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On October 28 2011 23:29 Merlimoo wrote:
I am an esport fan since its beginning, I'm not that young anymore...
I was originally into the Counter Strike scene, but after a big break (studies), where I've tried BW, W3, COD, I've finally stopped on SC2.
Iy is really my first attempt to really play an RTS game. Having improved a lot in the past months, I think I can understand everything that is going on in this game now. After having fed on day9 daylies, I just watch some old ones featuring BW. And omg...
With everything that I've heard about BW and its advantages, it is really painful for me to watch a BW game. Not for the graphics (I play Minecraft for god sake), but for everything else. Everything seems so frigide and poor. I don't really recognized the core philosophy of each race, that I've learn form sc2 obviously. Really not for me watching.
If I try to recall how it was to play BW when I tried, it was like trying the play chess with mitten!! There so much things that come into your way when you want to apply a strategy. That is a bit of weird for a rts game. Not fun to play either... I prefer spending my extra apm trying to do better stuff than overcoming a poor AI, pathfinding, and UI, like w3 micro where your brain is actually usefull. I think that if the game were revamped with a better UI, it will just become pointless... From what I've heard, every BWfanboy is just sad for the lack of neediness of "gosu/nerdy" spam clicks to produce a marine and make him move...
So please. Have a though for theses guys who really does not care a single second about BW and are happy with SC2. If you don't like it, we don't care, stay on BW, we have lived without you until now anyway. Quit, boycott blizzard for whatever reason you believe is right. Just stop annoying us.
That being said, I would be more that happy to see the BW scene finally try to fit into our sc2 community. If theses BW stars are that good on a strategic level, I'm looking forward to it.
But from what I can see, if you take the superstar boxer, even if he's probably not a the same level as he was, he should still have the mind the come up with great strategies. From what I can see, he's just a cheeser who try to win with his micro in sc2. Was it the reason why he was so good in BW ? If it is so, it is definitely not my kind of strategy game.
LOOOOL
What's so funny is one of the reason why I think SC2 is ununinteresting strategically is that Boxer play has been so uninspired in SC2. He was the guy who would always find a new clever gimmick even way pas his prime (typical example is his game against Hiya on Blue Storm). And yeah, I guess he kinda looks like that in SC2.
At least you seem to know how clueless you are about bw.
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On October 28 2011 23:18 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:10 thoradycus wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. as much as i like nada hes not even half of flash Tied for OSL's and MSL's won, though. Can't say anything about Nada vs Flash in SC2 until we at least see a few games.
I think Flash would currently be the best known Starcraft player to switch, simply because most of the other ones (like Nada, July, Boxer) were in the twilights of their careers, or weren't that good to begin with (MC lol). Flash has been injured, but Nada had simply become a less terrifying player.
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On October 28 2011 23:35 Copymizer wrote:
holy crap, just by the scent of this article im fearing future WCG's espcially by the confidence of these quotes, Korea take 1-2-3 at WCG xD
Depending on where and how much players are allowed to play in foreign tournaments, we will probably end up seeing Korea take 1-2-3 in a lot of tournaments when/if the pro teams get involved.
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Not sure how I feel about this. I guess it's good for SC2 but it seems like this will affect BW negatively. Which is always a bad thing, I hope it doesn't though. And I hope players like the TBLS don't switch over yet, or at all. Keeping Brood War alive is still important for ESPORTS!
I hope the pro's don't switch to SCII, because Brood War is (imo) at the current state the better balanced/better game. Although it would help SCII to become a better game. We will see how this is gonna evolve.
Note: This is by no meaning a post to offend SCII/or to start any kind of flame war between SCII and BW players/viewers. It's just my opinion because I love Brood War and don't want it to "die"/shrunk.
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On October 28 2011 23:30 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:26 kakaman wrote:
How long would it take for the Bisu TL fanclub to surpass Idra's?
I can honestly see A-class players like Sea who have no chance of winning Proleague/OSL switch over first, because the upside is too high. May take longer for true S Class players to switch, since they still command 200K+ salaries. They'll probably wait until they finish their contracts to switch. A Class players like Sea? Sea is probably top 3 terrans. He's S Class for sure, and has gone extremely far in many OSL/MSL's. He somehow seems to choke and get nervous in RO4 though. But he is by far one of the best players in the world right now.
