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what we can all say is that BW players have an advantage over the others when they pick the game because of its deep similarities as an RTS, as mentionned they all get past master really quick. although, these players had to pick up BW and yet became good with alot of practice. this is why players with no rts background are still making great (huk/stephano) as for the ones from WC3, they have to unlearn stuff because wc3 wasnt the same at-all. BW definately is closer to sc2 than wc3, tho any players who is consitent in training and has talent and motivation can reach the top players. as for those who claim BW players will do better than the others because BW was harder and was said to require more skills (i disagree) be cause sc2 is more noobfriendly(group controls, keybinds, auto gather etc.) theyll soon find out that it is as hard to be on top the game because the game speed is faster. sc2 is even more competitive since the gap between very good and perfect play is shorter - alot of players can play very good but still few can play perfectly. i dont think we've yet to see perfect play from anybody who is outhere yet.
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On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him.
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On October 30 2011 09:36 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 09:28 HappyChris wrote:
Starcraft 2 is another game then Broodwar. I allways say prove youself first. So until the BW players start winning something I wont really pay them much attention. FYI, every GSL (unless you count Super Tournament, then every GSL except one) has been won by former BW progamers. BW players already dominate the korean tournaments.
They are current sc2 progamers though, and have been for the past year..
They might've been all former Super Mario players 10 years ago, but it doesn't really play in.
Most Sc2 players have a background in BW anyway, so it's not like it's a huge shock or a proof of anything.
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On October 30 2011 10:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:51 setzer wrote:
PrinceXizor, Flash started out going 15-3 as a professional and making the semi-finals of Daum beaing BISU. That you think it will take him years to compete against less talented people (no question Flash is the most talented RTS player right now) is pretty absurd and based on no factual evidence. i think that no matter the overall skill of a player, they will not be able to compete without experience. yeah flash started out really well, as a professional, but how long did he have to play BW before he became a professional, I doubt he just started playing when he got his license. I believe that, by the time flash switches, the top SC2 players will be younger players like MMA and Leenock, and not nestea/mvp. and that flash has been havign wrist issues for a while. so when flash switches/ if he ever does, players will have been practicing SC2 for 5+ years. i do not believe that flash can close that gap in under a year. no matter who he is. and by then flash will be older, 24-25, which in combination with his lack of experience will prevent him from dominating the scene in sc2. why is this so hard to understand for some people? yeah if flash switched today he would dominate, but he has no reason to and he won't he won't switch until it's the best career move for him to switch. btw i've watched BW for 5 years so i'm not just some new sc2 kid. ^^
MVP: Birth Date: 1991-02-12 Age: 20 (Korean: 21)
MMA: Birth Date: 1988-10-29 Age: 23 (Korean: 24)
Flash: Birth Date: 1992-07-05 Age: 19 (Korean: 20)
derrrp
Flash has more RTS experience and that counts for something. He isn't switching to a team based FPS game that requires radically different skills he is switching to SC2. Maybe in 3-4 years in won't dominant but he won't need "years" to be competitive because he is Flash, the Ultimate Weapon, God Young Ho, bonjwa.
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On October 30 2011 10:47 DontGiveUp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:35 Musou wrote:On October 30 2011 09:01 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 08:56 jyLee wrote:
I'm going to just reiterate what Nada already said in an interview. Whenever a bw player on the level of Jaedong, Flash, Bisu switches to SC2 they will completely dominate the entire scene. I would lean toward Nada being a more knowledgable source than what people say on TL.
BW and SC2 are different games but things that made you godly in BW will also make you a godly player in SC2. Things like macro, micro, multitasking, hand speed, game sense, reaction speed, dedication to training, etc just dont vanish because you switch games. Those 3 players would succeed in any RTS game because of there inherent attributes that make them so good. the probable i see with flash bisu and jaedong in SC2 is that they are older, and would have to play catchup for 3-4 years of SC2 experience that everyone will have (minimum) by the time the switch for them happens, they will be older and unable to perform at the level required of them to completely dominate, especially with new young talent funneling into SC2. so will a flash 3-4 years from now be as dominant in SC2 as he was in BW a year ago? I don't think he would be. meanwhile players like baby, who have the talent to be a great in BW, have plenty of time to catch up in SC2 age wise, as well as much more of a reason to switch now-ish. I hope this is a joke.. or you just didn't do your research before posting. You realize despite all of Flash's accomplishments that he is only 19, right? He's younger than most of the current SC2 pros. Nestea is 30 and still dominates. What makes you think even in 3-4 years that Flash would be unable to perform at that level? Yeah, lol. They are all very young. jaedong 21 flash 19 bisu 22 jangbi 22 fantasy 20 zer0 21 hydra 20 best 22
Oh...
