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rift
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 05 2011 09:14 rift wrote: With the announcement of the new KeSPA team I have a feeling there will be at least one more season of SC:BW Proleague/Starleague. I could be wrong though. Heh there is going to be minimum 3 years of BW in korea left. minimum 6 if a sponser picks up 8th team. likely more though in either case. | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On November 05 2011 09:14 rift wrote: With the announcement of the new KeSPA team I have a feeling there will be at least one more season of SC:BW Proleague/Starleague. I could be wrong though. Something like this was bound to happen. They would not just let 50-something players drop out without doing anything. For the SC2 community to speculate how much time BW has left and act like flash already switched over just irritates BW fans. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 05 2011 09:51 figq wrote: The SC2 involvement of major Kespa BW players is not mutually exclusive with all the current BW leagues going on as planned. We'll wait and see. So, was there any info on Jaedong and SC2, at all? Except watching some SC2 at Blizzcon? Only Fantasy and Bisu were seen playing SC2 at Blizzcon. I figure, they might have played some HotS (possibly) behind the scenes while meeting Blizzard reps (I don't buy the bring them to States to see how big foreigner community is argument). | ||
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puppykiller
United States3128 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On November 05 2011 09:21 PrinceXizor wrote: Heh there is going to be minimum 3 years of BW in korea left. minimum 6 if a sponser picks up 8th team. likely more though in either case. Sponsors are signed in 3 - 6 year contracts? That can't be right. | ||
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ShootingStars
1475 Posts
On November 05 2011 10:03 puppykiller wrote: Why is it that whenever fantasy is brought up 50 ppl who probably know jack shit about BW have to make a joke about him and oov that we have all heard way too many times before? The Fantasy GG thing? I can say that too, and I don't know much about BroodWar. Same for the BW fans who say things about SC2. :D Because it's FUN and its ESPORTS. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 05 2011 10:28 ShootingStars wrote: The Fantasy GG thing? I can say that too, and I don't know much about BroodWar. Same for the BW fans who say things about SC2. :D Because it's FUN and its ESPORTS. It isn't called the Fantasy GG THING , It's called Fantasy GG TIMING . On the contrary I laddered a lot in sc2 and what can i say 1 gate zealot and stalker to mass void ray .It's just too easy... the terran didn't stand a chance so this is how corsair is able to function if it is able to attack ground units.... oh and spamming chrono boost makes everything easy .... too edit about that fantasy gg timing ... by alffla ![[image loading]](/staff/alffla/fantasygg.jpg) + Show Spoiler + Hello everyone! Since I hate fantasy's bad gg timing and saw a post from Zona in the most recent PL thread about why people always say fantasy has bad gg timing, I decided to make a compilation of all the games which show the terrible GG timing of fantasy. so here goes! from most recent to old http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/52392_Fantasy_vs_Jaehoon/vod Fantasy has 0 bases and only like 7 goliaths vs a billion carriers and arbiters. doesn't even GG after losing the last goliath. -_- http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/51660_Calm_vs_Fantasy/vod Fantasy has like 2 vultures, long distance mining. hydra lurk all over his base. not as bad as the first one but still. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/50211_Fantasy_vs_XellOs/vod ok so xellos is raining tank fire on his natural, and there is also tank gol in his main base too. buildings are dying left and right. his base is pretty much empty. still doesn't GG for like 5 minutes or something. sheesshh. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/50116_Fantasy_vs_Violet/vod ok so fantasy has no 3rd, no CC at nat, and his main has 1-2 chunks of minerals left. violet has 2 fully saturated bases, carriers, tons of dts, hts, goons etc. doesn't gg for ages. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/49985_Fantasy_vs_Modesty/vod lurkers dropped all over his main. his marine drops are taken out. then his nat dies and 70% of his main is gone. no units. CC lifted. still takes a while. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47692_Fantasy_vs_Neo.G_Soulkey/vod main is cleared. soulkey has like 6 base or something. fantasy proceeds to lift all his burning buildings. then soulkey does ULTRA CONSUME. loool. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47102_Fantasy_vs_Stats/vod 0 units, stats is all over his main. 3rd base has lifted CC -_- takes a while for him to GG. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/44505_Fantasy_vs_free/vod FREE RECALLS SCOUTS. i guess fantasy did defend for a while but it was depleted 2 base vs 3-4 base toss.. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/44356_Fantasy_vs_Stork/vod stork has billion carriers and clears fantasy's main and nat? and 3rd too maybe. he just desperately builds turrets and tries to make starports for wraiths... lol http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/43821_Fantasy_vs_sKyHigh/vod FANTASY Y U LIKE TO FLOAT CC SO MUCH??? