EPTand what I mean by that is how many players have race loyalty and stay with Protoss from BW to SC2
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
and what I mean by that is how many players have race loyalty and stay with Protoss from BW to SC2 | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On October 29 2011 04:56 Steveling wrote: MMA can multitask even better. In sc2 rating I've seen his apm reaching 700(680 to be precise). His last game vs boxer at anaheim was the perfect example. He was dropping at 2 or 3 places while keeping his main bio army split in two dancing with the huge amount of boxers tanks,trying to outposition him, which he did. He was also macroing meanwhile. Such a monster. Tldr:not starting a xx vs yy war, I'm just a MMA fanboy. That last game of MLG Anaheim MMA didn't go above 400 APM and I don't even think it was above 350, where the hell do you get the 700/680 figure from? | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:22 skyzzang wrote: Just take a look at Julyzerg. What happend to him in SC2 ? One of the reason why he's doing poorly is because 1) Skill ceiling for SC2 is very very very low compared to BW 2) Easy interface, Binding, Unit control 3) Zerg's specialty does not shine in SC2 as much as it did in BW, which was speed and flank. aka, one sentry blocking the ramp. He does poorly because he doesn't play sc2 zerg the way they are meant to be played. 40-50 drones is his max often enough, with no creep spread, and bad unit compositions. He does an aggresive zerg very well but he needs to mix in more drones and creep spread to make his play better... also he needs to use the zergs best units instead of just sc1 units+roach | ||
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BroodWarHD
136 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:21 SupLilSon wrote: Yea 1.6 will forever be the best competitive FPS. Source and 1.6 are completely different aside from a few of the same maps and some of the same guns (but the guns don't even play the same anyways). I actually switched to source when it came out but had to go back to 1.6 lol. What does best even mean? All you can say is the most competitive due to popularity. Games like quake have much higher speeds of aiming and movement, much more strategic objects to control and time, different kinds of weapon projectiles to utilize. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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chocopaw
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dafunk
France521 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:24 Canadium wrote: If they truly felt that way they'd help keep the game alive instead of saying things like "It's sad to see BW die." Which is what a game as good as BW deserves. BW doesn't need to die. It's not broken. It doesn't need fixing. It's just disrespectful. It's sad to see BW die. | ||
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BroodWarHD
136 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:25 mrtomjones wrote: He does poorly because he doesn't play sc2 zerg the way they are meant to be played. 40-50 drones is his max often enough, with no creep spread, and bad unit compositions. He does an aggresive zerg very well but he needs to mix in more drones and creep spread to make his play better... also he needs to use the zergs best units instead of just sc1 units+roach Yeah but july was peaking 900+ APM in BW.. you might expect that to translate great large army control in sc2 | ||
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skyzzang
31 Posts
Being able to bind buildings/units from 1 ~ 9 Being able to manually click buildings to pump units Being able to drag and click units very fast All these have been solved and everyone can do it with the comfort of just one hot key. 20 rax can be grouped in one hotkey and you spam aaaaaaaaa for marines. No need to manually click on buildings which is useless skill that seperates BW players will carry over. No need to drag units now since you can group everything in one hotkey as well. There is nothing special that BW players will have over currently well established SC2 players, | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
The level of mechanics is ridiculously harder to play on bw compared to sc2. So imagine players with near perfect mechanics moving over sc2. The idea is that their mechanics are gonna be so naturally good that they will be very very good in sc2. The only thing left is practically decision making. BW pro gamers also have serious endurance unlike the average player due to able to play 10-14 hours aday AND bw games were generally longer than sc2 games. You basically facing guys who have done this for 10 years of experience. Their learning curve to be good at sc2 is going to be ridiculously good. What might take u 3 years to master, they can master within a week. Then from there they will get even better. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:15 Canadium wrote: I love how all the SC2 kids are like "It IS sad to see BW die, but who cares we were never involved with it anyway!" Seriously just admit you have no idea what it's like to be a fan of BW and stop trying to kiss our asses because it is painful to hear all this news of possible transitions to SC2. IMO I don't think any top BW pros should switch: It would be almost insulting to see them play a game that's less skillful and less exciting. So please stop with your fake sensitivity. see this is a perfect example of how a flame war starts. you start off in a good place, loving BW and defending your game you end up: Generalizing all sc2 fans as liars and idiots/jerks insult the game sc2 fans love in the worst possible way (the two things any E Sport must have) BW players need to stop complaining that their players are switching to the better game, your game is over with and should be retired ASAP your just mad the players realize this before you did. see i can start off defending my game and go into some blind rage where i just say shit i know is hurtful to the other fan without any regard for it's concequences. also please note i don't mean the italics at all. but seriously please if you don't want people bad talking BW don't bad talk SC2. and no the difference isn't that when uou bad talk sc2 it's true but it's a lie if ytou bad talk BW. i find ANY PvZ in BW incredibly boring and lame to watch. but that doesn't mean it is to anyone else. (i find TvZ PvT and TvT very fun to watch in BW ^^) | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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PhoenixDark