God i feel old now.
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On October 30 2011 11:09 setzer wrote:
MVP: Birth Date: 1991-02-12 Age: 20 (Korean: 21)
MMA: Birth Date: 1988-10-29 Age: 23 (Korean: 24)
Flash: Birth Date: 1992-07-05 Age: 19 (Korean: 20)
derrrp
Flash has more RTS experience and that counts for something. He isn't switching to a team based FPS game that requires radically different skills he is switching to SC2. Maybe in 3-4 years in won't dominant but he won't need "years" to be competitive because he is Flash, the Ultimate Weapon, God Young Ho, bonjwa.
he will need a year or two to be able to play at the same level as people playing for 5 years. i don't care if he has 4 arms, you can't get a feel for specifics nor play enough games in less than a year to get a familiarity and practice that you get in 5 years of professional gaming.
and especially with flashes physical limitations caused by his wrist issues that he will have to live with for the rest of his life, years down the line when flash switches his wrist will be worse than it will be in a month from now. thats a fact an inescapable truth. whether or not it will drastically affect his play is unknown, however no one can deny it will affect his play period.
i don't care HOW much you love flash, i know how good he is, it doesn't mean a thing when you don't have any practice compared to the competition. I think i'm being generous saying in 1 year he can catch up to people playin for 5-6 years.
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On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him.
Flash has been practicing SC2 in his recovery time already. Flash also shined in his first year playing pro BW. First year. In 2007. Beating those who had years of experience on him. I think you underestimate Flash's innate talent. As much as I resent him for stopping Jaedong's run of invincibility, I admit the fact that he is the number one RTS player in the world, hands down.
Edit: Did I mention that he was still nigh unstoppable with a wrist injury that required surgery to fix?
Edit 2: I just realized they took away my Oz tag, and I am very angry.
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On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him.
Your logic is that it would take him longer than a year to catch up to people with more than 5 years of sc2 practice and experience. What I'm saying is that he won his first championship at 15 and beating a lot of people who have more than 5 years of practice and experience around that timeline.
sc2 is easier to learn than bw, it wouldn't take him long to learn it like he did with bw.
sc2 will be less intense on his wrist as well.
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On October 30 2011 11:07 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 09:36 ghrur wrote:On October 30 2011 09:28 HappyChris wrote:
Starcraft 2 is another game then Broodwar. I allways say prove youself first. So until the BW players start winning something I wont really pay them much attention. FYI, every GSL (unless you count Super Tournament, then every GSL except one) has been won by former BW progamers. BW players already dominate the korean tournaments. They are current sc2 progamers though, and have been for the past year.. They might've been all former Super Mario players 10 years ago, but it doesn't really play in. Most Sc2 players have a background in BW anyway, so it's not like it's a huge shock or a proof of anything. There's a huge difference between having some BW background and being an official Kespa BW progamer with license (normally won through a courage tournament, which is considered one of the hardest tournaments to win). The truth is that BW progamers already have proven their superiority in SC2 - and those are the low tier BW progamers, which should fall to even medium skilled BW progamers, let alone the gods. The differences in class are hard to comprehend perhaps because we haven't had such immense differences in SC2.
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Flash won't be the one that will have catching up to do guys. -_-
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On October 30 2011 11:16 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him. Flash has been practicing SC2 in his recovery time already. Flash also shined in his first year playing pro BW. First year. In 2007. Beating those who had years of experience on him. I think you underestimate Flash's innate talent. As much as I resent him for stopping Jaedong's run of invincibility, I admit the fact that he is the number one RTS player in the world, hands down. Edit: Did I mention that he was still nigh unstoppable with a wrist injury that required surgery to fix? Edit 2: I just realized they took away my Oz tag, and I am very angry.
what i don't understand is how everyone arguing that flash was so good his first pro year (which is a fact) ignores that he had to practice before becoming a pro. he didn't pick up the game and get his license like some people are acting. and flash practicing sc2 in recovery is a rumor right now, we don't know if he has been for sure.
but yeah if he switched now or next year i think he could be the top SC2 player for sure, but he's not going to switch until his BW career is winding down. so people will have much mroe experience and his injuries will be much worse, and he will be much older, and generally a worse player than he was at his peak. 3-4 years was the "he'll switch early" mentality. likely we are looking at 5-6 years down the line for a flash-> sc2 scenerio. BW is not going away anytime soon.
