BW Teams playing Starcraft 2 - Page 56

On October 29 2011 05:13 jinorazi wrote:
wats with the dragoon hate...dragoon's behavior never bothered me and to be honest, many of you guys are over exaggerating it.

On October 29 2011 05:18 Hyperionnn wrote:
comparing mma to bisu is a insult for bisu imo

On October 29 2011 05:15 Canadium wrote:
I love how all the SC2 kids are like "It IS sad to see BW die, but who cares we were never involved with it anyway!" Seriously just admit you have no idea what it's like to be a fan of BW and stop trying to kiss our asses because it is painful to hear all this news of possible transitions to SC2.

IMO I don't think any top BW pros should switch: It would be almost insulting to see them play a game that's less skillful and less exciting.

So please stop with your fake sensitivity.

On October 29 2011 04:57 tyCe wrote:

Pretty sure Chill knows his BW considering he was the BW strategy moderator for ages ^_^

Still, you can't compared July with Jaedong. I dunno if he's trolling or drunk.

On October 29 2011 05:17 Zergneedsfood wrote:


The fact that MMA switched proves he's not as good as Bisu.

On October 29 2011 04:38 croupier wrote:
sGs.Kal_rA ,

As someone who doesn't watch BW at all I'm not able to understand why that video is so epic. And guaranteed it's because I don't know much about BW the game, and I don't know the skill involved in what Bisu is actually doing in that clip. I'm not saying the video isn't awesome, I'm saying that I personally don't understand it.

Showing that clip to people like me who watch SC2 doesn't make us say "Ohhhh, that's what makes BW awesome!". It just makes us confused.

If you want to have the intended effect of sharing how awesome BW is, then unfortunately you'll have to also include some commentary on why the clip is awesome. What should i be looking for in order to be impressed? Outside of the video content itself, what is going on with the player that would make this harder than just the video shows?

On October 29 2011 05:18 LuMaLo wrote:
Dude, off topic but... if u aint got NO CLUE about cs 1.6 and source, and the BIG ASS DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM (movement, spray, hitbox just to name the 3 most important ones) then dont talk about it because 1) u come off as a complete idiot to the people who know their shit in that game, and 2) you misinform people who dont know their shit in that game.

Dont ever, ever say that some bs like source is the same game as 1.6 :/, it hurts my feelings

On topic: I think its sad, ive never ever seen a sc2 game where ive gotten as excited as i did watching some BW high level play... sc2 is good, and fun, but i dont think it will ever be as awesome as BW is.

On October 29 2011 05:20 PhoenixDark wrote:


July, Nada, Boxer, etc destroy the argument. If it's true top players automatically are better than SC2 players because their micro/APM/etc is superior, we should be able to witness that in the very best BW players regardless of whether their career slowed down towards the end; is anyone going to argue Nada and July aren't BW legends? I'm tired of the argument. Jaedong and company will most likely be better than July/Nada/etc but there's no guarantee they'll magically dominate SC2. Jaedong will not be better than Nestea or Dimaga or Stephano a month after switching. Or two, three, etc.

MVP is 21 years old, for instance. He's going to be great for awhile, regardless of who switches, as long as he continues to practice/not get complacent with his riches.

And while we're at it, can we put this idiotic "they're throwing money into SC2!" argument. It's an esport. No one threw money at BW? Players aren't payed salaries thanks to big sponsors? The hypocrisy is laughable. BW had an epic run, all things come to an end. Those same sponsors aren't going to stick around forever. And when the money moves, the players will move. I'm sure Jaedong and company love BW, but if someone offered them more money to switch to SC2 guess what: they would. Cash rules sports, and esports.

On October 29 2011 05:13 kNyTTyM wrote:


It's really difficult to explain if you aren't familiar with the brood war engine.

Imagine you have stalkers stutter stepping. Now if you attack then move away too fast, there is a chance your stalker just stops moving. This stalker is frozen and cannot be issued a command until you highlight the unit and click stop.

Imagine if you could blink 2 stalkers into the same location. They will "stack" and then push apart similar to how flyer units function in sc2. This stacking occurs in brood war as well except you have no control over your units while they stack and push apart. Example of this is at 23-24 seconds where the two dragoons closest to the top of the screen are bumping and bugging.

Each of those little white burrowing things called mines do 125 damage and have splash. They are really small and difficult to target as well. It's like trying to target down a burrowed zergling. There is only a little hole and not a complete unit model to target.

There is no dynamic pushing in brood war. If you've watched enough marine vs zergling in sc2, you probably have seen a terran stutter step his way out of a zergling surround. Doesn't happen in brood war. If dragoons get surrounded by vulture, your only choice is to shoot down the vultures.

So to summarize, he is stuttering nearly perfectly with dumb units that may freeze up, avoiding clumping that can cause his units to bug, targeting down burrowed zergling size death bombs, and targeting down vultures to not get surrounded. And to top that all off, he is macroing!

On October 29 2011 05:17 mrtomjones wrote:

Or you could act less butthurt and accept that they truly do feel that way.

On October 29 2011 05:20 Steveling wrote:


That's lies, he wasn't practising like a madman in bw. Infact he's one of the very few top sc2 players that don't have that ''stigma'' of ''I was a bw failure so I switched to sc2''.

On October 29 2011 05:20 PhoenixDark wrote:


July, Nada, Boxer, etc destroy the argument. If it's true top players automatically are better than SC2 players because their micro/APM/etc is superior, we should be able to witness that in the very best BW players regardless of whether their career slowed down towards the end; is anyone going to argue Nada and July aren't BW legends? I'm tired of the argument. Jaedong and company will most likely be better than July/Nada/etc but there's no guarantee they'll magically dominate SC2. Jaedong will not be better than Nestea or Dimaga or Stephano a month after switching. Or two, three, etc.

MVP is 21 years old, for instance. He's going to be great for awhile, regardless of who switches, as long as he continues to practice/not get complacent with his riches.

And while we're at it, can we put this idiotic "they're throwing money into SC2!" argument to bed. It's an esport. No one threw money at BW? Players aren't payed salaries thanks to big sponsors? The hypocrisy is laughable. BW had an epic run, all things come to an end. Those same sponsors aren't going to stick around forever. And when the money moves, the players will move. I'm sure Jaedong and company love BW, but if someone offered them more money to switch to SC2 guess what: they would. Cash rules sports, and esports.