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/43813_Fantasy_vs_sKyHigh/vod not as bad as the previous one but still .. he had no units and no factories left for a bit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36836_Fantasy_vs_Jaedong/vod kinda bad.. loses nat bunker with 1 marine, lifts nat CC + rax, only has scvs + 1 vulture and tank in main vs lots of hydras. takes a minute or two for the GG. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36777_Fantasy_vs_Flash/vod fantasy has 2 mining bases and not a lot of units, flash has the the rest of the map on roadrunner. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36676_Fantasy_vs_HyuN/vod 1 vulture and a few scvs left vs 2 hatch zerg with lots of lings. desperately micros vulture for a few minutes -_- ok there are probably more examples but this is the game that first ticked me off http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/27101_Fantasy_vs_Jaedong/vod SERIOUSLY FANTASY floating your cc and rax to anotehr place after getting 4 pooled?? | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On November 05 2011 10:28 ShootingStars wrote: The Fantasy GG thing? I can say that too, and I don't know much about BroodWar. Same for the BW fans who say things about SC2. :D Because it's FUN and its ESPORTS. I think he meant the thought that Fantasy is just iloveoov's puppet. I get irritated with this as well. Some BW fans even say it. I mean, you can't be a consistent proleague monster, league finalist, and 1 time OSL champion (3-0ing) Stork just by being someone's puppet. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 05 2011 12:16 Caladbolg wrote: I think he meant the thought that Fantasy is just iloveoov's puppet. I get irritated with this as well. Some BW fans even say it. I mean, you can't be a consistent proleague monster, league finalist, and 1 time OSL champion (3-0ing) Stork just by being someone's puppet. I was initially following that common presumption that he is a puppet but realistically speaking he isn't really a puppet more like he is inspired by iloveoov after all . When you have a Grand Master Terran like iloveoov who significantly played mech zerg and economic builds coaching you . You will definitely be influenced by him , Fantasy is a iloveoov 2.0 although he is still has so much to learn. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 05 2011 09:21 PrinceXizor wrote: Heh there is going to be minimum 3 years of BW in korea left. minimum 6 if a sponser picks up 8th team. likely more though in either case. Care to explain your reasoning? | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On November 05 2011 12:08 Sawamura wrote: It isn't called the Fantasy GG THING , It's called Fantasy GG TIMING . On the contrary I laddered a lot in sc2 and what can i say 1 gate zealot and stalker to mass void ray .It's just too easy... the terran didn't stand a chance so this is how corsair is able to function if it is able to attack ground units.... oh and spamming chrono boost makes everything easy .... too Oh I played BW once. I 4 pooled and totally owned this guy. That game is SO easy, I should just get my pro-gamer license and become the next bonjwa, because the game is so easy. Do you see how wrong that generalization is? Do you see how biased your generalization is? Just checking. As for people talking about BW jokes, hat is by far the most elitist thing I have heard on this forum. People are actually arguing that some people can't enjoy a joke about Starcraft because they aren't cool enough and because they didn't know Brood War back in the day. You actually just hipstered e-sports, which is just disappointing. I am excited for the prospect of BW Teams playing SC2, and I am also melancholy that Brood War must take a hit from this, but I disparage neither of the sides. I have no idea why cliques must immediately arise in situations like this. Can we not all just get pumped that some players are getting a new battlefield to test their skills? More starcraft no matter the version is ALWAYS a good thing. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 05 2011 12:30 BigKahunaBurger wrote: Oh I played BW once. I 4 pooled and totally owned this guy. That game is SO easy, I should just get my pro-gamer license and become the next bonjwa, because the game is so easy. Do you see how wrong that generalization is? Do you see how biased your generalization is? Just checking. As for people talking about BW jokes, hat is by far the most elitist thing I have heard on this forum. People are actually arguing that some people can't enjoy a joke about Starcraft because they aren't cool enough and because they didn't know Brood War back in the day. You actually just hipstered e-sports, which is just disappointing. I am excited for the prospect of BW Teams playing SC2, and I am also melancholy that Brood War must take a hit from this, but I disparage neither of the sides. I have no idea why cliques must immediately arise in situations like this. Can we not all just get pumped that some players are getting a new battlefield to test their skills? More starcraft no matter the version is ALWAYS a good thing. 4pool is a cheese , Chrono boost makes macro essentially easy for protoss . I don't know about elitist thing you talking about , If you bothered to look at the thread I posted from alffla , he did a good job on the topic .You should look about it , Personally after playing bw for so long , to give sc2 a try and see my probe and zealot and other units are building much more faster on chrono boost . That put's a smirk on my face , protoss should be a macro monster having them access to such easy mechanics.. Well since you said it yourself , you only played bw once . It's hard for me to take your view into account seriously after all I was not mentioning that sc2 is relatively on a easier term however you guys got access to so much comfortable macro mechanics . Macro shouldn't be an issue at all for sc2. Micro on the other hand that's another thing. On the other hand I had fun playing sc2 casually with friends so don't take me wrong that I am a total elitist , Bw is my main game and Sc2 maybe just to past time . | ||