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On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:46 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 09:50 Garnet wrote:On October 30 2011 09:01 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 08:56 jyLee wrote:
I'm going to just reiterate what Nada already said in an interview. Whenever a bw player on the level of Jaedong, Flash, Bisu switches to SC2 they will completely dominate the entire scene. I would lean toward Nada being a more knowledgable source than what people say on TL.
BW and SC2 are different games but things that made you godly in BW will also make you a godly player in SC2. Things like macro, micro, multitasking, hand speed, game sense, reaction speed, dedication to training, etc just dont vanish because you switch games. Those 3 players would succeed in any RTS game because of there inherent attributes that make them so good. the probable i see with flash bisu and jaedong in SC2 is that they are older, and would have to play catchup for 3-4 years of SC2 experience that everyone will have (minimum) by the time the switch for them happens, they will be older and unable to perform at the level required of them to completely dominate, especially with new young talent funneling into SC2. so will a flash 3-4 years from now be as dominant in SC2 as he was in BW a year ago? I don't think he would be. meanwhile players like baby, who have the talent to be a great in BW, have plenty of time to catch up in SC2 age wise, as well as much more of a reason to switch now-ish. What do you mean by "older"? Flash (born 1992) is younger than almost every SC2 pro's. flash is 20 in 3 years when/if he switches over he will be 23, a few years later (when he actually get enough practice to play against people practicing for 5 years) he will be 25. with flash's wrist issues, will he continue to be just as dominant at 25 as he has been at 16-19, in a new game he's had alot less practice in against people with more practice? he's younger now than the old sc2 players who won't be around in a few years yeah, but he has about 0 chance of switching now, and years after, after he hits a big slump in BW is when he would likely switch, which is about when leenock would likely have become the best zerg player, and MMA the best Terran, is when flash woul begin his pro career. and i don't think he would be able to dominate, he would be a good player probably, but not dominate. ALSO ForGG has been playing for over a year now. he was playing back at release. he was NOT only playing for a few months. also people really shouldn't be coming into this thread (in the SC2 section) insulting SC2 syaing it takes no skill and is easy ect when they don't want people from SC2 going into BW and say it's dying. So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
You can't argue with these types of people, man. Save yourself the energy, nothing you say will change their opinion, even if Flash himself came over and ran stephano into the ground it wouldn't matter. They'd just say well stephano wasn't playing well or something.
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no matter how talented you are flash or jaedong wont be better than players who play since beta like MVP they will need some time too
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On October 30 2011 11:29 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:On October 30 2011 10:46 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 09:50 Garnet wrote:On October 30 2011 09:01 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 08:56 jyLee wrote:
I'm going to just reiterate what Nada already said in an interview. Whenever a bw player on the level of Jaedong, Flash, Bisu switches to SC2 they will completely dominate the entire scene. I would lean toward Nada being a more knowledgable source than what people say on TL.
BW and SC2 are different games but things that made you godly in BW will also make you a godly player in SC2. Things like macro, micro, multitasking, hand speed, game sense, reaction speed, dedication to training, etc just dont vanish because you switch games. Those 3 players would succeed in any RTS game because of there inherent attributes that make them so good. the probable i see with flash bisu and jaedong in SC2 is that they are older, and would have to play catchup for 3-4 years of SC2 experience that everyone will have (minimum) by the time the switch for them happens, they will be older and unable to perform at the level required of them to completely dominate, especially with new young talent funneling into SC2. so will a flash 3-4 years from now be as dominant in SC2 as he was in BW a year ago? I don't think he would be. meanwhile players like baby, who have the talent to be a great in BW, have plenty of time to catch up in SC2 age wise, as well as much more of a reason to switch now-ish. What do you mean by "older"? Flash (born 1992) is younger than almost every SC2 pro's. flash is 20 in 3 years when/if he switches over he will be 23, a few years later (when he actually get enough practice to play against people practicing for 5 years) he will be 25. with flash's wrist issues, will he continue to be just as dominant at 25 as he has been at 16-19, in a new game he's had alot less practice in against people with more practice? he's younger now than the old sc2 players who won't be around in a few years yeah, but he has about 0 chance of switching now, and years after, after he hits a big slump in BW is when he would likely switch, which is about when leenock would likely have become the best zerg player, and MMA the best Terran, is when flash woul begin his pro career. and i don't think he would be able to dominate, he would be a good player probably, but not dominate. ALSO ForGG has been playing for over a year now. he was playing back at release. he was NOT only playing for a few months. also people really shouldn't be coming into this thread (in the SC2 section) insulting SC2 syaing it takes no skill and is easy ect when they don't want people from SC2 going into BW and say it's dying. So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then? You can't argue with these types of people, man. Save yourself the energy, nothing you say will change their opinion, even if Flash himself came over and ran stephano into the ground it wouldn't matter. They'd just say well stephano wasn't playing well or something.
