anyone who was having problems with not getting pts when rank 1 masters still have problems? My ladder seems to still be broke and i was wondering if its just me or if others are having the same problems.
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On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving
What is your achivements desrow?
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2221_desRow
I dont know why you promoting yourself as "decent player".You just beat some lagging koreans at bo3/PvP(PvP is coinflip,especially on old patch).Random online results not meaning anything.First Go MLG or another major event and pass 4nd round or group stage okay?
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So is this bug going to get fixed?
Some 1400pt master beat me and made GM.
1400 pts? wtf? You wouldn't even hit masters league in Korea with 1400 pt skill on NA. Makes NA look like even more of a joke.
I mean I don't know how they'd fix it, maybe just kick out the players with 0-1 records or something to at least get the absolutely not meant to be in GM level players out of the league.
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On November 03 2011 03:46 The.Doctor wrote:
So is this bug going to get fixed?
Some 1400pt master beat me and made GM.
1400 pts? wtf? You wouldn't even hit masters league in Korea with 1400 pt skill on NA. Makes NA look like even more of a joke.
I mean I don't know how they'd fix it, maybe just kick out the players with 0-1 records or something to at least get the absolutely not meant to be in GM level players out of the league.
so ur saying u lost to a diamond player?
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On November 03 2011 03:49 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:46 The.Doctor wrote:
So is this bug going to get fixed?
Some 1400pt master beat me and made GM.
1400 pts? wtf? You wouldn't even hit masters league in Korea with 1400 pt skill on NA. Makes NA look like even more of a joke.
I mean I don't know how they'd fix it, maybe just kick out the players with 0-1 records or something to at least get the absolutely not meant to be in GM level players out of the league. so ur saying u lost to a diamond player?
Hey just saw the rankings
SAw ur not in GM but a diamond level player is
sup?
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On November 03 2011 03:38 cklrkzk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving What is your achivements desrow? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2221_desRowI dont know why you promoting yourself as "decent player".You just beat some lagging koreans at bo3/PvP(PvP is coinflip,especially on old patch).Random online results not meaning anything.First Go MLG or another major event and pass 4nd round or group stage okay?
chill out bro
he played idra in an open bracket tournament
#desrowfighting
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On November 03 2011 03:53 The.Doctor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:38 cklrkzk wrote:On November 03 2011 00:46 desRow wrote:On November 03 2011 00:23 RastaMonsta wrote:On November 03 2011 00:22 BoomNasty wrote:On November 03 2011 00:16 SupLilSon wrote:On November 02 2011 23:39 BishOpmaster wrote:On November 02 2011 23:37 desRow wrote:On November 02 2011 23:21 BishOpmaster wrote:
So I guess those TL accounts that you made to post on your own thread about how good of a coach you are don`t count either, because they didn't have that many posts either. dood i left my house 10 times in the past 2months i dont take time to go to a library and make TL accounts to support my shit twitch.tv/desrowfighting 2.5k follower twitter.com/desrowfighting 1700 followers facebook.com/desrowfighting 800 likes i just tell my supporters to go post in threads that involve me cus they want to support me and help me srsly.... I believe the first part, but not the last. Pretty much half the people were unsatisfied customers as well. Whatever man, there is no point in arguing with you when you just want to pump your E-penis. And NO I am not posting because I am jealous of success which is what you think, it just upsets me how you run around throwing around words whenever you do something that is mentionable, and when you do bad you always make excuses, and on top of it all you are so, so BM. This guys seems pretty butt hurt... Maybe he is one of those "mid masters" that Desrow gets matched against and is mad about losing... can't really see any other reason to so vehemently bash a well respected member of the community. nah i agree with him. desrow always runs his mouth and he doesnt have results to back it up. i used to watch his stream, but now i dont anymore because i think hes too full of himself. yea his only accomplishment is getting GM on NA after 4 seasons. W.e floats his boat. Look at my TLopen results I know im not a top player but i definitely dont deserve the bashing im receiving What is your achivements desrow? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2221_desRowI dont know why you promoting yourself as "decent player".You just beat some lagging koreans at bo3/PvP(PvP is coinflip,especially on old patch).Random online results not meaning anything.First Go MLG or another major event and pass 4nd round or group stage okay? chill out bro he played idra in an open bracket tournament #desrowfighting
im guessing he didnt win
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i hope they redo gm for all the nobodys that got in keke
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Long post incoming
Hope they revamp the entire system. Their MMR system in WoW was retarded as shit. Everyone was abusing it.
