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On November 01 2011 00:16 RinconH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:11 Xenocryst wrote:On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully. Not including LAN is not a huge issue there games are quite a bit better than the competition and every gaming company is run by scumbags these days thats why games cost 60$ and you have to register a key code. They're all greedy and they don't care about the consumer just the dollars in there pocket I can't understand this "companies are greedy" attitude. Blizzard can't include LAN because, if they do, all these lazy kids just pirate the fvck out of their games. It's been proven again and again and again. They deserve to make money for delivering an entertaining game. $60 for hundreds/thousands of hours of gameplay? Steal.
well $60 is a robbery if you are living on a monthly allowance, right?
I'm sure that eventually they will have a lan system dedicated for tournaments anyway (maybe even a different version of the game so they can just play outside of the actual battlenet network... it doesnt sound impossible to setup)
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Wow, just read the update. Looks like it's time to turn siege mode off and get the hell out of here.
Arcturus, were outta here... this planet is already lost for good.
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Sadly, this thread makes me feel a little sick inside.
I can't stop checking it though beause I want to see if there is anymore news on this, and I like to see the odd positive and excited comment that pops up from time to time.
I'm so excited by the way SC2 is taking off in the entire gaming world at the moment. While the following in Korea might be comparitively small, and the most closed minded person should be able to see the potential in where things are heading at the moment, purely based on the available market.
As an avid SC2 watcher, I just want to be a little excited about the future of SC2 - we have an expansion on the horizon and by the looks of it an injection of some real talent into the player pool. All of that is just good for the SC2 scene as a whole and as someone posting on an SC2 forum I'm so happy about that.
I wish we could all just live in peace.
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On November 01 2011 00:16 RinconH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:11 Xenocryst wrote:On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully. Not including LAN is not a huge issue there games are quite a bit better than the competition and every gaming company is run by scumbags these days thats why games cost 60$ and you have to register a key code. They're all greedy and they don't care about the consumer just the dollars in there pocket I can't understand this "companies are greedy" attitude. Blizzard can't include LAN because, if they do, all these lazy kids just pirate the fvck out of their games. It's been proven again and again and again. They deserve to make money for delivering an entertaining game. $60 for hundreds/thousands of hours of gameplay? Steal.
Proven? By whom? When? How?
The Chinese have pirated the game regardless of the lack of LAN. I also know plenty of people who pirate games, and not a single one of them would buy the game if he was unable to obtain it illegally - he'd simply skip it...
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On November 01 2011 00:18 awesomo0O wrote:
wow midas is already top100 on KR ladder after a few weeks of practice...and he is just a second tier player in bw...cant imagine how the otehres will do..
second tier? back in his prime, he was the best terran in the world, only held back by a certain zerg that shall remain nameless.
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On November 01 2011 00:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:09 Weedk wrote:On November 01 2011 00:04 Zzoram wrote:On November 01 2011 00:03 PlosionCornu wrote:On November 01 2011 00:00 Zzoram wrote:On October 31 2011 23:58 Archvil3 wrote:
Why argue BW vs SC2?
It doesnt matter lol. It wont change anything. The transition is going to happen and it is likely to happen as early as HoTS release, maybe even before that. Die Hard BW fans cannot stop with that with their opinions.
So the BW fans wont transition with their players cause they dont like the game? Wow what a loss. It's okay, we only wanted the players in the first place. Hopefully the fan girls follow the BW pros. That's the biggest thing lacking in the SC2 scene. The crowds are 99% guys unlike the BW crowds that can be >50% girls. Initially they will follow their idols. But if the show isn't entertaining they will quit I fear. SC2 is entertaining, and has only been getting moreso lately as the level of play has been rising. People watched Boxer in life jackets play 1 base 80apm Terran at midnight in the early days of Broodwar. SC2 is already years ahead of that. It won't be truly entertaining unless FBH switches over with all of his ceremonial goodness. FBH is a monk now. I don't expect any more ceremonies from him. 
NOOOOOOOOO!!!
So we'll never see the heart of nydus worms or some such? :'(
Dammit pro players, you're all gonna have to step up with the ceremonies.