I dunno what you are talking about. i'm just confused why you guys are arguing using absurdities as your backing:
Flash won his first major at 15 with no practice in BW
Flash will no longer have any wrist issues
Flash will not deteriorate in skill between now and when/if he switches to sc2
I don't think stephano is that good even heh. he just plays a very safe control based style, which takes games off of anyone who doesn't prepare for it.
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On October 30 2011 11:29 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
no matter how talented you are flash or jaedong wont be better than players who play since beta like MVP they will need some time too
Give Flash Jaedong and Bisu 3-4 months of full time practice and they will catch up and be dominant.
Their natural abilities at RTS games mixed with intense training and BW background will let them pick up with ease. Its not a question of TBLS and if they will dominate, they will. What will be interesting is if the Top A class players can switch and dominate quickly.
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Seriously, what's the point of the existing BW players playing SC2? Isn't it better if the teams started SC2 branches instead, and then the ppl who wanted to could switch without having to change teams. To me this sounds like KESPA and/or the teams have stopped believing in BW, which is strange since half of the fans want nothing to do with SC2. So if they stopped BW altogether, they would lose 50% of their fanbase. Sure, they would get some more fans, but right now BW have the larger fanbase, so in the end they would lose more than they gained, especially since they could invest in both games.
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On October 30 2011 11:23 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:16 Weedk wrote:On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him. Flash has been practicing SC2 in his recovery time already. Flash also shined in his first year playing pro BW. First year. In 2007. Beating those who had years of experience on him. I think you underestimate Flash's innate talent. As much as I resent him for stopping Jaedong's run of invincibility, I admit the fact that he is the number one RTS player in the world, hands down. Edit: Did I mention that he was still nigh unstoppable with a wrist injury that required surgery to fix? Edit 2: I just realized they took away my Oz tag, and I am very angry. what i don't understand is how everyone arguing that flash was so good his first pro year (which is a fact) ignores that he had to practice before becoming a pro. he didn't pick up the game and get his license like some people are acting. and flash practicing sc2 in recovery is a rumor right now, we don't know if he has been for sure. but yeah if he switched now or next year i think he could be the top SC2 player for sure, but he's not going to switch until his BW career is winding down. so people will have much mroe experience and his injuries will be much worse, and he will be much older, and generally a worse player than he was at his peak. 3-4 years was the "he'll switch early" mentality. likely we are looking at 5-6 years down the line for a flash-> sc2 scenerio. BW is not going away anytime soon.
This is actually pretty much what happened XD
Your way to a progamer?
- Through Courage Match. I realized that potential to become a star and image were as important as good gaming skills.
When I tried to be a gamer, my parents opposed a lot, but I had known that the older generation would oppose. I promised them that I will stop gaming if I don't win a title in one year. I put my everything. I did nothing but playing StarCraft. Eventually I won a title in one year and my parents became fans. Their support means a lot.
Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007 and traded off to KTF MagicNs shortly after being drafted, Flash came on to the scene as one of the youngest progamers to be televised. Advancing to the Daum OSL from his first attempt in the offline preliminaries, his career started off in a strong fashion, quickly amassing a winning record in Proleague play and succeeding in getting into both the MSL and OSL.