I don't know the details of how it works in SC2 but I guess it's very similar to WoW.
In WoW you would lose very little MMR until your current rating closed in on your MMR. So if you start a new arena team at 0 rating but have 2500 MMR you would hardly lose anything until you got to 1000 ish rating. Then you would start losing some MMR if you lost games.
So what did people do? Disband their team at 1000 rating ( where you start losing MMR) start a new one and repeat that a million times. Because you didn't lose anything but gained something every win your MMR inflates enormously.
Eventually you'd have teams with over 4k MMR. Before this exploit only a handful of teams had ever reached 3k, and those were all teams who went to tournaments.
Now I know some of you might be thinking wait why is this douchebag talking about WoW? This is a SC2 forum damnit. Hear me out son. The entire system is flawed if it's similar to WoW's.
If you got a high MMR in one season you can ride on that for several seasons without actually winning a lot.
If you're a 3k MMR GM you won't lose a lot of MMR until you have like 2400-2600 rating. Before that you'll only lose a handful of points per game.
If you only play to clear your bonus pool, even if you lose most of your games your MMR won't drop a whole lot. Even if you do badly, the less you play the less you lose. You'll maybe drop to 2800 MMR if you're careful, which means you'll just have to win your one game at the start of next season to get your next GM rank.
However if you'd play a lot more and you'd get close to that 3k, you're at risk of actually losing MMR.
So, 3k MMR 200 rating loses to 2.8k MMR rated player. "lost 10 MMR" and X rating
3k MMR 2600 rating loses to 2.8k MMR rated player. "lost 60 MMR" and X rating
numbers are not accurate but I'm trying to give you the best picture of the elo system that I can.
With the shorter seasons the current system rewards inactivity. Active players are at greater risk of losing their MMR.
Since GM placement is based on MMR, if you're afraid you can't keep up with the competition the best thing you can do to stay in GM is to play as little as possible.
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On November 03 2011 03:50 The.Doctor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:49 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:On November 03 2011 03:46 The.Doctor wrote:
So is this bug going to get fixed?
Some 1400pt master beat me and made GM.
1400 pts? wtf? You wouldn't even hit masters league in Korea with 1400 pt skill on NA. Makes NA look like even more of a joke.
I mean I don't know how they'd fix it, maybe just kick out the players with 0-1 records or something to at least get the absolutely not meant to be in GM level players out of the league. so ur saying u lost to a diamond player? Hey just saw the rankings SAw ur not in GM but a diamond level player is sup?
Yup there are lots of diamond players atm, I count many 1.4k to 1.5k pts last season players and numerous ppl I easily beat on ladder and felt they were like midmaster
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I don't see the point of having the league "locked."
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There should be like 10-15 spots reserved in GM for those with the highest win % and that are notable players and on notable teams.
E.g. on NA it would be idra, ostojiy, dde etc.
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With the shorter seasons the current system rewards inactivity. Active players are at greater risk of losing their MMR.
Since GM placement is based on MMR, if you're afraid you can't keep up with the competition the best thing you can do to stay in GM is to play as little as possible.
You make excellent points, but what I wonder is how many games should these people play to be considered "active players"? The people who deserve to be in GM are the kind of people who are constantly practicing for, traveling to, and playing in tournaments, so I wouldn't think they would be able to ladder that much. And if GM league doesn't display who the pros are, then I don't really see a point in having one.
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On November 03 2011 04:09 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +With the shorter seasons the current system rewards inactivity. Active players are at greater risk of losing their MMR.
