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On October 30 2011 20:51 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 19:08 TheAntZ wrote:On October 30 2011 18:35 Spidinko wrote:
This thread is looking sort of like this:
SC2 fans: "Give sc2 a try. It's got a lot of potential plus there are many great things in the game such as .."
BW fans: "Lol nope. BW is the best. SC2 sucks."
I know people are emotional about it but this isn't really a place to flame the other game. If you don't like it, don't play it. You don't have to come to SC2 forum to tell SC2 players that your game is better. I think its also a bit like BW fans: Man I hope the thing I like watching doesnt die, because i dont want to watch something new and shiny SC2 fans: lol i hope bw dies and players i never even watched working their art can transition over to my game because my game has BETTER GRAPHICS! BW Queen > SC2 Queen Dude what? The sc1 queen was a pretty bad unit in most situations. The new queen design even looks better I would just like it if the BW fans could not express their pain by posting BW>SC2, SC2 is just a-move, all sc2 units are worse than Bw units, SC2 requires no skill,... . I am not saying all of the BW fans do this, but in this thread many did this. I see few people attacking BW, many SC2 fans do not care about BW, but i see much fewer attacking it, except as a response to a posting where somebody attacks SC2. It could be my perspective that leads to this perception, but to me it seems this way. Edit: Sorry, I read the posting below me.
It definetly comes from both sides, when you're watching a bw stream there will always be people telling how bad the graphics are etc. It's just a couple of idiots annoying the fuck out of everyone which then evolves into another sc2 vs bw debate -.-
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On October 30 2011 20:56 SlaveboyZerg wrote:
This is really a good thing in my book. I'm so sick of all the BW talk and whine on this site. Hopefully, in the near future, we'll all talk about Starcraf 2 together. Could you please clarify what exactly makes you angry about the "BW talk"? Because people on TL talk about a lot of games, there are even dedicated sections for Dota, LoL etc. They annoy you too, or?
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SC2 IS riding the success of BW. SC2 is obviously a great ESPORT (contrary to popular milkis' opinion), but What the hell rofl, you honestly think that sc2 would be where it is now if broodwar hadnt paved the way by being extremely successful as an esport in korea?
Fuck man, sc2 is a great game, but you're delusional
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On October 30 2011 21:16 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 20:51 Sandermatt wrote:On October 30 2011 19:08 TheAntZ wrote:On October 30 2011 18:35 Spidinko wrote:
This thread is looking sort of like this:
SC2 fans: "Give sc2 a try. It's got a lot of potential plus there are many great things in the game such as .."
BW fans: "Lol nope. BW is the best. SC2 sucks."
I know people are emotional about it but this isn't really a place to flame the other game. If you don't like it, don't play it. You don't have to come to SC2 forum to tell SC2 players that your game is better. I think its also a bit like BW fans: Man I hope the thing I like watching doesnt die, because i dont want to watch something new and shiny SC2 fans: lol i hope bw dies and players i never even watched working their art can transition over to my game because my game has BETTER GRAPHICS! BW Queen > SC2 Queen Dude what? The sc1 queen was a pretty bad unit in most situations. The new queen design even looks better I would just like it if the BW fans could not express their pain by posting BW>SC2, SC2 is just a-move, all sc2 units are worse than Bw units, SC2 requires no skill,... . I am not saying all of the BW fans do this, but in this thread many did this. I see few people attacking BW, many SC2 fans do not care about BW, but i see much fewer attacking it, except as a response to a posting where somebody attacks SC2. It could be my perspective that leads to this perception, but to me it seems this way. Edit: Sorry, I read the posting below me. It definetly comes from both sides, when you're watching a bw stream there will always be people telling how bad the graphics are etc. It's just a couple of idiots annoying the fuck out of everyone which then evolves into another sc2 vs bw debate -.-
there have been about 12 people who've been trolling the BW section that i've seen, and about 50 BW fans who come to the sc2 section and talk bad about SC2 constantly. now obviously there are going to be some repeats (some of the BW fans were <1 month old account so likely a new account just for trolling). but yeah i've seen alot more sc2 bashing than i've seen "hope bw dies, want bw to die" and i do read both sections.
