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On October 29 2011 03:58 Chill wrote:
What about July? Golden mouse holder and he's not smashing SC2! I don't think it's as easy as flick a switch and BW pros now dominate SC2.
I agree 100%. This to me again is when everyone thought pro boxers would come into MMA and win forever cause no one could strike with them. That has been opposite of true, and I feel like since the BW players took so long to switch over it will be the same here. They will have success, but I don't see like them coming in and Top 16'ing every tournament ever.
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On October 29 2011 03:55 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:53 Rostam wrote:On October 29 2011 03:47 mizU wrote:
I love SC2 AND BW.. this is a really exciting time in SC :DDD
Why is everyone so emo and hating?!?!
Probably because not everyone loves SC2 and this is the opposite of exciting for BW fans. I don't get why they keep posting in the SC2 forums then. They ask SC2 fans show respect in BW forums but refuse to do the same them self.
It's in community news, and it's about BW teams. Why would you expect BW fans not to read/post in this thread?
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On October 29 2011 03:58 Chill wrote:
What about July? Golden mouse holder and he's not smashing SC2! I don't think it's as easy as flick a switch and BW pros now dominate SC2.
Thats because July is far past his prime. He only nows how to spawn larvae and all in anyway ;P. I don't think i've ever seen him use a creep tumor in my life ><
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Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games.
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On October 29 2011 03:57 VPCursed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:28 Xxio wrote:On October 29 2011 03:25 JoeAWESOME wrote:Showmatch inc? Jaedong vs Nestea? Bisu vs MC? Fantasy vs MVP?  Posts like these make me sad inside. Nestea, MC and MVP are simply not on the same level. No point in a show match. you do realize that MVP has beaten flash right?
And NesTea has beaten Stork.
Either way this is exciting for sc2 fans but I can imagine the upset caused to BW fans. It couldn't last forever and neither will sc2. BW had an amazing run and the scene won't completely die out, but I do feel sorry for hardcore BW fans.
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On October 29 2011 03:57 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:42 Xxio wrote:
It doesn't even matter how they would do. They have nothing to prove to anyone.
Think of it this way: the show match already happened and Nestea MC and MVP were stomped. You were fine with your first statement, but then you just had to keep going. The only way NesTea, MC, and MVP have been "stomped" is in terms of accomplishments in their respective games, which makes sense when you consider that SC2 has only been out for a year; they've not had nearly the same amount of time to accomplish in SC2 what the BW gods/demigods have accomplished in BW. Saying that Jaedong & co. have stomped NesTea, MC, and MVP is about as empty a statement as saying that Moon/Grubby & co. have stomped NesTea, MC, and MVP.
I think he means when Nestea, MC and MVP played Broodwar and didn't accomplish much.
And as far as things go, I don't believe the average switchover from a BW player to sc2 was going to be a big deal, but that players like flash, jaedong, etc might switch over... that's a big deal.
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Also I'm pretty sure Chill is trolling. July was nothing in 2010 in terms of BW skill compared to the rest of the scene.
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On October 29 2011 03:59 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:57 VPCursed wrote:On October 29 2011 03:28 Xxio wrote:On October 29 2011 03:25 JoeAWESOME wrote:Showmatch inc? Jaedong vs Nestea? Bisu vs MC? Fantasy vs MVP? Posts like these make me sad inside. Nestea, MC and MVP are simply not on the same level. No point in a show match. you do realize that MVP has beaten flash right? This is what people who didn't watch bw say. MVP beat flash ONCE. ONE TIME. Most pros have beaten flash ONCE. At the time sc2 came out Flash was seriously 10x better than MVP.
lol, how can i argue with this?
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On October 29 2011 03:59 MrNomad wrote:
I don't get why BW and SC2 can't co-exist.
Plenty of teams have multiple divisions, so if MBCGame has a BroodWar team and a SC2 team thats awesome. Hell I'd love for people like GomTV or MBC to air both games for their tournaments.
Wishful thinking though.
There aren't enough players unless KeSPA teams eat up the current SC2 teams. It's still a possibility that the KeSPA teams will buy up SC2 teams to play for them, but it's doubtful I think. We can't know how the situation will play out until it happens because there are so many things that could happen. Poor GOMTV would be destroyed if KeSPA teams ate all their teams.
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On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games.
Because that's just silly. "Here's let's have the first 4 innings of a game be baseball then let's switch it over to soccer for 3 innings, then back to baseball!"
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If Starcraft BW were played under the ease of sc2 mechanics, do you think the current best players would be the same? The answer is fucking YES! If MVP played Jaedong in BW, even with mbs automine and unlimited selection, jaedong would rip the soul out of MVP. Mechanics weren't holding MVP back, lack of game sense, timing, crisis management, multitask and strategy were. The best BW players have the best mindset, strategy, timing and star sense out of all RTS players. Saying 'sc2 is mechanically easier therefore more emphasis on strategy, omg Foreigners are more creative! Koreans just mechanic and practice machines, easier mechanics = we win' is quite disrespectful to the gods of Starcraft.
Think of Michael Jordan. What people are arguing is the equivalent of saying 'MJ was only good at basketball because he was tall, if everyone was his height he wouldn't dominate.' People would argue back saying 'MJ wasn't even that tall, his height was not his strongest point.' this is exactly my point! Replace MJ with BW pros and height with apm/mechanics and you'll find that mechanics was not the reason Flash was dominant the way he is. Every aspect of his play is perfect - decreasing the height or the mechanical skill ceiling will not change that.