Since GM placement is based on MMR, if you're afraid you can't keep up with the competition the best thing you can do to stay in GM is to play as little as possible. You make excellent points, but what I wonder is how many games should these people play to be considered "active players"? The people who deserve to be in GM are the kind of people who are constantly practicing for, traveling to, and playing in tournaments, so I wouldn't think they would be able to ladder that much. And if GM league doesn't display who the pros are, then I don't really see a point in having one.
you mistake gm for a what it is, it should be the top Ladder players, not the top players in general. Its a reward for the ppl that perform the best in ladder. Not tournaments and other things.
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On November 03 2011 04:09 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +With the shorter seasons the current system rewards inactivity. Active players are at greater risk of losing their MMR.
Since GM placement is based on MMR, if you're afraid you can't keep up with the competition the best thing you can do to stay in GM is to play as little as possible. You make excellent points, but what I wonder is how many games should these people play to be considered "active players"? The people who deserve to be in GM are the kind of people who are constantly practicing for, traveling to, and playing in tournaments, so I wouldn't think they would be able to ladder that much. And if GM league doesn't display who the pros are, then I don't really see a point in having one.
My issue is more with the inactive players who only play the bare minimum they have to to keep their bonus pool under 180. The players who deserve to be there may not play as consistently because of tournaments, but they'll play a ton of games over the course of a whole season.
It would be cool if the GM league wasn't locked. Sure you got your Idra, Sheth, Select, Major, dde, Huk on the top. They're not going anywhere, they're several tiers ahead of many GM players.
I'd like to see GM be the 200 highest rated players of this very moment.
The harder it is to keep your GM ranking the more prestigious it gets and that is only good for the ladder.
If the guys in high Master League can earn GM, even if only for a couple days until they lose it again. High Masters/ low GM will become a battlefield, with a ton of players competing for those coveted GM spots. It would be a ton of fun because everyone at that level will frantically try to improve.
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I wonder when will Blizzard give an official response to this issue.
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On November 03 2011 06:14 Darkthorn wrote:
I wonder when will Blizzard give an official response to this issue.
knowing blizzard? i expect an official response shortly before next season starts =)
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gahhh they had a full day to fix it and my games still don't affect ladder rating
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On November 03 2011 06:47 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:gahhh they had a full day to fix it and my games still don't affect ladder rating
yea mine are also not working
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On November 03 2011 03:59 Paperplane wrote:
Long post incoming
Hope they revamp the entire system. Their MMR system in WoW was retarded as shit. Everyone was abusing it.
I don't know the details of how it works in SC2 but I guess it's very similar to WoW.
In WoW you would lose very little MMR until your current rating closed in on your MMR. So if you start a new arena team at 0 rating but have 2500 MMR you would hardly lose anything until you got to 1000 ish rating. Then you would start losing some MMR if you lost games.
So what did people do? Disband their team at 1000 rating ( where you start losing MMR) start a new one and repeat that a million times. Because you didn't lose anything but gained something every win your MMR inflates enormously.
Eventually you'd have teams with over 4k MMR. Before this exploit only a handful of teams had ever reached 3k, and those were all teams who went to tournaments.
Now I know some of you might be thinking wait why is this douchebag talking about WoW? This is a SC2 forum damnit. Hear me out son. The entire system is flawed if it's similar to WoW's.
If you got a high MMR in one season you can ride on that for several seasons without actually winning a lot.
If you're a 3k MMR GM you won't lose a lot of MMR until you have like 2400-2600 rating. Before that you'll only lose a handful of points per game.
If you only play to clear your bonus pool, even if you lose most of your games your MMR won't drop a whole lot. Even if you do badly, the less you play the less you lose. You'll maybe drop to 2800 MMR if you're careful, which means you'll just have to win your one game at the start of next season to get your next GM rank.
However if you'd play a lot more and you'd get close to that 3k, you're at risk of actually losing MMR.
So, 3k MMR 200 rating loses to 2.8k MMR rated player. "lost 10 MMR" and X rating
3k MMR 2600 rating loses to 2.8k MMR rated player. "lost 60 MMR" and X rating
numbers are not accurate but I'm trying to give you the best picture of the elo system that I can.
With the shorter seasons the current system rewards inactivity. Active players are at greater risk of losing their MMR.
Since GM placement is based on MMR, if you're afraid you can't keep up with the competition the best thing you can do to stay in GM is to play as little as possible.