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
On November 05 2011 12:34 Sawamura wrote: 4pool is a cheese , Chrono boost makes macro essentially easy for protoss . I don't know about elitist thing you talking about , If you bothered to look at the thread I posted from alffla , he did a good job on the topic .You should look about it , Personally after playing bw for so long , to give sc2 a try and see my probe and zealot and other units are building much more faster on chrono boost . That put's a smirk on my face , protoss should be a macro monster having them access to such easy mechanics.. Well since you said it yourself , you only played bw once . It's hard for me to take your view into account seriously after all I was not mentioning that sc2 is relatively on a easier term however you guys got access to so much comfortable macro mechanics . Macro shouldn't be an issue at all for sc2. Micro on the other hand that's another thing. You're wrong. Stop picking fights. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
I am not picking fights, I gave sc2 a try these is what I experience . Chrono boost any protoss building and you can see the units building much faster compared to not using chrono boost. Am i wrong ? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Chrono_Boost | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Well New contracts have recently been signed, all we know is that they are multi-year, and due to the fact KESPA themselves is paying for a team for the meantime means it is likely more than two years. thus the 3 year minimum. now KESPA is viewing this 8th team as an investment, they will pay for them until a sponsor picks them up which no doubt could happen at any time as BW is huge in Korea and many companies would look to the exposure to young koreans that BW sponsorships bring. Now if a new company were to enter into the BW scene, then contracts could easily be renewed, as the currently player base will not retire from BW as long as they have an income and reason to play BW over SC2 or go to college ect. the fact that in the player auction many of the younger players were taken in, points to the sponsors and team managers seeing the game in the long picture, that BW will last long enough for these young players to become greats. this gives reasoning to assume that contracts will be renewed at least once, and with stars of teams usually being on multi-year contracts this points to a timeframe between 5 and 6 years at MINIMUM for teams to begin to re-evaluate their position and decide if they should be investing in BW at that point. now if things continue as they have been this past year, i feel that would be the end of BW, but if the sport bounces back as it seems to be doing given recent news, then it could go on from that 5-6 year estimate though likely on a year to year basis. Now add to this the introduction of SC2 to Proleague and you see an influx of foreign revenue and fans to advertise to, more global sponsorships to be given to KESPA teams which would only continue to help BW last. as long as SC2 BW are run together in proleague (but not mixed like 2v2's used to be) then there would be no reason to cease funding to half of the team when half of the team is advertising to korea and the other half to the world. and the only big news, the creation of the 8th team, starring Jaedong the tyrant, no longer being seen as the atlas to hold up the rest of his team he will be able to rest and take turns as the Ace giving him less stress and elongating his career (Flash having another strong terran under him will do the same now as well) not only this but KESPA's own team picked up Baby, a player often seen as a strong terran, who is slowly cleaning up his own weaknesses, could turn out to be a great. KESPA wouldnt' bring baby in unless trying to make a statement to korean businesses that this team is strong, will be seen and talked about often, and is something to look forward to for years. all in all, BW is not going anywhere anytime soon, unless some terrible terrible decisions are made by kespa, which is possible but unlikely. the biggest and most likely cause for failure of BW to continue would be that the 8th team never picks up a sponsorship and KESPA is stuck with a sunk cost that will slowly drain them from BW. | ||
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
On November 05 2011 12:56 PrinceXizor wrote: ... all in all, BW is not going anywhere anytime soon, unless some terrible terrible decisions are made by kespa, which is possible but unlikely. the biggest and most likely cause for failure of BW to continue would be that the 8th team never picks up a sponsorship and KESPA is stuck with a sunk cost that will slowly drain them from BW. this is still a big if... but ideally... a world where bw and sc2 and co-exist ... ooh baby I love it... not sure it's going to happen, at least not in korea, but we can all hope | ||
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Elementy
United States183 Posts
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