I don't think Sea is S lass lol, S class is TBLS and maybe Fantasy. Sea never came further than ro8 in individual league...
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I wonder what will happen to the foreigners if this is to happen :/
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On October 28 2011 23:38 Vul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:18 how2TL wrote:On October 28 2011 23:10 thoradycus wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. as much as i like nada hes not even half of flash Tied for OSL's and MSL's won, though. Can't say anything about Nada vs Flash in SC2 until we at least see a few games. I think Flash would currently be the best known Starcraft player to switch, simply because most of the other ones (like Nada, July, Boxer) were in the twilights of their careers, or weren't that good to begin with (MC lol). Flash has been injured, but Nada had simply become a less terrifying player.
To spell it out to SC2 fans who don't know much about BW.
If FlaSh switched to SC2, it would be the biggest switch possible. No other BW player in the world would cause as much controversy as FlaSh if he actually does switch.
If FlaSh switched, it would be like Messi deciding to play volleyball. It would be as if the NZ national rugby team decided to play league and stomp it for the lulz. It would be like as if Kobe decided to play netball because he wanted some new titles.
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Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later anyways.
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Is this not as a big deal as it seems to be? Not too many people are going crazy and I feel like this is pretty huge news...
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On October 28 2011 23:39 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:30 CaucasianAsian wrote:On October 28 2011 23:26 kakaman wrote:
How long would it take for the Bisu TL fanclub to surpass Idra's?
I can honestly see A-class players like Sea who have no chance of winning Proleague/OSL switch over first, because the upside is too high. May take longer for true S Class players to switch, since they still command 200K+ salaries. They'll probably wait until they finish their contracts to switch. A Class players like Sea? Sea is probably top 3 terrans. He's S Class for sure, and has gone extremely far in many OSL/MSL's. He somehow seems to choke and get nervous in RO4 though. But he is by far one of the best players in the world right now. I don't think Sea is S lass lol, S class is TBLS and maybe Fantasy. Sea never came further than ro8 in individual league...
Yeah I would consider Flash and Fantasy as the only S Class Terrans. Also, the case for Sea is he's somewhat teamless now, same with Jaedong (although Jaedong still has realistic OSL aspirations).
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Not sure if I feel good or bad about this.
I want both scenes to flourish
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On October 28 2011 23:37 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:29 Merlimoo wrote:
I am an esport fan since its beginning, I'm not that young anymore...
I was originally into the Counter Strike scene, but after a big break (studies), where I've tried BW, W3, COD, I've finally stopped on SC2.
Iy is really my first attempt to really play an RTS game. Having improved a lot in the past months, I think I can understand everything that is going on in this game now. After having fed on day9 daylies, I just watch some old ones featuring BW. And omg...
With everything that I've heard about BW and its advantages, it is really painful for me to watch a BW game. Not for the graphics (I play Minecraft for god sake), but for everything else. Everything seems so frigide and poor. I don't really recognized the core philosophy of each race, that I've learn form sc2 obviously. Really not for me watching.
If I try to recall how it was to play BW when I tried, it was like trying the play chess with mitten!! There so much things that come into your way when you want to apply a strategy. That is a bit of weird for a rts game. Not fun to play either... I prefer spending my extra apm trying to do better stuff than overcoming a poor AI, pathfinding, and UI, like w3 micro where your brain is actually usefull. I think that if the game were revamped with a better UI, it will just become pointless... From what I've heard, every BWfanboy is just sad for the lack of neediness of "gosu/nerdy" spam clicks to produce a marine and make him move...
So please. Have a though for theses guys who really does not care a single second about BW and are happy with SC2. If you don't like it, we don't care, stay on BW, we have lived without you until now anyway. Quit, boycott blizzard for whatever reason you believe is right. Just stop annoying us.
That being said, I would be more that happy to see the BW scene finally try to fit into our sc2 community. If theses BW stars are that good on a strategic level, I'm looking forward to it.