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I'm actually quite puzzled by kespa's decisions atm.
They claim to be still in the preliminary discussions about sc2, yet still they have already provided their teams with sc2 level gear to play with.
What if gom or blizzard don't give them permission, or somehow they end up deeming sc2 not viable, for business/gameplay/whatever reasons.
Those high end pcs aren't gonna be useful anymore, pros cannot play bw on widescreen and win7.
I mean, I think they are jumping the gun a bit too much.
Ofc, it could be extremely probable that gaming gear was provided for free or an advantagious price by sponsors or w/e.
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On October 30 2011 21:21 PrinceXizor wrote:
but yeah i've seen alot more sc2 bashing than i've seen "hope bw dies, want bw to die" and i do read both sections.
I've read both this thread and the 'sc2 in proleague?' thread entirely, and i strongly disagree with this
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On October 30 2011 19:28 Suisen wrote:
Blizzard's refusal to let Kespa do SC2 was what kept SC BW alive and did extreme damage to the SC2 esports scene in Korea.
I would have liked to see Blizzard keep down their own game (incompetence much?) so Kespa could continue with their game SC BW for a bit longer.
Now that Kespa teams start with SC2, SC BW will soon disappear and everything in SC2 will change. You thought you were on the no.1 SC2 team? Well, maybe now you are the no.5 best team.
i dont see it that way - Kespa is the worst thing that could ever happen to esports. You can think of kespa like some sort of fascistic regime that treats pro players like slaves.
Blizzard refusing to let kespa get their hands on sc2 is/was a good thing at least for the pros.
I love broodwar but some day it will just die off - the fanbase is shrinking on a daily basis, even on TL the BW section is kinda empty 10posts/day compared to 1000 in the sc2 forum. Blizzard tried to kill scbw with the refusal to give them TV rights there was a huge court case that you probably dont remember. People stop streaming/casting/featuring scbw, people stop playing on iccup and switch to sc2...
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Why are we even making this a BW vs SC2, BW fans vs. SC2 fans argument?
BW is a great game with a lot of history and a ridiculously high level of competition.
SC2 is a great game that's newer and still developing.
There's nothing wrong with liking either of them. Arguing with people on TL isn't going to change the future of either game. The best way to settle the argument is to just shut up and watch whatever you enjoy more.
We don't even know anything for certain yet, so may as well just wait and see.
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On October 30 2011 21:29 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 19:28 Suisen wrote:
Blizzard's refusal to let Kespa do SC2 was what kept SC BW alive and did extreme damage to the SC2 esports scene in Korea.
I would have liked to see Blizzard keep down their own game (incompetence much?) so Kespa could continue with their game SC BW for a bit longer.
Now that Kespa teams start with SC2, SC BW will soon disappear and everything in SC2 will change. You thought you were on the no.1 SC2 team? Well, maybe now you are the no.5 best team.
i dont see it that way - Kespa is the worst thing that could ever happen to esports. You can think of kespa like some sort of fascistic regime that treats pro players like slaves.
It's not like they made the only functional and successful e-sport with regular player salaries or anything like that.
I used to hate Kespa with a passion until I saw how things are being done in western e-sports.
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On October 30 2011 21:34 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 21:29 idonthinksobro wrote:On October 30 2011 19:28 Suisen wrote:
Blizzard's refusal to let Kespa do SC2 was what kept SC BW alive and did extreme damage to the SC2 esports scene in Korea.
I would have liked to see Blizzard keep down their own game (incompetence much?) so Kespa could continue with their game SC BW for a bit longer.