I don't think I understand. Even in WoW you should be gaining or losing MMR based on the difference between your MMR and the opposing team's and the outcome of the game. I think you're confusing rating with MMR, because you would only lose a significant amount of rating when your rating was close to your MMR.
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yh that thing needs to get fixed >.<
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On November 03 2011 06:47 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:gahhh they had a full day to fix it and my games still don't affect ladder rating
wait does that mean u cant burn bonus pool if u win ?
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ya i saw a lot of people at like the bottom of GM who were 1-0 or even worse 0-1 but still made it. made absolutely no sense at all . . .
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On November 03 2011 07:18 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 06:47 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:gahhh they had a full day to fix it and my games still don't affect ladder rating wait does that mean u cant burn bonus pool if u win ?
not sure if osto can confirm this too but for me, after wins it does nothing but after you lose it does everything at once.
For example win 3 games +10 pts each but it looks like it does nothing, then lose one -5 pts, after the loss if you check record and rating you'll have +25 pts and stats will look fine.
at least that's how it's working for me. I know osto doesn't lose much so he might not have noticed this yet or maybe its just different for others I dunno...
I have a feeling this is happening only for players that are "supposed" to be GM but aren't.
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On November 03 2011 07:01 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:59 Paperplane wrote:
Long post incoming
Hope they revamp the entire system. Their MMR system in WoW was retarded as shit. Everyone was abusing it.
I don't know the details of how it works in SC2 but I guess it's very similar to WoW.
In WoW you would lose very little MMR until your current rating closed in on your MMR. So if you start a new arena team at 0 rating but have 2500 MMR you would hardly lose anything until you got to 1000 ish rating. Then you would start losing some MMR if you lost games.
So what did people do? Disband their team at 1000 rating ( where you start losing MMR) start a new one and repeat that a million times. Because you didn't lose anything but gained something every win your MMR inflates enormously.
Eventually you'd have teams with over 4k MMR. Before this exploit only a handful of teams had ever reached 3k, and those were all teams who went to tournaments.
Now I know some of you might be thinking wait why is this douchebag talking about WoW? This is a SC2 forum damnit. Hear me out son. The entire system is flawed if it's similar to WoW's.
If you got a high MMR in one season you can ride on that for several seasons without actually winning a lot.
If you're a 3k MMR GM you won't lose a lot of MMR until you have like 2400-2600 rating. Before that you'll only lose a handful of points per game.
If you only play to clear your bonus pool, even if you lose most of your games your MMR won't drop a whole lot. Even if you do badly, the less you play the less you lose. You'll maybe drop to 2800 MMR if you're careful, which means you'll just have to win your one game at the start of next season to get your next GM rank.
However if you'd play a lot more and you'd get close to that 3k, you're at risk of actually losing MMR.
So, 3k MMR 200 rating loses to 2.8k MMR rated player. "lost 10 MMR" and X rating
3k MMR 2600 rating loses to 2.8k MMR rated player. "lost 60 MMR" and X rating
numbers are not accurate but I'm trying to give you the best picture of the elo system that I can.
With the shorter seasons the current system rewards inactivity. Active players are at greater risk of losing their MMR.
Since GM placement is based on MMR, if you're afraid you can't keep up with the competition the best thing you can do to stay in GM is to play as little as possible. I don't think I understand. Even in WoW you should be gaining or losing MMR based on the difference between your MMR and the opposing team's and the outcome of the game. I think you're confusing rating with MMR, because you would only lose a significant amount of rating when your rating was close to your MMR.
That's would make sense but isn't what happened. Dunno if you played Cataclysm but MMR exploiting was rampant.
Here's a thread on reddit explaining a bit more.
http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/kcfdd/new_mmr_exploit_helps_eu_team_reach_3106_rating/
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It used to be like you said, but somewhere among the line they changed it into this pants-on-head retarded system
I'm no Blizzard employee, I do no know if it's the same as in wow.
I do wake up in cold sweat screaming every night thinking about wow's MMR system though : (
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What is the purpose of the various leagues and rating? Why can't we just have 1 solid ladder based on MMR?
