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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6202 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:45 tyCe wrote: Sea has been fluctuating in and out of S-class for half his career. When he's on form, he's within touching distance of FlaSh and favoured to beat the rest of TBLS. When he's off form, he doesn't get a winner's interview for a month or more. Even if he's flopped in individual leagues, in terms of quality of play, Sea is probably still the no. 2 Terran above Fantasy. Unfortunately, he just never had an oov to carry him to OSL or MSL glory. Fantasy won 1 OSL and came in 2nd in 3 OSL's that a lot more impressive than ro8... And how does it matter if he got oov he reached higher than sea, results is what matter not how he did it. And no just being good in proleague isn't good enough to be called S class. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:48 GogoKodo wrote: This is good news. The thing I worry most about is Kespa's involvement, they do silly things from time to time. Why do we even care ? The tournaments we have without them is kind nice right now... | ||
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HardMacro
Canada361 Posts
Fuck you all for not being billionaires, and fuck me too. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 28 2011 22:37 mdb wrote: cant wait to see flash microing marines, bisu blinking stalkers and jaedong spreading creep. did you see that creep tumor micro?! | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:44 Klipsys wrote: You're assuming quite a bit about his relative skill in a new title... There's no reason not to assume. Look at who the best player in sc2 right now is. Mvp. Now look at who the best player to switch from bw so far (minus forgg) is, Mvp. There's no doubt at all that dominance in bw relates to dominance in sc2. There are exceptions of course, and the transition isn't all that clear, but in general it's a solid correlation. Flash is the exception of exceptions, you're talking about the greatest rts player ever born. That talent and hardwork will carry over to sc2 well regardless of how different the game is (and sc2 terran and bw terran are probably the closest of all the races). | ||
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:29 Merlimoo wrote: I am an esport fan since its beginning, I'm not that young anymore... I was originally into the Counter Strike scene, but after a big break (studies), where I've tried BW, W3, COD, I've finally stopped on SC2. Iy is really my first attempt to really play an RTS game. Having improved a lot in the past months, I think I can understand everything that is going on in this game now. After having fed on day9 daylies, I just watch some old ones featuring BW. And omg... With everything that I've heard about BW and its advantages, it is really painful for me to watch a BW game. Not for the graphics (I play Minecraft for god sake), but for everything else. Everything seems so frigide and poor. I don't really recognized the core philosophy of each race, that I've learn form sc2 obviously. Really not for me watching. If I try to recall how it was to play BW when I tried, it was like trying the play chess with mitten!! There so much things that come into your way when you want to apply a strategy. That is a bit of weird for a rts game. Not fun to play either... I prefer spending my extra apm trying to do better stuff than overcoming a poor AI, pathfinding, and UI, like w3 micro where your brain is actually usefull. I think that if the game were revamped with a better UI, it will just become pointless... From what I've heard, every BWfanboy is just sad for the lack of neediness of "gosu/nerdy" spam clicks to produce a marine and make him move... So please. Have a though for theses guys who really does not care a single second about BW and are happy with SC2. If you don't like it, we don't care, stay on BW, we have lived without you until now anyway. Quit, boycott blizzard for whatever reason you believe is right. Just stop annoying us. Try to evolve or die like dinausors... That being said, I would be more that happy to see the BW scene finally try to fit into our sc2 community. If theses BW stars are that good on a strategic level, I'm looking forward to it. But from what I can see, if you take the superstar boxer, even if he's probably not a the same level as he was, he should still have the mind the come up with great strategies. From what I can see, he's just a cheeser who try to win with his micro in sc2. Was it the reason why he was so good in BW ? If it is so, it is definitely not my kind of strategy game. I didn't play BW but when I watch it I think.... is ... how do people that played BW have fun playing SC2 .... BW just looks more fun | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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BroodWarHD
136 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote: B ecause CS was already a very accessible and easy to play game as far as shooters go. Its design was perfect for becoming the mainstream fps that everyone knows and plays. As such, it was competitive with CSS:If BW is so so great and perfect, it will not die, don't worry  I'm happy I can have my SC2 in the mean time Look at Counter Strike vs Counter Strike Source, just when I left. Source was prettier, kinda have the same rules, but was wwwaaaay different for a good cs player. That is why there were not a really big switch and why the original cs scene is/was still predominant. CS was better than CSS, it stay, while CSS is living its smaller life. The case should be the same for SC2/BW. It's just that SC2 is having a way better life that CSS relatively to its predecessor. If BW dies, we just won't have to argue anymore. BW, however, is a much more diehard and hardcore game relative to its genre, with a far harder learning curve and usability. For the Korean game scene that is grind-game oriented this is not as big a barrier, but for western gamers used to easy to play streamlined games its popularity is limited, compared to the much more straightforward and less mechanic intensive SC2. Hence the two games not being within a competitive paradigm. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:45 Vul wrote: Innovation comes from hard work. It's wrong to say that SC2 is more strategically significant than BW because Boxer could only innovate in BW. You already said it, Boxer doesn't play SC2 as often as he played BW. You can't just magically come up with stuff, Boxer was a dominant player in the competitive BW leagues for like a year and a half. But I see you've already forgotten the MLG where Slayers started using that hellion drop play on zerg, which no one seemed to know how to deal with. And by the way, Boxer cheesed vs Idra at the most recent MLG because his mechanics aren't up to par for a macro game. You don't seem to get my point. When he played that game against Hiya, Boxer was on Ace (in the army), so I'm pretty sure he had less practise time than he has now. And I never said BoxeR practise less now... And yeah he cheesed because of his bad mechanics, instead of coming up with the crazy strats he's know for. And I'm sorry I don't think a hellion drop counts as a crazy BoxeR strategy. What was special about it ? | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:49 HardMacro wrote: Fuck seriously why aren't one of you a billionaire so you can just inject a few hundred millions into BW and make it the official e-sport of the world. Fuck you all for not being billionaires, and fuck me too. If only those rich Chinese billionaires cared about BW instead of Dota, they could probably just buy out all the teams. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
And if BW players do switch. GG to most of the foreigners. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
korean domination inc. | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:44 Klipsys wrote: You're assuming quite a bit about his relative skill in a new title... Maybe a minor overstatement, but honestly the sheer mechanics and strategic depth that Flash and other top tier BW players command far outweighs anything currently existing in the SC2 community. Of course noone can perfectly read the future and anything is possible, but most likely if and of the S class BW players made the switch, the GSL podiums would look very different within a few months (look at ForGG's rise to Code A). | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:30 CaucasianAsian wrote: A Class players like Sea? Sea is probably top 3 terrans. He's S Class for sure, and has gone extremely far in many OSL/MSL's. He somehow seems to choke and get nervous in RO4 though. But he is by far one of the best players in the world right now. S Class Terran or straight up S Class? I'd still take Leta over him | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
I think the two can coexist. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On October 28 2011 23:55 Condor Hero wrote: S Class Terran or straight up S Class? I'd still take Leta over him And as of last season Light and maybe Mind and Baby :-( | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
I want to see great games by great players, but I can relate more to non-Koreans, and I think the same goes for many viewers (none of my more casual friends cares about Koreans in the tournaments for example, but can relate more to players liek Idra, Huk, Whitera, Stephano etc). I wish they'll take more time before switching over to SC2. | ||
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