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On November 06 2011 12:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
If Flash is playing SC2 in televised match, I am gonna jizz in my pants !. Aw, Cant wait!!
hes not going to change the game in any way whatsoever.
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On November 06 2011 12:49 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:30 Oreo7 wrote:Hydra put on his twitter that he plays both sc1 and 2 for CJ entus, see this pic from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/CBmJS.png yeah already mentioned on the last page. On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote:On November 06 2011 12:14 ZenithM wrote:
This thread...
Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game...
Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. And for Sawamura, chronoboost is not a "cool casual mechanics". At a casual level, anything is cool and fine, as long as you're having fun with it. When you start to play at a higher level, chronoboost is not optional, it's a necessity. Not chronoing your nexus at the start of the game is not "being not funny", it's just being bad. You cannot keep up with the other races without your macro mechanics (as they cannot keep up with your chronoboost without theirs). Protoss builds take into account where and when to dump the chronoboost, it's mandatory. Now, if you're casual and don't use chronoboost, you'll do fine the way Blizzard's ladder works. It's just that you'll do better if you use it, because good play involves chronoboosting. I don't know why I need to tell you this btw, it's like spider mines in BW are fun and shit at casual level, but they are required when playing mech at high level. Game mechanics are not there just to be fun in this kind of competitive games.
Chrono boost for sc2 is essential like for the protoss race its like protoss playing without building a single pylon , However in Broodwar , Spider mine is matchup specific , TvP spider mine is a must to gain map control on the other hand in a TvZ matchup if you are opting to go mid game aggressive than after the first team of marine,tanks and science vessel move out researching spider mine for security reasons just in case zergs tries to back stab you when you leave your base to gain map control .
Some people don't even have time to use spider mine in TvZ preferring to go http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SK_Terran. Which is a solid build just hope that your zerg opponent doesn't make defiler and hydra combo because hdyra's under swarm tear mnm apart.
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I'm still really curious to see BW pros play SC2. I saw Jaedong/Flash's names weren't on the list but there's still a lot of very good BW players on it.
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On November 06 2011 12:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:49 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:30 Oreo7 wrote:Hydra put on his twitter that he plays both sc1 and 2 for CJ entus, see this pic from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/CBmJS.png yeah already mentioned on the last page. On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote:On November 06 2011 12:14 ZenithM wrote:
This thread...
Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game...
Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. I'm just saying it would not be interesting to add it to BW.
You said that it would break a whole matchup.
Chronoboost just accelerates things. I don't see how it would make things unplayable, you can always balance around that. Just increase build times. Done.
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this is going to be soooo interesting
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On November 06 2011 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
If Flash is playing SC2 in televised match, I am gonna jizz in my pants !. Aw, Cant wait!! hes not going to change the game in any way whatsoever.
He's only going to perfect it.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50466 Posts
On November 06 2011 13:22 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:49 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:30 Oreo7 wrote:Hydra put on his twitter that he plays both sc1 and 2 for CJ entus, see this pic from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/CBmJS.png yeah already mentioned on the last page. On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote:On November 06 2011 12:14 ZenithM wrote:
This thread...
Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game...
Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. I'm just saying it would not be interesting to add it to BW. You said that it would break a whole matchup. Chronoboost just accelerates things. I don't see how it would make things unplayable, you can always balance around that. Just increase build times. Done.
one change after the other the next thing you know BW turns into SC2...I mean sure you could balance times to be longer but if using chronoboost to get something out faster than the longer time then it will probably come out at the regular time before the implementation of chronoboost,therefore in BW standards its pointless and adds more mechanical toughness to a game that is mechanically tough.
while BW's mechanics are really hard to perfect they are at least simple to understand and do, thats the beauty of it.
On November 06 2011 13:27 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
If Flash is playing SC2 in televised match, I am gonna jizz in my pants !. Aw, Cant wait!! hes not going to change the game in any way whatsoever. He's only going to perfect it.
whats stopping the current SC2 players from doing that?
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They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed.
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On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed.
Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him.
edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
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On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
It doesn't matter which game you are talking about, you are wrong. There are innate skills certain people have that will put them above the others no matter how much they practice.
Also that insane practice and dedication are part of what makes Flash so good.
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On November 06 2011 15:29 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw It doesn't matter which game you are talking about, you are wrong. There are innate skills certain people have that will put them above the others no matter how much they practice. Also that insane practice and dedication are part of what makes Flash so good.
This. Certain people have certain talents that just simply put them above the rest in a certain area. I don't care how much you practice sprints, you'll never beat Usain Bolt. If everyone were the same, then why can't we all discover new scientific topics like Newton and Einstein did? Guarantee you could work 10x harder than them and still never figure out the things they did. Flash's talent alone puts him above everyone else. You're naive to think you could simply practice your way to be as good as Flash. Yes the amount of practice contributes to how good he is, but that's not what makes Flash Flash.
Im sure there are thousands who practice harder than mvp (guy doesn't even live at the team house...) So why can't they be better than mvp is?