But from what I can see, if you take the superstar boxer, even if he's probably not a the same level as he was, he should still have the mind the come up with great strategies. From what I can see, he's just a cheeser who try to win with his micro in sc2. Was it the reason why he was so good in BW ? If it is so, it is definitely not my kind of strategy game. LOOOOL What's so funny is one of the reason why I think SC2 is ununinteresting strategically is that Boxer play has been so uninspired in SC2. He was the guy who would always find a new clever gimmick even way pas his prime (typical example is his game against Hiya on Blue Storm). And yeah, I guess he kinda looks like that in SC2. At least you seem to know how clueless you are about bw.
If BW is so so great and perfect, it will not die, don't worry 
I'm happy I can have my SC2 in the mean time
Look at Counter Strike vs Counter Strike Source, just when I left. Source was prettier, kinda have the same rules, but was wwwaaaay different for a good cs player. That is why there were not a really big switch and why the original cs scene is/was still predominant.
CS was better than CSS, it stay, while CSS is living its smaller life.
The case should be the same for SC2/BW. It's just that SC2 is having a way better life that CSS relatively to its predecessor.
If BW dies, we just won't have to argue anymore.
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On October 28 2011 23:42 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:38 Vul wrote:On October 28 2011 23:18 how2TL wrote:On October 28 2011 23:10 thoradycus wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. as much as i like nada hes not even half of flash Tied for OSL's and MSL's won, though. Can't say anything about Nada vs Flash in SC2 until we at least see a few games. I think Flash would currently be the best known Starcraft player to switch, simply because most of the other ones (like Nada, July, Boxer) were in the twilights of their careers, or weren't that good to begin with (MC lol). Flash has been injured, but Nada had simply become a less terrifying player. To spell it out to SC2 fans who don't know much about BW. If FlaSh switched to SC2, it would be the biggest switch possible. No other BW player in the world would cause as much controversy as FlaSh if he actually does switch. If FlaSh switched, it would be like Messi deciding to play volleyball. It would be as if the NZ national rugby team decided to play league and stomp it for the lulz. It would be like as if Kobe decided to play netball because he wanted some new titles.
You're assuming quite a bit about his relative skill in a new title...
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Well, that's pretty scary to hear.
But the better the player, the more fun for us. Will be exiting to see MVP and Nestea defend their thrones as best players of this game against all these new additions.
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On October 28 2011 23:34 jonaada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:21 Hexxed wrote:On October 28 2011 23:11 rasers wrote:On October 28 2011 23:08 slvcadv wrote:
Bisu, Flash and Jaedong aren't going to win every SC2 tourney out there. They may be very good SC2 players if they switch, but it's not guaranteed that their skill from BW is going to transfer to SC2.
Just look at Nada and July, they haven't won anything in SC2, yet they were BW legends. y legends 6 years ago. and nada is not even playing fulltime? or just lately. July has reached a finals and NaDa isn't playaing full time. It's been said that he spends the largest chunk of his time on school work. For him to make Code S every season while other full time pro gamers have struggled is amazing. Nada is scary. Lol so funny when people say "lol the brood war LEGENDS that are in sc2 atm aren´t dominating, so why should the new ones be any better?" Well the reason why the old BW players switched over to sc2 is because they can´t compete in brood war, they just aren´t good enough. The only thing I remember is MVP taking a game of Flash once in the MSL(mirrors can be unpredictable and random), but then flash won 3 in a row in an easy manner. Just remember, MVP is probably the best brood war player to switch to sc2, but he was quite terrible compared to other brood war pros, and yet he is dominating sc2. Think about that for a second. People are also stating that ForGG is a legend, which is not true. He was played out in proleague in the 2009-2010 season quite a bit, but he doesn´t come close to the top brood war players. He has a fun unique style which will probably carry well over to sc2, but he was never dominating. (excluding that one MSL which I still dont understand how he won)
But even ForGG and MVP aren't nearly invincible in SC2. They're being beat by people that normally wouldn't touch them in BW. The skill required for SC2 isn't the same. You don't need 400 APM to make marines 7 minutes in, but you need it to strategically overcome your opponent in the mid and late game.