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On October 29 2011 04:00 Megaliskuu wrote:
Why not have proleague be a bo5 consisting of both sc2 and BW? game 1-2 BW, 3-4 SC2, and the ace match is randomly decided. I think that would be amazing for both games.
wayyy too hard to practice for something like that. it would just result in a bunch of BO losses
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On October 29 2011 04:00 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:58 Chill wrote:
What about July? Golden mouse holder and he's not smashing SC2! I don't think it's as easy as flick a switch and BW pros now dominate SC2. Thats because July is far past his prime. He only nows how to spawn larvae and all in anyway ;P. I don't think i've ever seen him use a creep tumor in my life ><
last mlg he was using creep, artosis was flipping out
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Btw the upcoming expansion might be a good reason to switch, since the metagame will be completely undiscovered, and while it still will be easier for people already in-game it will be possible for bw roster to catch up maybe not completely but still///
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On October 29 2011 03:55 ComplexConf wrote:
"BW is a more difficult and more balanced game..."
I hate when an individual says something that is actually not really fact...
Personally I don't agree!
I think everyone whos played BW at decent level agrees to it, its not really a debate, but lets not derail the discussion.
Im just hoping for it to happen soon, cant wait to see them compete with current sc2 pros !
On October 29 2011 04:02 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 04:00 ReachTheSky wrote:On October 29 2011 03:58 Chill wrote:
What about July? Golden mouse holder and he's not smashing SC2! I don't think it's as easy as flick a switch and BW pros now dominate SC2. Thats because July is far past his prime. He only nows how to spawn larvae and all in anyway ;P. I don't think i've ever seen him use a creep tumor in my life >< last mlg he was using creep, artosis was flipping out
That only happened in ONE of his games, which is sad if you think about it.
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On October 29 2011 03:51 Souljah wrote:
Its a sad day for BW, but an even greater day for esports in general. At the end of the day, teams/players are trying to make a living out of this. They have to go where the sponsorship is, period. While BW may contain the highest level of skill, viewership is much higher in SC2. Its a move these teams have to make in order to survive financially.
Beautifully stated. Simple logical reasoning.
Also, these Brood War pros will work hard. Maybe not all of them, but they will have the patience and practice to endure the imbalances and develop strategies that the current SC2 scene hasn't.
Introducing a new pool of minds into SC2 is a guaranteed way to deepen the scene. They are all so passionate as well. The transition from BW to SC2 only brings benefits.
I and many other BW fans will be saddened by the cease of competitive BW, but all the "new" talent might accelerate the growth of SC2 strategies. This will bring us closer to the heyday of BW in SC2, faster than before.
Now with BW out of the way, : ( SC2 has the entire space of competitive RTS to grow into.
But never, ever forget BW. It's legacy is greater than that of e-sports. I dare say, it embodied e-sports itself and then some.
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On October 29 2011 04:02 Gann1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:59 MrNomad wrote:
I don't get why BW and SC2 can't co-exist.
Plenty of teams have multiple divisions, so if MBCGame has a BroodWar team and a SC2 team thats awesome. Hell I'd love for people like GomTV or MBC to air both games for their tournaments.
Wishful thinking though. There aren't enough players unless KeSPA teams eat up the current SC2 teams. It's still a possibility that the KeSPA teams will buy up SC2 teams to play for them, but it's doubtful I think. We can't know how the situation will play out until it happens because there are so many things that could happen. Poor GOMTV would be destroyed if KeSPA teams ate all their teams.
I don't think so. If there were a partnership/agreement, that Gom has broadcasting rights for all SC2 tournaments & event management I don't think they'll die out. And the KESPA teams don't necessarily have to buy teams out, they can develop partnerships (a la EG and Slayers, Liquid and OGS etc.)
Like you said, its all hypothetical, I'm a fan of both, and its sad to see how the BW and SC2 community here seems to be hating on one another. Really...just fucking pitiful.
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On October 29 2011 03:58 Talin wrote:Also note how low his money is on 4 bases while he's keeping track of every Corsair and Shuttle on several places on the map (barely losing any). 
Also note how he's playing PvZ and not PvT.
If a race switch causes such a difference in APM then surely a game switch will make a big difference.
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On October 29 2011 03:51 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2011 03:45 Moa wrote:On October 29 2011 03:42 Xxio wrote:
It doesn't even matter how they would do. They have nothing to prove to anyone.
Think of it this way: the show match already happened and Nestea MC and MVP were stomped. The outcome isn't whats important, its about the show. Did you see Boxer v. Yellow? (The SC2 one, to be clear.)
But there's an arguable difference between Yellow's current BW skill, and JD, Bisu or Flash.
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I guess we will finally be able to test whether or not the top BW pros will "crush the SC2 scene" like it is so fiercely debated.
I find it really interesting that KESPA is so gung-ho about this whole process. I wonder if the teams have been developing an undercurrent for moving to SC2 or if this is really as big of a shift as some teams claim it is.
It seems like part of Korean culture to put on a public face that matches the public's understanding that actually show your true intentions. But we really will never know.
Ending Times are now! Starcraft is dead! Long live Starcraft!
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