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On November 01 2011 00:16 RinconH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:11 Xenocryst wrote:On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully. Not including LAN is not a huge issue there games are quite a bit better than the competition and every gaming company is run by scumbags these days thats why games cost 60$ and you have to register a key code. They're all greedy and they don't care about the consumer just the dollars in there pocket I can't understand this "companies are greedy" attitude. Blizzard can't include LAN because, if they do, all these lazy kids just pirate the fvck out of their games. It's been proven again and again and again. They deserve to make money for delivering an entertaining game. $60 for hundreds/thousands of hours of gameplay? Steal.
They didn't include lan to stop things like KESPA,PVPGN,etc from happening again, where they lose control of their IP. Ultimately they created a system where THEY regulate everything, in the process it hurt tournaments and players but they are thinking of themselves first
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On November 01 2011 00:05 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:58 Archvil3 wrote:
Why argue BW vs SC2?
It doesnt matter lol. It wont change anything. The transition is going to happen and it is likely to happen as early as HoTS release, maybe even before that. Die Hard BW fans cannot stop with that with their opinions.
So the BW fans wont transition with their players cause they dont like the game? Wow what a loss. It's okay, we only wanted the players in the first place. If the BW fans don't like SC2, then what reason do the top BW players have to transition? May as well just call it quits and move on with your life instead of switching to something lesser (both in terms of difficulty and local popularity).
Maybe because it's a pretty sure fire way to continue to earn money and get the chance to travel the world? Maybe get paid to come to sweden for some DH or go to the US for MLG, or any of the other venues around the world for SC2. Doesn't sound like a horrible way to make a living to me...
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On November 01 2011 00:19 ambra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:16 RinconH wrote:On November 01 2011 00:11 Xenocryst wrote:On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully. Not including LAN is not a huge issue there games are quite a bit better than the competition and every gaming company is run by scumbags these days thats why games cost 60$ and you have to register a key code. They're all greedy and they don't care about the consumer just the dollars in there pocket I can't understand this "companies are greedy" attitude. Blizzard can't include LAN because, if they do, all these lazy kids just pirate the fvck out of their games. It's been proven again and again and again. They deserve to make money for delivering an entertaining game. $60 for hundreds/thousands of hours of gameplay? Steal. well $60 is a robbery if you are living on a monthly allowance, right? I'm sure that eventually they will have a lan system dedicated for tournaments anyway (maybe even a different version of the game so they can just play outside of the actual battlenet network... it doesnt sound impossible to setup)
what the F are you smoking? Its not like you live in pakistan or india, you live in EU and sorry to be blunt but 60$ for a game that you play thousands of hours is pretty cheep, my country has 200 eur average wage and i am still buying blizzard games because they are worth their value.
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On October 31 2011 23:55 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:50 figq wrote:On October 31 2011 23:28 antilyon wrote:
all of them will be hybrids? That's my most optimistic wish - all of them to play some SC2 competitively, but not too much. Yet, just enough to dominate the scene like never before. We'll see if that's even possible. (sorry if that sounds crazy and offensive to SC2, but in my honest opinion, it's not completely out of the question) Also, I'm not entirely sure if there will be united SC2 scene, at least in the beginning. Maybe they will have their own Kespa SC2 scene and never compete with the GSL scene, which would be sad. It's not out of the question skill wise but like anything else in life, the amount of time put in to something is usually a precursor to what you get out of it. Most importantly, the occasional SC2 players strategies will be outdated which is a no no in SC2. You can't just play better with an old strategy and still win vs. someone with comparable mechanics and a much more refined strategy. It won't work out well, even for the best of the best BW pros. I know; well, let's say it sounds like a challenge worthy of the best people in multitasking in the world.  Also, Stephano did it... okay, okay, let's assume he's riding the element of surprise.
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On November 01 2011 00:20 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:16 RinconH wrote:On November 01 2011 00:11 Xenocryst wrote:On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully. Not including LAN is not a huge issue there games are quite a bit better than the competition and every gaming company is run by scumbags these days thats why games cost 60$ and you have to register a key code. They're all greedy and they don't care about the consumer just the dollars in there pocket I can't understand this "companies are greedy" attitude. Blizzard can't include LAN because, if they do, all these lazy kids just pirate the fvck out of their games. It's been proven again and again and again. They deserve to make money for delivering an entertaining game. $60 for hundreds/thousands of hours of gameplay? Steal. Proven? By whom? When? How? The Chinese have pirated the game regardless of the lack of LAN. I also know plenty of people who pirate games, and not a single one of them would buy the game if he was unable to obtain it illegally - he'd simply skip it...