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On October 28 2011 23:39 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:30 CaucasianAsian wrote:On October 28 2011 23:26 kakaman wrote:
How long would it take for the Bisu TL fanclub to surpass Idra's?
I can honestly see A-class players like Sea who have no chance of winning Proleague/OSL switch over first, because the upside is too high. May take longer for true S Class players to switch, since they still command 200K+ salaries. They'll probably wait until they finish their contracts to switch. A Class players like Sea? Sea is probably top 3 terrans. He's S Class for sure, and has gone extremely far in many OSL/MSL's. He somehow seems to choke and get nervous in RO4 though. But he is by far one of the best players in the world right now. I don't think Sea is S lass lol, S class is TBLS and maybe Fantasy. Sea never came further than ro8 in individual league...
Sea has been fluctuating in and out of S-class for half his career. When he's on form, he's within touching distance of FlaSh and favoured to beat the rest of TBLS. When he's off form, he doesn't get a winner's interview for a month or more.
Even if he's flopped in individual leagues, in terms of quality of play, Sea is probably still the no. 2 Terran above Fantasy. Unfortunately, he just never had an oov to carry him to OSL or MSL glory.
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On October 28 2011 23:37 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 23:29 Merlimoo wrote:
I am an esport fan since its beginning, I'm not that young anymore...
I was originally into the Counter Strike scene, but after a big break (studies), where I've tried BW, W3, COD, I've finally stopped on SC2.
Iy is really my first attempt to really play an RTS game. Having improved a lot in the past months, I think I can understand everything that is going on in this game now. After having fed on day9 daylies, I just watch some old ones featuring BW. And omg...
With everything that I've heard about BW and its advantages, it is really painful for me to watch a BW game. Not for the graphics (I play Minecraft for god sake), but for everything else. Everything seems so frigide and poor. I don't really recognized the core philosophy of each race, that I've learn form sc2 obviously. Really not for me watching.
If I try to recall how it was to play BW when I tried, it was like trying the play chess with mitten!! There so much things that come into your way when you want to apply a strategy. That is a bit of weird for a rts game. Not fun to play either... I prefer spending my extra apm trying to do better stuff than overcoming a poor AI, pathfinding, and UI, like w3 micro where your brain is actually usefull. I think that if the game were revamped with a better UI, it will just become pointless... From what I've heard, every BWfanboy is just sad for the lack of neediness of "gosu/nerdy" spam clicks to produce a marine and make him move...
So please. Have a though for theses guys who really does not care a single second about BW and are happy with SC2. If you don't like it, we don't care, stay on BW, we have lived without you until now anyway. Quit, boycott blizzard for whatever reason you believe is right. Just stop annoying us.
That being said, I would be more that happy to see the BW scene finally try to fit into our sc2 community. If theses BW stars are that good on a strategic level, I'm looking forward to it.
But from what I can see, if you take the superstar boxer, even if he's probably not a the same level as he was, he should still have the mind the come up with great strategies. From what I can see, he's just a cheeser who try to win with his micro in sc2. Was it the reason why he was so good in BW ? If it is so, it is definitely not my kind of strategy game. LOOOOL What's so funny is one of the reason why I think SC2 is ununinteresting strategically is that Boxer play has been so uninspired in SC2. He was the guy who would always find a new clever gimmick even way pas his prime (typical example is his game against Hiya on Blue Storm). And yeah, I guess he kinda looks like that in SC2. At least you seem to know how clueless you are about bw.
Innovation comes from hard work. It's wrong to say that SC2 is more strategically significant than BW because Boxer could only innovate in BW. You already said it, Boxer doesn't play SC2 as often as he played BW. You can't just magically come up with stuff, Boxer was a dominant player in the competitive BW leagues for like a year and a half.
But I see you've already forgotten the MLG where Slayers started using that hellion drop play on zerg, which no one seemed to know how to deal with. And by the way, Boxer cheesed vs Idra at the most recent MLG because his mechanics aren't up to par for a macro game.
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This is the best news ever for sc2
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On October 28 2011 23:46 Silentenigma wrote:
This is the best news ever for sc2
if you think about it,its really not.
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