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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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habbey
United States405 Posts
On November 05 2011 12:34 Sawamura wrote: 4pool is a cheese , Chrono boost makes macro essentially easy for protoss . I don't know about elitist thing you talking about , If you bothered to look at the thread I posted from alffla , he did a good job on the topic .You should look about it , Personally after playing bw for so long , to give sc2 a try and see my probe and zealot and other units are building much more faster on chrono boost . That put's a smirk on my face , protoss should be a macro monster having them access to such easy mechanics.. Well since you said it yourself , you only played bw once . It's hard for me to take your view into account seriously after all I was not mentioning that sc2 is relatively on a easier term however you guys got access to so much comfortable macro mechanics . Macro shouldn't be an issue at all for sc2. Micro on the other hand that's another thing. On the other hand I had fun playing sc2 casually with friends so don't take me wrong that I am a total elitist , Bw is my main game and Sc2 maybe just to past time . Don't think you're thinking about this issue correctly :-/ If anything protoss's cronoboost makes macro HARDER not easier, as perfect macro now has to make more strategic decisions and it makes you do more actions (as stuff finishes quicker). Of course for the terrible player crono is more forgiving, but that shouldn't be the person you're thinking about... | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:26 habbey wrote: Don't think you're thinking about this issue correctly :-/ If anything protoss's cronoboost makes macro HARDER not easier, as perfect macro now has to make more strategic decisions and it makes you do more actions (as stuff finishes quicker). Of course for the terrible player crono is more forgiving, but that shouldn't be the person you're thinking about... Chrono boost does make macro harder. Because they tweaked the times for just about EVERYTHING so they take longer without chronoboost. It's like they thought you were going to have enough cboost to boost every single thing you're doing, but in reality, you don't. If you want to get ahead economically and don't chrono your wg, sometimes it can cost you the game because the other races get shit out way faster while being economically ahead. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game... Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:14 ZenithM wrote: This thread... Now we're arguing with a BW guy (supposedly) who talks about 1 gate into mass void rays shit and how chronoboost is imba and is the most powerful mechanics in the game... Don't reply to him guys, he's just trolling too much. Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
Names you want to look out for: Shine, Sky and Anytime. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:27 Kenpachi wrote: good news to sc2 guys. you will potentially get players like Perfectman Sexy and Bee! Names you want to look out for: Shine, Sky and Anytime. Source ? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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gradotude
United States196 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote: Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. I think what some people are trying to say is, you are not at the level where chronoing probes will actually be why you lose some games. In other games, chronoing double forge upgrades will be why you win... or lose. Sure, it makes probes build faster, but macro isn't just about building stuff. It's about getting them at certain timings. The chronoboost adds great diversity to protoss timings, which beginners take for granted. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:23 Sawamura wrote: Trolling ?? ,I am just giving an honest feed back from my experience of sc2 laddering and it's fun knowing that with chronoboost I can spend most of the boost switching back and forth from using on my nexus and gateway units . If i spend more of my chronoboost on my nexus , I get a good probe saturation which leads in to good economy and although I will be low on upgrades , I will still have numerous amounts of units to handle any pressure . Zealot , Stalker and collosus unit combo for the win ^^. Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:30 Oreo7 wrote: Hydra put on his twitter that he plays both sc1 and 2 for CJ entus, see this pic from reddit: http://i.imgur.com/CBmJS.png yeah already mentioned on the last page. On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote: Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:31 ZenithM wrote: Yeah, well, you have to spend your chrono on whatever you feel like depending on your gameplan and how the game unfolds, that's just how it works. What's your point exactly? If anything, if we added chronoboost to BW I'm pretty sure it could only be more interesting, not less. Chronoboost is not the first thing I would gun for if I were a BW maniac who wanted to shit on SC2. Trashtalk warpgates, marauders and colossus and you've got a point (well, almost...). Bw maniac yes but trash talking ? I just love the protoss chronoboost mechanic it makes casual play fun ^^ . According to day 9 mental checklist episode 132 . From the beginning he starts chronoboosting his nexus to get more probes done faster so he can get more gateway units out . | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:06 cklrkzk wrote: I dont know why but CJ Entus Hydra's Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/dongwon8247 @dongwon8247 seoul CJ ENTUS / STARCRAFT 1,2 wtf? 1 is okay but 2???? it doesnt imply anything. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:31 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah already mentioned on the last page. I'm actually pretty sure chronoboost would break BW, I would most certainly break PvZ to the point where its completely unplayable for Z. but you're right, its better to trashtalk,warpgates,marauders,colossi and all that stuff. Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. And for Sawamura, chronoboost is not a "cool casual mechanics". At a casual level, anything is cool and fine, as long as you're having fun with it. When you start to play at a higher level, chronoboost is not optional, it's a necessity. Not chronoing your nexus at the start of the game is not "being not funny", it's just being bad. You cannot keep up with the other races without your macro mechanics (as they cannot keep up with your chronoboost without theirs). Protoss builds take into account where and when to dump the chronoboost, it's mandatory. Now, if you're casual and don't use chronoboost, you'll do fine the way Blizzard's ladder works. It's just that you'll do better if you use it, because good play involves chronoboosting. I don't know why I need to tell you this btw, it's like spider mines in BW are fun and shit at casual level, but they are required when playing mech at high level. Game mechanics are not there just to be fun in this kind of competitive games. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On November 06 2011 11:26 habbey wrote: Yeah, although it should be noted that nobody chronoboosts perfectly yet, and the game is currently being balanced around this imperfect chronoboosting.Don't think you're thinking about this issue correctly :-/ If anything protoss's cronoboost makes macro HARDER not easier, as perfect macro now has to make more strategic decisions and it makes you do more actions (as stuff finishes quicker). Of course for the terrible player crono is more forgiving, but that shouldn't be the person you're thinking about... There's never any reason why lowering the build time of something wouldn't be a good thing, so people should really be chronoboosting all game long, all the time, and they don't. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:49 ZenithM wrote: Bah, obviously shit would be added for Zerg and Terran too to balance chrono, but you know what I mean, it's not like chronoboost is a shitty and boring mechanics. It's like creep spread with tumors, it made one aspect of SC2 superior (as in more interesting, somewhat) to SC1. I'm not talking about buffing BW races with random mechanics from SC2. I'm just saying it would not be interesting to add it to BW. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
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