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On October 29 2011 04:02 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games. Because that's just silly. "Here's let's have the first 4 innings of a game be baseball then let's switch it over to soccer for 3 innings, then back to baseball!"
While that's hilarious, I see it more like playing a Bo3 in SSFIV and then a Bo3 in MvC3, which actually does happen.
Justin Wong and many other players play both games at an extremely high level.
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On October 29 2011 03:55 ComplexConf wrote:
"BW is a more difficult and more balanced game..."
I hate when an individual says something that is actually not really fact...
Personally I don't agree!
It is a fact whether you agree with it or not.
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On October 29 2011 04:02 I)etox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games. wayyy too hard to practice for something like that. it would just result in a bunch of BO losses
Well if the teams had some dedicated BW players and some Sc2 players It wouldn't be too bad I think, it would be really fun for the spectators :D.
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On October 29 2011 03:58 Chill wrote:
What about July? Golden mouse holder and he's not smashing SC2! I don't think it's as easy as flick a switch and BW pros now dominate SC2.
None of the legendary BW players we see in the GSL were at their prime when the switch occured. But now it's gonna be different.
I don't think every BW player will become dominant at SC2. Some of them will meet their Waterloo. But I'm certain some others will be unstoppable.
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On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games.
lol, that's pretty hilarious.
It's not very practical for the players/casters, but it would be extremely entertaining for us spectators.
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On October 29 2011 04:02 Micket wrote:
If Starcraft BW were played under the ease of sc2 mechanics, do you think the current best players would be the same? The answer is fucking YES! If MVP played Jaedong in BW, even with mbs automine and unlimited selection, jaedong would rip the soul out of MVP. Mechanics weren't holding MVP back, lack of game sense, timing, crisis management, multitask and strategy were. The best BW players have the best mindset, strategy, timing and star sense out of all RTS players. Saying 'sc2 is mechanically easier therefore more emphasis on strategy, omg Foreigners are more creative! Koreans just mechanic and practice machines, easier mechanics = we win' is quite disrespectful to the gods of Starcraft.
Think of Michael Jordan. What people are arguing is the equivalent of saying 'MJ was only good at basketball because he was tall, if everyone was his height he wouldn't dominate.' People would argue back saying 'MJ wasn't even that tall, his height was not his strongest point.' this is exactly my point! Replace MJ with BW pros and height with apm/mechanics and you'll find that mechanics was not the reason Flash was dominant the way he is. Every aspect of his play is perfect - decreasing the height or the mechanical skill ceiling will not change that.
thank god someone knows what they are talking about.
exactly yes. my previous posts were trying to say what you said, but you said it better.
people in here seem to think that flash/jaedong/bisu were only better because they mastered the multi tasking and played alot to just drone their way through the mechanical process.
what they don't realize is, is that these top guy sin bw were better than the b teamers because of their superior decision making and game sense.
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On October 29 2011 04:02 MegaDancer wrote:
Btw the upcoming expansion might be a good reason to switch, since the metagame will be completely undiscovered, and while it still will be easier for people already in-game it will be possible for bw roster to catch up maybe not completely but still///
This brings up an interesting point.
Honestly, I believe that the BW pros will take no longer than 1-2 months to catch up. They will have no problems with the mechanics, so all they have to sorry about is the metagame, as you mentioned. Even if HoTS isn't going to be released, learning the strategis and metagame of WoL wouldn't take anyone a very long time. The only problem would be access to resources such as other more strategically experienced players and replays etc. Our community has these things in abundance.
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I'd like to see what the Korean BW community thinks of this. With I could read Korean 
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On October 29 2011 04:06 Vehemus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 04:02 Diamond wrote:On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games. Because that's just silly. "Here's let's have the first 4 innings of a game be baseball then let's switch it over to soccer for 3 innings, then back to baseball!" While that's hilarious, I see it more like playing a Bo3 in SSFIV and then a Bo3 in MvC3, which actually does happen. Justin Wong and many other players play both games at an extremely high level.
Chess boxing anyone?