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On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
You don't understand what makes Flash so incredibly good. He is known more for his genius then his "skill" which in SC2 a game which everyone agrees on requires less mechanical skill his genius will just shine even more.
Money is where the talent is and guess what the best have not even surfaced in terms of SC2 until the best BW players switch to SC2. Nestea's 3 GSL wins doesn't even amount to Flash's salary. I'll use soccer for example, the best players in the world play where the money is which is in Europe, you can't even compare the talent between MLS and European League.
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On November 06 2011 13:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:22 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:49 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:30 Oreo7 wrote:Hydra put on his twitter that he plays both sc1 and 2 for CJ entus, see this pic from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/CBmJS.png yeah already mentioned on the last page. On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote:On November 06 2011 12:14 ZenithM wrote:
This thread...
Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game...
Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. I'm just saying it would not be interesting to add it to BW. You said that it would break a whole matchup. Chronoboost just accelerates things. I don't see how it would make things unplayable, you can always balance around that. Just increase build times. Done. one change after the other the next thing you know BW turns into SC2...I mean sure you could balance times to be longer but if using chronoboost to get something out faster than the longer time then it will probably come out at the regular time before the implementation of chronoboost,therefore in BW standards its pointless and adds more mechanical toughness to a game that is mechanically tough. while BW's mechanics are really hard to perfect they are at least simple to understand and do, thats the beauty of it. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:27 Zooper31 wrote:On November 06 2011 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
If Flash is playing SC2 in televised match, I am gonna jizz in my pants !. Aw, Cant wait!! hes not going to change the game in any way whatsoever. He's only going to perfect it. whats stopping the current SC2 players from doing that?
The same thing that stopped them in BW?
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On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
Yeah, that's why other players dedicate their lives to Starcraft and never win a gold. Everyone's equal!
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On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
this is the type of bs american schools feed to their students: that you can achieve ANYTHING with hard work.
why can't people accept the fact that people have differing talents? you don't think there's probably been thousands of physicists in earth's history who were dedicated and worked just as hard as einstein but you don't see all of them having the same impact on physics as einstein did. i guess it's hard for people to accept reality esp. if they're under the delusion of the American dream
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On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
Trust me someone has to be the best, thats just the way the world works and Flash is the best
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On November 06 2011 15:53 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 krooked wrote:
They are not Flash. Also, they do not have the same RTS experience that the BW pro's has. I am surprised at how many people there is, that underestimate the sheer talent of these players. MVP, a good but not great player is considered the best Sc2 player at this moment. There will be big differences if this list of players change over. Within a year, many of these people will be in the top10 guaranteed. Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him. edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw Trust me someone has to be the best, thats just the way the world works and Flash is the best
dunno this aria character is quite good, and he was a chobo in BW(DeepBlu2 confirmed this)
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On November 06 2011 13:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:22 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:49 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:30 Oreo7 wrote:Hydra put on his twitter that he plays both sc1 and 2 for CJ entus, see this pic from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/CBmJS.png yeah already mentioned on the last page. On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote:On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote:On November 06 2011 12:14 ZenithM wrote:
This thread...
Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game...
Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. I'm just saying it would not be interesting to add it to BW. You said that it would break a whole matchup. Chronoboost just accelerates things. I don't see how it would make things unplayable, you can always balance around that. Just increase build times. Done. one change after the other the next thing you know BW turns into SC2...I mean sure you could balance times to be longer but if using chronoboost to get something out faster than the longer time then it will probably come out at the regular time before the implementation of chronoboost,therefore in BW standards its pointless and adds more mechanical toughness to a game that is mechanically tough. while BW's mechanics are really hard to perfect they are at least simple to understand and do, thats the beauty of it. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:27 Zooper31 wrote:On November 06 2011 12:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 06 2011 12:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
If Flash is playing SC2 in televised match, I am gonna jizz in my pants !. Aw, Cant wait!! hes not going to change the game in any way whatsoever. He's only going to perfect it. whats stopping the current SC2 players from doing that?
They arn't good enough. As someone noted above, the same thing that stopped them from being good in BW is stopping them from actually doing what is capable in SC2.
Compare Flash to any programer playing SC2 at all and he could prob beat them with 1 hand. Talking as if they were all playing BW, Flash obviously doesn't have the SC2 experience at all yet.
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On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:
Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him.
edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw
Actually I'm not so sure. Compared to some BW player Flash actually uses different regions of his brain while playing. Could be a result of some BW enlightenment or magic genes.
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On November 06 2011 16:09 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:23 Corrosive wrote:
Flash doesn't have some magic genes that make him better than everyone else. Yes, he's good, i know, trust me, but ANYONE can be as good as him as long as they practice just as hard as him and are as dedicated as him.
edit: talking about starcraft 2 obviously not bw Actually I'm not so sure. Compared to some BW player Flash actually uses different regions of his brain while playing. Could be a result of some BW enlightenment or magic genes.
Source?
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