So one would look at something like:
Hikari (Z)
Avg MMR: 1139.4
vT: 1039.4
vZ: 1139.4
vP: 1239.4
Top 3% (Ranked 12388) (% and rank not eligible if not enough games have been played recently)
52 Games Played (30 wins, 22 losses) (optional hide/show records)
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On November 03 2011 07:55 Hikari wrote:
What is the purpose of the various leagues and rating? Why can't we just have 1 solid ladder based on MMR?
So one would look at something like:
Hikari (Z)
Avg MMR: 1139.4
vT: 1039.4
vZ: 1139.4
vP: 1239.4
Top 3% (Ranked 12388) (% and rank not eligible if not enough games have been played recently)
52 Games Played (30 wins, 22 losses) (optional hide/show records)
Basically, they want to 'reward' people for playing and getting better. Being promoted is for several people a nice goal and a moment of happiness. Going from f.ex gold to platinum will make those players a lot more happy than going from rank 14812 to 14503.
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That looks great Hikari, id love if the system worked like that.
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God I wish we could see our MMR to effectively evaluate these things.
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little off topic, but did any1 else know grandmaster has a divison name or whatever. This season it is Hyperion Victor, found it when linking somebody my battle net account and hovering over the grandmaster icon. ( checked other accoutns to see if it was my old division)
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On November 03 2011 08:25 Msr wrote:
little off topic, but did any1 else know grandmaster has a divison name or whatever. This season it is Hyperion Victor, found it when linking somebody my battle net account and hovering over the grandmaster icon. ( checked other accoutns to see if it was my old division)
Yeah, last season it was Warp Prism Oscar for NA from what I recall.
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Hope we get a clear announcement from blizzard soon of what they are going to do with this GM glitch..
Also does anyone know if one gets taken away from GM if one doesnt play games for a week now?
I believe that if you didnt play games for two weeks and stacked up bonus pool, you were kicked out of GM in previous seasons. But now its a shorter season and GM placement started in a week. So I was wondering if there is any change with the amount of bonus pool that kicks people out of GM.
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i really wish i could have gotten GM lol xD
Also I wonder why they give GM a division name?
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It's just disappointing not to have even had the opportunity to get a chance to get back into gm's, i've been working on a lot of stuff with hopefully a new team! and seeing some real results. I had classes all day and when I got back it was full.
I was definitely not the highest sticking around 70-100 gm for the most part, but i did not think for a second that i did not have a very good shot to get back in. Though as mentioned before, gm is a nice utility to have when trying to give a relative skill level to teams or people.
Oh well, i'll be more focused on practice sessions anyhow. Maybe next season!
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If I am one of the people that aren't getting their wins counted and I don't play anymore till they fix the issue for obvious reasons(not playing will take me over 90 bonus pool as it stacks up quite fast), will I not be eligible for GM if somehow Blizzard resets it?
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On November 03 2011 14:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
i really wish i could have gotten GM lol xD
Also I wonder why they give GM a division name?
They probably don't "give" the GM division a name. I'm sure the divisions are all created by an automated process, and the code that generates the GM division is the same as the code that generates the other divisions. Somewhere in there, there's a line that sets the division's name to a random combination of words from their division name dictionary, and they haven't bothered adding a check to skip it in the once instance that it's not necessary.
Or they can't skip it because they're actually using the unique division names in some script somewhere that would break if a division had no name. That would be silly, but I've left vestigal stuff in classes for sillier reasons.
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So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots?
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On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots?
It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time.
Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened).
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they took away a ton of my points i was at like 700 masters then was promoted then when the depromoted me they kept me at the points i was at in grandmasters....this shit makes no sense
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On November 04 2011 03:07 Response wrote:
they took away a ton of my points i was at like 700 masters then was promoted then when the depromoted me they kept me at the points i was at in grandmasters....this shit makes no sense
Come on Response, you should know by now that any league change comes with a point reset. We've covered that in so many different threads =p
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On November 04 2011 03:09 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:07 Response wrote:
they took away a ton of my points i was at like 700 masters then was promoted then when the depromoted me they kept me at the points i was at in grandmasters....this shit makes no sense Come on Response, you should know by now that any league change comes with a point reset. We've covered that in so many different threads =p
i've never dropped a league before xD
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Sadly, its because players like Idra, DDE, and Slush aren't considered top level players anymore.
