BW Teams playing Starcraft 2 - Page 111

On October 30 2011 19:08 TheAntZ wrote:


I think its also a bit like

BW fans: Man I hope the thing I like watching doesnt die, because i dont want to watch something new and shiny

SC2 fans: lol i hope bw dies and players i never even watched working their art can transition over to my game
because my game has BETTER GRAPHICS!



Dude what? The sc1 queen was a pretty bad unit in most situations. The new queen design even looks better

On October 30 2011 22:50 Djagulingu wrote:

This issue is more of a quality issue rather than quantity and it also depends on which forum you check out and when. As someone who checks BW forum more than SC2 forum, for every 1 person who bashes SC2, I see something like 6 or 7 SC2 trolls who want BW to die and all its progamers move on to SC2. The numbers are doubled if there is some news about a BW progaming team or a BW Broadcasting Channel disbanding. Those threads probably still have carpet bans of SC2 trolls in it.


It's more like this:

SC2 fan: "Give sc2 a try. It's got a lot of potential plus there are many great things in the game such as (insert anything you like about the game, such as marine micro, baneling carpet bombs, landmines, big ZvT engagements, anything you like)"
BW fan: "Oh ok, I don't think I'll die from watching a game of SC2 or 2."

After watching some SC2:

BW fan: "Where is my shuttle-reaver control? Hold position lurkers? Mutalisk control? Defilers? And please don't say a word about those flying things that have the same name as my mutalisks, infestors and banelings. Also did this colossus thing actually replace reavers? Lol nope. BW is the best. SC2 sucks."

On October 30 2011 23:13 Fenrax wrote:
This is a serious question: How could SC II ever be a serious sport if the game doesn't even have LAN?

On October 30 2011 23:22 figq wrote:
Not sure if you followed, but there were a number of "accidents" already due to the lack of LAN. Funniest at IPL3, where a whole luxury casino complex with its red velvet seats and so on has a major Internet breakdown, and the tournament can't be played for half a day. As a result Huk and Boxer played Broodwar. Because it has LAN.

Constant issues with lag in big events, even in those closely supervised by Blizzard, because if there's no good ping to Battle.net, SC2 can't run. So yeah, the issue is getting very serious. Dustin Browder from Blizz said that LAN is not planned at all, but they are trying to work with big tournaments. Perhaps provide them with special version of the game that supports something like LAN (at least so that if there's no Internet, they can still play, and bad ping to bnet doesn't lag the game).

On October 30 2011 23:22 figq wrote:
Not sure if you followed, but there were a number of "accidents" already due to the lack of LAN. Funniest at IPL3, where a whole luxury casino complex with its red velvet seats and so on has a major Internet breakdown, and the tournament can't be played for half a day. As a result Huk and Boxer played Broodwar. Because it has LAN.

Constant issues with lag in big events, even in those closely supervised by Blizzard, because if there's no good ping to Battle.net, SC2 can't run. So yeah, the issue is getting very serious. Dustin Browder from Blizz said that LAN is not planned at all, but they are trying to work with big tournaments. Perhaps provide them with special version of the game that supports something like LAN (at least so that if there's no Internet, they can still play, and bad ping to bnet doesn't lag the game).

On October 30 2011 21:14 Ruscour wrote:

But dude, SC2 is just riding the success of BW, the perfect game, designed purely to manipulate idiots into giving Activision money. Don't you know anything? Gosh.

On October 30 2011 23:26 DerpDog wrote:
I'd think most BW fans have already watched, if not played, SC2. It's my impression though that SC2 fans on the other hand more often than not haven't really had a look at BW (coming from other RTS or different genres entirely) or know what the game is like, yet feel like they have the right to tell others that it's a relic and irrelevant. I think it's totally fine that people play the game they like the most, but don't talk shit about BW if all you know is SC2 (and vice versa, though I feel most BW fans already know what SC2 is like).

I wasn't a fan of BW when SC2 came out. I like the game better in every way now though (after watching VODs of pro games, it's just more impressive and intense), and I know plenty of people who feel the same way coming straight from SC2. I do think it would be very sad to see the pro BW teams disband for SC2 because I personally just don't find SC2 as entertaining to spectate or play. Flash could no doubt be a beast in SC2, but I don't think we will ever see the level of dominance in SC2 as we have seen in BW. Like others have said, there are fewer things to separate the people who play 12 hours a day from the people who play 4 in terms of micro (and because the macro is easier, that too).

As far as that micro AI goes, it's not something a human will ever be physically capable of. Realistically, there are not as many units that scale with the skill of the player in SC2. Of course you still have to make the right units at the right time, but the difference in how much a pro can get out of those units compared to an amateur is much smaller in SC2 than BW. Jaedong can do so much more with his mutas than even other pro gamers (who play hours and hours every day for years) and you just don't see that as much in SC2 and sadly I don't think we ever will because of the way the units, the pathing and smartcasting works, and Browder has already said they are never going to change it.

On October 30 2011 23:25 Bobster wrote:

Fairly certain he just said that to calm people down.

LAN's not coming. Everything must go through battle.net. They don't want a repeat of another organisation "running away" with their game.


I dislike it as much as anyone else, but Activision-Blizzard is a reality, and it's obviously affecting the company's decisions.

On October 30 2011 23:31 Fenrax wrote:


A weak community is also the reality. I didn't buy the game because of the lack of LAN. I will buy it the instant it gets LAN (so probably never).

How can Blizzard even dare to fuck their customers like that? How does the community let them get away with it?

Refuse to watch games of this company. Refuse to register at their or their partners sites. Talk bad about them wherever you can because they deserve it. Attack their reputation. Don't give them money. LAN is the big thing, the fat giant dinosaur in the room, but people don't realize just how important LAN is to Esports. Connectivity issues are just a small part of it.

On October 30 2011 23:31 Fenrax wrote:


A weak community is also the reality. I didn't buy the game because of the lack of LAN. I will buy it the instant it gets LAN (so probably never).

How can Blizzard even dare to fuck their customers like that? How does the community let them get away with it?

Refuse to watch games of this company. Refuse to register at their or their partners sites. Talk bad about them wherever you can because they deserve it. Attack their reputation. Don't give them money. LAN is the big thing, the fat giant dinosaur in the room, but people don't realize just how important LAN is to Esports. Connectivity issues are just a small part of it.

On October 30 2011 23:34 Sandermatt wrote:


What else except the occasional connectivity issues is part of it (does the ping really hinder the players, when they do not play cross server?)