And i know lots of people that download all their singleplayer games and only buy the ones that have online authentication to play. None of us have more than subjective experiences that don't really mean much.
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On November 01 2011 00:10 Archvil3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:05 Toadvine wrote:On October 31 2011 23:58 Archvil3 wrote:
Why argue BW vs SC2?
It doesnt matter lol. It wont change anything. The transition is going to happen and it is likely to happen as early as HoTS release, maybe even before that. Die Hard BW fans cannot stop with that with their opinions.
So the BW fans wont transition with their players cause they dont like the game? Wow what a loss. It's okay, we only wanted the players in the first place. If the BW fans don't like SC2, then what reason do the top BW players have to transition? May as well just call it quits and move on with your life instead of switching to something lesser (both in terms of difficulty and local popularity). Yep, indeed. Just move on and dont look back. The rest of us will be looking at some awesome SC2 games between Flashdong and friends. We will have a good time doing so. It is going to be great and I look forward to it. I hope it is going to live up to the hype they get.
I think you should reread my post. The whole point was that there is no reason for JD or Flash to switch, it'd be downgrade for them in almost every way, unless some kind of miracle happens.
On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully.
Well, ever since TFT, all they've been releasing are WoW expansions, and even those of declining quality. They let the likes of Browder make the sequel to their most popular game. And now Diablo 3 looks like yet another WoW expansion in a slightly different engine.
So yeah, they've been on a steady decline since like 2003. Kind of hard to look forward to the future of SC2 with these people supervising it.
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On November 01 2011 00:20 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:18 awesomo0O wrote:
wow midas is already top100 on KR ladder after a few weeks of practice...and he is just a second tier player in bw...cant imagine how the otehres will do.. second tier? back in his prime, he was the best terran in the world, only held back by a certain zerg that shall remain nameless.
He's second tier like how Julyzerg and Nada are second tier. Washed up former great player.
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On November 01 2011 00:01 ambra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 23:52 Zzoram wrote:
I just want to see players like Flash and Jaedong play against MVP and Nestea to see if they can translate their sick BW skills to SC2. well some of them eventually will regardless of what the haters think. As someone who plays and enjoys watching professional matches for fun, I just think "the more, the better" and all this "startcraft 2 is for noobs and kids" and "broodwar is for nostalgic tryhards" shitstorm makes me vomit... every gamer and everyone with a passion for starcraft should be happy about how the things are developing instead of investing time hating.
I'm sorry, but for a lot of us this is not a forward development, it is a regression. I am not interested in the Starcraft theme, or whether or not a game has Starcraft in the title. I simply do not care about the popularity of the esports movement, or whether that movement has global reach. I am interested in the high level gameplay showcased by the Brood War pro scene. That pro scene seems to be coming to an end, and is being replaced with what I feel is a radically different and inferior game that shares few of the characteristics that make Brood War awesome. Additionally, Blizzard has shown a trend toward moving the game further away from what made Brood War great, making it very difficult to believe SC2 fans when they tell us to wait for the game to improve.
It's extremely irritating when SC2 fans constantly pine over BW pros, and refer to their game as natural progression. SC2 already has a vibrant pro scene it's not necessary to wish for Brood War to die.
I am also extremely disappointed that Kespa would cave after standing up to Blizzard, and resisting a switch in an extreme manner for such a long. To me this amounts to the most disgusting type of betrayal. Kespa had presented the image of being committed to the survival of BW, by attracting new sponsors, and establishing a new management system, but then stabbed BW in the back and left us all say et tu kespa. It seems like Kespa cares nothing for the survival of Broodwar, or the loyalty of longtime fans, and is instead looking to cash in with the next big thing. Once Blizzard softened its stance, Kespa came running like some hungry dog.
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On November 01 2011 00:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:09 Weedk wrote:On November 01 2011 00:04 Zzoram wrote:On November 01 2011 00:03 PlosionCornu wrote:On November 01 2011 00:00 Zzoram wrote:On October 31 2011 23:58 Archvil3 wrote:
Why argue BW vs SC2?
It doesnt matter lol. It wont change anything. The transition is going to happen and it is likely to happen as early as HoTS release, maybe even before that. Die Hard BW fans cannot stop with that with their opinions.