United States286 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:21 BroodWarHD wrote: A genius of high level, is a universal genius. Guys like Flash and Bisu could make it big whatever they put their minds to, it is incredible. Same should apply to Nada, July, etc. I do agree that Flash, Bisu, etc will be very good at SC2 eventually. But they won't pop on the scene and dominate right away. And when they don't some BW fanboys will pull the "well SC2 is so easy/bad no one can dominate!" and deny they ever claimed those players would dominate. | ||
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Remfire
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:20 PhoenixDark wrote: July, Nada, Boxer, etc destroy the argument. If it's true top players automatically are better than SC2 players because their micro/APM/etc is superior, we should be able to witness that in the very best BW players regardless of whether their career slowed down towards the end; is anyone going to argue Nada and July aren't BW legends? I'm tired of the argument. Jaedong and company will most likely be better than July/Nada/etc but there's no guarantee they'll magically dominate SC2. Jaedong will not be better than Nestea or Dimaga or Stephano a month after switching. Or two, three, etc. MVP is 21 years old, for instance. He's going to be great for awhile, regardless of who switches, as long as he continues to practice/not get complacent with his riches. And while we're at it, can we put this idiotic "they're throwing money into SC2!" argument to bed. It's an esport. No one threw money at BW? Players aren't payed salaries thanks to big sponsors? The hypocrisy is laughable. BW had an epic run, all things come to an end. Those same sponsors aren't going to stick around forever. And when the money moves, the players will move. I'm sure Jaedong and company love BW, but if someone offered them more money to switch to SC2 guess what: they would. Cash rules sports, and esports. Except July, Nada, and Boxer weren't top players at the time they switched to SC2. They were borderline B-team when players like Jaedong were the ones actually at the top dominating. Those same players who were the best a year ago are still the best now. And for anyone saying it would take Flash a long time to be the best, how long did it take for him to win an OSL? One year. From the time he became pro to becoming an OSL winner he went from cheesy rookie to undisputed top terran player at the age of 15. His skill now has risen dramatically during that time and he is known as God Young Ho. It wouldn't take long for him to be one of the best players when the competition is all former B-teamers, washed up legends and people who could never get on professional BW teams. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:24 Canadium wrote: If they truly felt that way they'd help keep the game alive instead of saying things like "It's sad to see BW die." Which is what a game as good as BW deserves. BW doesn't need to die. It's not broken. It doesn't need fixing. It's just disrespectful. Ok. I'll help keep broodwar alive. Oh wait... I have no influence over whether it lives or dies... that sucks. You are trying to blame people for something they can do nothing about? Maybe YOU should be doing something to keep it alive. | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:27 skyzzang wrote: Here are some unneccesary skills BW players have that will carry over to SC2. Being able to bind buildings/units from 1 ~ 9 Being able to manually click buildings to pump units Being able to drag and click units very fast All these have been solved and everyone can do it with the comfort of just one hot key. 20 rax can be grouped in one hotkey and you spam aaaaaaaaa for marines. No need to manually click on buildings which is useless skill that seperates BW players will carry over. No need to drag units now since you can group everything in one hotkey as well. There is nothing special that BW players will have over currently well established SC2 players, 11+ years of competition in easily the highest skill level of RTS gaming is p. special. | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:27 skyzzang wrote: Here are some unneccesary skills BW players have that will carry over to SC2. Being able to bind buildings/units from 1 ~ 9 Being able to manually click buildings to pump units Being able to drag and click units very fast All these have been solved and everyone can do it with the comfort of just one hot key. 20 rax can be grouped in one hotkey and you spam aaaaaaaaa for marines. No need to manually click on buildings which is useless skill that seperates BW players will carry over. No need to drag units now since you can group everything in one hotkey as well. There is nothing special that BW players will have over currently well established SC2 players, that's somewhat true but a rather shallow way of thinking about it | ||
Shiori
3815 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:27 skyzzang wrote: Here are some unneccesary skills BW players have that will carry over to SC2. Being able to bind buildings/units from 1 ~ 9 Being able to manually click buildings to pump units Being able to drag and click units very fast All these have been solved and everyone can do it with the comfort of just one hot key. 20 rax can be grouped in one hotkey and you spam aaaaaaaaa for marines. No need to manually click on buildings which is useless skill that seperates BW players will carry over. No need to drag units now since you can group everything in one hotkey as well. There is nothing special that BW players will have over currently well established SC2 players, yeah, because clearly someone like Bisu, who has the multitasking ability of a computer, won't be able to use that to his advantage when the game makes it easier for him to do mechanical tasks. if your reasoning is true, then we have the following conclusion: SC2 is a terrible game with a low skill cap. hopefully you're wrong. | ||
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