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Well if this is truly the case and they make a full sc2 switch for some reason, I'm done with watching. As much as sc2 was a factor in me coming to TL in 07 or so due to the very first teaser, it was SC that made me stay around. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't get into sc2 despite watching so many games. I'll still stay around for other parts of the site though.
Here's hoping they still play SC.
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On October 29 2011 04:09 mizU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 04:06 Vehemus wrote:On October 29 2011 04:02 Diamond wrote:On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games. Because that's just silly. "Here's let's have the first 4 innings of a game be baseball then let's switch it over to soccer for 3 innings, then back to baseball!" While that's hilarious, I see it more like playing a Bo3 in SSFIV and then a Bo3 in MvC3, which actually does happen. Justin Wong and many other players play both games at an extremely high level. Chess boxing anyone?
Please name a real, serious sport at least.
Like the decathlon.
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Oh my fucking god. This is the worst news in a long time. And the disrespect towards bw in this thread is astonishing...
I didn't mind the existence of sc2 before but now I definitely hate it...
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On October 29 2011 03:57 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:42 Xxio wrote:
It doesn't even matter how they would do. They have nothing to prove to anyone.
Think of it this way: the show match already happened and Nestea MC and MVP were stomped. You were fine with your first statement, but then you just had to keep going. The only way NesTea, MC, and MVP have been "stomped" is in terms of accomplishments in their respective games, which makes sense when you consider that SC2 has only been out for a year; they've not had nearly the same amount of time to accomplish in SC2 what the BW gods/demigods have accomplished in BW. Saying that Jaedong & co. have stomped NesTea, MC, and MVP is about as empty a statement as saying that Moon/Grubby & co. have stomped NesTea, MC, and MVP. He means they've played RTS alongside each other in BW, and there (in BW) the current SC2 leaders have been stomped / almost nobodies / practice partners / B-teamers / fallen stars etc.
That's the usual interpretation. However, there's also the factor of development. Because some players, like MC / MVP / Huk, were still a bit younger back then and probably not yet fully developed in RTS. So they may be legitimately better now, compared to before. Still most likely worse than the top BW players, if not for any other reason, just because of lack of the same level of competition to bring them up.
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ahhh fuuuuu
I hope they still play broodwar, otherwise I'm going to be mighty disappointed :/
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I like what I've just read. Even if BW is the better game right now. If I remember right it needed about 7 to 8 years to become as good as it is now. I feel SC2 has the chance to equalize that in about the same time after LotV is published and will become as exciting as BW is right now.
To accelerate this development it will help incredibly if the BW geniuses switch, because they are able to find things, wich are in the game already, without anyone (including Blizzard) knowing yet (remember reaver-shuttle-play).
Anyway, I feel they will dominate SC2 within 3 to 6 Seasons of GSL (if they participate). The only current SC2 players that may be able to stay in Code S then are NesTea and MVP (possibly Bomber and MKP) but they wont win it anymore.
And another fact why I'd like them to switch is there are no really big names in SC2 yet. Especially since I am Protoss I have a hard time to cheer for a certain player. I hope former BW-Players come up with solutions... for P.
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On October 29 2011 04:11 Essbee wrote:
Oh my fucking god. This is the worst news in a long time. And the disrespect towards bw in this thread is astonishing...
I didn't mind the existence of sc2 before but now I definitely hate it...
If you hate them for hating BW then you are the same as they are doesnt it ?
It may be good news in some way.
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Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
- -;;; Whatever I post is gonna end up badly... so I'm just going to post this.
I love BW
I love SC2
Whatever happens happens. Just cause one took over the other does not mean that one is dead. It also does not mean that that one isn't going to die.....
If this happened then it happened. Nothing we can do about it.
Long live BW......
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If the bw teams come to sc2 i see it improving sc2 overall. Especially in the background areas like practice, dedication, and teamwork/loyalty. I don't really care about individual players. Instead I care about the quality of the games, and a larger competitive base will do this.
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I am so happy that we, me and my friend, can finally settle our bet. For those wondering it was about how will the pro BW players do in SC2 when they switch. I won't stir any shit storm here about our opinion. I am just happy that we will have an answer in the upcoming months.
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