Now that Kespa teams start with SC2, SC BW will soon disappear and everything in SC2 will change. You thought you were on the no.1 SC2 team? Well, maybe now you are the no.5 best team.
i dont see it that way - Kespa is the worst thing that could ever happen to esports. You can think of kespa like some sort of fascistic regime that treats pro players like slaves. It's not like they made the only functional and successful e-sport with regular player salaries or anything like that. I used to hate Kespa with a passion until I saw how things are being done in western e-sports.
I still hate kespa, but without kespa BW probably wouldnt have gotten as huge
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Sad news in the sense that BW might be getting an even smaller scene once pro BW players make the switch. But really exciting because hopefully we'll be able to see even more inhumane gameplay from some sick players. Hopefully also, these players will be able to develop the game and discover usage for some of the units that currently are underused (Hydra anyone?  )
Jaedong 화이팅!
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On October 30 2011 21:32 dormer wrote:
Why are we even making this a BW vs SC2, BW fans vs. SC2 fans argument?
BW is a great game with a lot of history and a ridiculously high level of competition.
SC2 is a great game that's newer and still developing.
There's nothing wrong with liking either of them. Arguing with people on TL isn't going to change the future of either game. The best way to settle the argument is to just shut up and watch whatever you enjoy more.
We don't even know anything for certain yet, so may as well just wait and see.
Exactly this. You can discuss what game is better for what reasons until the end of the world, but in the end it won't get you anywhere but angry.
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What I like about the possibility of this happening is that finally we will get to see Jaedong/Flash/Bisu play sc2 and see where they stack up. Obviously they will not do as well in sc2 as they have in BW.
The reasons for this are manifold, but BW haters are gonna say because SC2 is harder, and BW Lovers are gonna say it's precisely because it's not a hard game that their true talents aren't shining.
In reality both arguments are correct. If either argument were incorrect Julyzerg and Nada would have at least one GSL trophy at this time
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Imagine a proleague where they alternated games.. I would literally never miss a broadcast. Some of the top SC2 players on teams with BW players, mixing it up between games and maps and races. That would be the shit ><
(love both games <3)
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On October 30 2011 22:10 Clerseri wrote:
Imagine a proleague where they alternated games.. I would literally never miss a broadcast. Some of the top SC2 players on teams with BW players, mixing it up between games and maps and races. That would be the shit ><
(love both games <3)
sure it would be exciting for you but it would be really annoying for those who don't follow both games.having 2 separate proleagues is much better really.
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On October 30 2011 21:36 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 21:34 Talin wrote:On October 30 2011 21:29 idonthinksobro wrote:On October 30 2011 19:28 Suisen wrote:
Blizzard's refusal to let Kespa do SC2 was what kept SC BW alive and did extreme damage to the SC2 esports scene in Korea.
I would have liked to see Blizzard keep down their own game (incompetence much?) so Kespa could continue with their game SC BW for a bit longer.
Now that Kespa teams start with SC2, SC BW will soon disappear and everything in SC2 will change. You thought you were on the no.1 SC2 team? Well, maybe now you are the no.5 best team.
i dont see it that way - Kespa is the worst thing that could ever happen to esports. You can think of kespa like some sort of fascistic regime that treats pro players like slaves. It's not like they made the only functional and successful e-sport with regular player salaries or anything like that. I used to hate Kespa with a passion until I saw how things are being done in western e-sports. I still hate kespa, but without kespa BW probably wouldnt have gotten as huge
Hating Kespa is like hating NBA owners/David Stern. They're the big, bad greedy businessmen who take away from the purity of the sport.
And then when you think about it a bit, you'd realize that it's still better to have an established organizational structure and in-built sponsorship, marketing, fanbase, etc. that allows for the best players to shine, rather than to have tons of disorganized random tournaments.
Yeah, Kespa can be more humane. But from a spectator's standpoint, I care the most about quality of play. And Kespa can certainly give us that because they have by far the best RTS players in the entire world.