So the BW fans wont transition with their players cause they dont like the game? Wow what a loss. It's okay, we only wanted the players in the first place. Hopefully the fan girls follow the BW pros. That's the biggest thing lacking in the SC2 scene. The crowds are 99% guys unlike the BW crowds that can be >50% girls. Initially they will follow their idols. But if the show isn't entertaining they will quit I fear. SC2 is entertaining, and has only been getting moreso lately as the level of play has been rising. People watched Boxer in life jackets play 1 base 80apm Terran at midnight in the early days of Broodwar. SC2 is already years ahead of that. It won't be truly entertaining unless FBH switches over with all of his ceremonial goodness. FBH is a monk now. I don't expect any more ceremonies from him.
Wait til he gets out of army and see, wait and see...
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On November 01 2011 00:27 Pelopidas wrote:
I am also extremely disappointed that Kespa would cave after standing up to Blizzard, and resisting a switch in an extreme manner for such a long. To me this amounts to the most disgusting type of betrayal. Kespa had presented the image of being committed to the survival of BW, by attracting new sponsors, and establishing a new management system, but then stabbed BW in the back and left us all say et tu kespa. It seems like Kespa cares nothing for the survival of Broodwar, or the loyalty of longtime fans, and is instead looking to cash in with the next big thing. Once Blizzard softened its stance, Kespa came running like some hungry dog.
Hopefully that's not the case and there are simply going to be two separate ProLeagues. Remember those are still just rumours. We don't know what model the next season of PL will use. Putting so much effort to find new sponsors for the disbanded teams would turn out to be a massive waste of time and effort otherwise.
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On November 01 2011 00:25 Toadvine wrote:
I think you should reread my post. The whole point was that there is no reason for JD or Flash to switch, it'd be downgrade for them in almost every way, unless some kind of miracle happens.
And you must understand my point. No amount of argueing on TL is going to prevent what is going to happen soon. You can say SC2 sucks, you can say you are going to quit life and what not. All signs points toward the transition. You cant deny it. It is going to happen.
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On November 01 2011 00:16 RinconH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:11 Xenocryst wrote:On November 01 2011 00:09 maybenexttime wrote:On November 01 2011 00:06 Xenocryst wrote:On October 31 2011 22:27 maybenexttime wrote:On October 31 2011 22:23 hitthat wrote:On October 31 2011 22:03 maybenexttime wrote:
I meant tournaments boycotting blizzard. Standing up and saying "we won't use your game unless you include LAN". Uhh, dont you think it's quite naive and childish? KeSPA stood up, China stood up. It's possible. The organisations behind the large events would have to be unanimous, though. I don't think Blizzard actually gives a shit at all, they're raking in tons of money and they will lose more on LAN because less people will buy it then they will make on tourneys. Blizzard is not going to back down they will just laugh and eventually they will live without LAN They are slowly destroying their reputation, and they've been riding on it for the past several years. Their games are not that much better than the competition anymore and their support for the games is questionable. That'll bite them in the ass sooner or later, hopefully. Not including LAN is not a huge issue there games are quite a bit better than the competition and every gaming company is run by scumbags these days thats why games cost 60$ and you have to register a key code. They're all greedy and they don't care about the consumer just the dollars in there pocket I can't understand this "companies are greedy" attitude. Blizzard can't include LAN because, if they do, all these lazy kids just pirate the fvck out of their games. It's been proven again and again and again. They deserve to make money for delivering an entertaining game. $60 for hundreds/thousands of hours of gameplay? Steal.
LAN for SC2 already exists. You can pirate it and play online, and have a better experience than with bnet because of no 200ms forced lag.
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am I the only one who popped a semi boner out of reading this? Very excited to see how this'll develop.
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On November 01 2011 00:25 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 00:20 GTR wrote:On November 01 2011 00:18 awesomo0O wrote:
wow midas is already top100 on KR ladder after a few weeks of practice...and he is just a second tier player in bw...cant imagine how the otehres will do.. second tier? back in his prime, he was the best terran in the world, only held back by a certain zerg that shall remain nameless. He's second tier like how Julyzerg and Nada are second tier. Washed up former great player.
Julyzerg, NaDa 2nd tier washed up? WOW
NaDa's profil BW only Spans to 2009 where he switched to SC2
Julyzerg profile BW only
Julyzerg was THE zerg and still is.
Washed up? think again
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