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WOW 2 of my friends got kicked out of gm.
edit: wow 130 people got removed apparently
lol @ those 1400 pts who posted everywhere, thjat's embarassing
Looks like it's fixed now.
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No I just made it back doctor, you wont have to cry all night now :D
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On November 04 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots? It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time. Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened).
Last game I played was last night before 9pm EDT and I didn't get booted.
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On November 04 2011 03:11 Sovern wrote:
Sadly, its because players like Idra, DDE, and Slush aren't considered top level players anymore.
IdrA is not top level?
Ok, he's not as good as CombatEX, I'll give you that, but still, almost as good as Destiny, it's a feat.
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On November 04 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots? It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time. Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened).
I didn't get kicked out and haven't played a game yet since i still have another class. Think they just kicked out the non deserving ones.
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On November 04 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots? It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time. Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened).
Nah apparently my friend said that he just looked at his 1v1 and wasn't in gm anymore, without playing.
I didn't play anyt match and i'm still in
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Also doctor, the dude we know with 6 accs in gm only has 1 in it now lol
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On November 04 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots? It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time. Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened).
I can report that this is most likely not the case. My name is still on the list and I haven't played since last night. It's possible that I've been kicked and the website simply hasn't updated yet (it claims real-time updates but who knows), but I can't log on right now to check.
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On November 04 2011 03:25 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots? It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time. Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened). I can report that this is most likely not the case. My name is still on the list and I haven't played since last night. It's possible that I've been kicked and the website simply hasn't updated yet (it claims real-time updates but who knows), but I can't log on right now to check.
Yea this is not the case because I was online around 1:45 and exactly when I got kicked out, there were like 70 ppl in GM. So I don't think that many people all got a win in such a short period of time to be promoted.
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Fair enough then. Maybe they really did go back to the Tuesday division creation timestamp and set a new MMR requirement for GM, removing everyone who wasn't meeting that new requirement?
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On November 04 2011 03:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Fair enough then. Maybe they really did go back to the Tuesday division creation timestamp and set a new MMR requirement for GM, removing everyone who wasn't meeting that new requirement?
Yeah I'm thinking that b/c post GM creation I tanked MMR hard offracing
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They probably just removed all of the players that do not currently have a top 200 MMR.
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On November 04 2011 03:18 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:00 Excalibur_Z wrote:On November 04 2011 02:59 Forbs wrote:
So, did they kick everyone who got promoted wrongly and GM placement is starting up again like normal for the remaining spots? It seems that way. We'll have to see who actually gets promoted this time. Actually what probably happened was they booted everyone from GM league, and the people who are there now were just re-promoted since they seem to have all played at least one game today (probably within the last hour or so when the wipe should have happened). I didn't get kicked out and haven't played a game yet since i still have another class. Think they just kicked out the non deserving ones.
yeah i ddnt get kicked out either and i ddnt play a game today at all so i think they just took a look at the top 100MMR in the bugged 200list nd kept them in the rest kicked out?
very glad they did this reset though
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can those ppl get back into GM? looked like their pts / MMR / got all fcked up
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On November 04 2011 13:16 CuHz wrote:can those ppl get back into GM? looked like their pts / MMR / got all fcked up i actually looked at a person who was GM a few days ago; and he is not on that list; he is on another masters division? NrGfuzzy is the person im talking about.
If their MMR gets high enough yeah. Their MMR didn't change at all when they got removed, only their points changed as per the standard league change effect.
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So my points were glitching midweek and I thought I was a lock to get GM again this season (finished last season top 70, been laddering pretty actively ~10 games a day or so with better than 50% winrate) but after the fix yesterday I didn't get into one of the spots still.
I'm going to just assume I suck now and it's not actually a glitch since most everyone else that should have got in got in.
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i still don't see idrA, DDE, Artist, people like those, but i'm happy my players are in, and i didn't really belong in GM, so it's better that i was removed.
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So just to be 100% clear: nobody is experiencing the problems reported before about not being able to be placed in a league and not receiving any points for wins, right?
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