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On October 30 2011 21:21 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 21:16 RvB wrote:On October 30 2011 20:51 Sandermatt wrote:On October 30 2011 19:08 TheAntZ wrote:On October 30 2011 18:35 Spidinko wrote:
This thread is looking sort of like this:
SC2 fans: "Give sc2 a try. It's got a lot of potential plus there are many great things in the game such as .."
BW fans: "Lol nope. BW is the best. SC2 sucks."
I know people are emotional about it but this isn't really a place to flame the other game. If you don't like it, don't play it. You don't have to come to SC2 forum to tell SC2 players that your game is better. I think its also a bit like BW fans: Man I hope the thing I like watching doesnt die, because i dont want to watch something new and shiny SC2 fans: lol i hope bw dies and players i never even watched working their art can transition over to my game because my game has BETTER GRAPHICS! BW Queen > SC2 Queen Dude what? The sc1 queen was a pretty bad unit in most situations. The new queen design even looks better I would just like it if the BW fans could not express their pain by posting BW>SC2, SC2 is just a-move, all sc2 units are worse than Bw units, SC2 requires no skill,... . I am not saying all of the BW fans do this, but in this thread many did this. I see few people attacking BW, many SC2 fans do not care about BW, but i see much fewer attacking it, except as a response to a posting where somebody attacks SC2. It could be my perspective that leads to this perception, but to me it seems this way. Edit: Sorry, I read the posting below me. It definetly comes from both sides, when you're watching a bw stream there will always be people telling how bad the graphics are etc. It's just a couple of idiots annoying the fuck out of everyone which then evolves into another sc2 vs bw debate -.- there have been about 12 people who've been trolling the BW section that i've seen, and about 50 BW fans who come to the sc2 section and talk bad about SC2 constantly. now obviously there are going to be some repeats (some of the BW fans were <1 month old account so likely a new account just for trolling). but yeah i've seen alot more sc2 bashing than i've seen "hope bw dies, want bw to die" and i do read both sections.
This issue is more of a quality issue rather than quantity and it also depends on which forum you check out and when. As someone who checks BW forum more than SC2 forum, for every 1 person who bashes SC2, I see something like 6 or 7 SC2 trolls who want BW to die and all its progamers move on to SC2. The numbers are doubled if there is some news about a BW progaming team or a BW Broadcasting Channel disbanding. Those threads probably still have carpet bans of SC2 trolls in it.
On October 30 2011 18:35 Spidinko wrote:
This thread is looking sort of like this:
SC2 fans: "Give sc2 a try. It's got a lot of potential plus there are many great things in the game such as .."
BW fans: "Lol nope. BW is the best. SC2 sucks."
I know people are emotional about it but this isn't really a place to flame the other game. If you don't like it, don't play it. You don't have to come to SC2 forum to tell SC2 players that your game is better.
It's more like this:
SC2 fan: "Give sc2 a try. It's got a lot of potential plus there are many great things in the game such as (insert anything you like about the game, such as marine micro, baneling carpet bombs, landmines, big ZvT engagements, anything you like)"
BW fan: "Oh ok, I don't think I'll die from watching a game of SC2 or 2."
After watching some SC2:
BW fan: "Where is my shuttle-reaver control? Hold position lurkers? Mutalisk control? Defilers? And please don't say a word about those flying things that have the same name as my mutalisks, infestors and banelings. Also did this colossus thing actually replace reavers? Lol nope. BW is the best. SC2 sucks."
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I really can't wait to see what kind of talent comes to SC2 if BW players make the change. It can only mean good things for the growth of this game
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Why are you guys even arguing, the times are changing no matter how hard you bitch in a forum.
This should be closed already.
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On October 30 2011 17:16 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 17:12 Dante08 wrote:
Give SC2 a chance, it can be pretty exciting. Everytime I see a bunch of Colossus killing stuff or marauders kiting zealots I scream like a little girl. Massing roaches is quite fun to watch as well. Did you just name the three most boring units in SC2 as a selling point, or was this sarcasm that flew right over my head?
wtf are you talking about? Roaches are awesome. 
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