He also won his first title at age 15, after discovering SC in either 8th or 9th grade (I forget which and can't find a source). So yeah, people really need to just realize that Flash is just a fucking freaking, a total outlier in SC, and probably the most competitive and hardworking high school kid in all of Korea lol
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On October 30 2011 11:37 chomsky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:16 Weedk wrote:On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him. Flash has been practicing SC2 in his recovery time already. Flash also shined in his first year playing pro BW. First year. In 2007. Beating those who had years of experience on him. I think you underestimate Flash's innate talent. As much as I resent him for stopping Jaedong's run of invincibility, I admit the fact that he is the number one RTS player in the world, hands down. Edit: Did I mention that he was still nigh unstoppable with a wrist injury that required surgery to fix? Edit 2: I just realized they took away my Oz tag, and I am very angry. what i don't understand is how everyone arguing that flash was so good his first pro year (which is a fact) ignores that he had to practice before becoming a pro. he didn't pick up the game and get his license like some people are acting. and flash practicing sc2 in recovery is a rumor right now, we don't know if he has been for sure. but yeah if he switched now or next year i think he could be the top SC2 player for sure, but he's not going to switch until his BW career is winding down. so people will have much mroe experience and his injuries will be much worse, and he will be much older, and generally a worse player than he was at his peak. 3-4 years was the "he'll switch early" mentality. likely we are looking at 5-6 years down the line for a flash-> sc2 scenerio. BW is not going away anytime soon. This is actually pretty much what happened XD Show nested quote +Your way to a progamer?
- Through Courage Match. I realized that potential to become a star and image were as important as good gaming skills.
When I tried to be a gamer, my parents opposed a lot, but I had known that the older generation would oppose. I promised them that I will stop gaming if I don't win a title in one year. I put my everything. I did nothing but playing StarCraft. Eventually I won a title in one year and my parents became fans. Their support means a lot. Show nested quote +Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007 and traded off to KTF MagicNs shortly after being drafted, Flash came on to the scene as one of the youngest progamers to be televised. Advancing to the Daum OSL from his first attempt in the offline preliminaries, his career started off in a strong fashion, quickly amassing a winning record in Proleague play and succeeding in getting into both the MSL and OSL.
he still really didn't hit his stride until after 08 (despite his incredible winning streak)
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On October 30 2011 11:37 chomsky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:16 Weedk wrote:On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him. Flash has been practicing SC2 in his recovery time already. Flash also shined in his first year playing pro BW. First year. In 2007. Beating those who had years of experience on him. I think you underestimate Flash's innate talent. As much as I resent him for stopping Jaedong's run of invincibility, I admit the fact that he is the number one RTS player in the world, hands down. Edit: Did I mention that he was still nigh unstoppable with a wrist injury that required surgery to fix? Edit 2: I just realized they took away my Oz tag, and I am very angry. what i don't understand is how everyone arguing that flash was so good his first pro year (which is a fact) ignores that he had to practice before becoming a pro. he didn't pick up the game and get his license like some people are acting. and flash practicing sc2 in recovery is a rumor right now, we don't know if he has been for sure. but yeah if he switched now or next year i think he could be the top SC2 player for sure, but he's not going to switch until his BW career is winding down. so people will have much mroe experience and his injuries will be much worse, and he will be much older, and generally a worse player than he was at his peak. 3-4 years was the "he'll switch early" mentality. likely we are looking at 5-6 years down the line for a flash-> sc2 scenerio. BW is not going away anytime soon. This is actually pretty much what happened XD Show nested quote +Your way to a progamer?
- Through Courage Match. I realized that potential to become a star and image were as important as good gaming skills.
When I tried to be a gamer, my parents opposed a lot, but I had known that the older generation would oppose. I promised them that I will stop gaming if I don't win a title in one year. I put my everything. I did nothing but playing StarCraft. Eventually I won a title in one year and my parents became fans. Their support means a lot. Show nested quote +Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007 and traded off to KTF MagicNs shortly after being drafted, Flash came on to the scene as one of the youngest progamers to be televised. Advancing to the Daum OSL from his first attempt in the offline preliminaries, his career started off in a strong fashion, quickly amassing a winning record in Proleague play and succeeding in getting into both the MSL and OSL.
eh he played a year before the qualifiers. thats what i assumed. and i gave him the same time before he became a competitive player in sc2 as well.
On October 30 2011 11:37 ninini wrote:
Seriously, what's the point of the existing BW players playing SC2? Isn't it better if the teams started SC2 branches instead, and then the ppl who wanted to could switch without having to change teams. To me this sounds like KESPA and/or the teams have stopped believing in BW, which is strange since half of the fans want nothing to do with SC2. So if they stopped BW altogether, they would lose 50% of their fanbase. Sure, they would get some more fans, but right now BW have the larger fanbase, so in the end they would lose more than they gained, especially since they could show both games at the same time.
I think they are just ALL playing it so they can figure out who is the best at it, just incase they have to form an SC2 team, so their team is the most competitive possible. i really don't think many will switch at all. likely just B team/ people who decide they like SC2 more/ Young A team.
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On October 30 2011 11:39 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 11:37 chomsky wrote:On October 30 2011 11:23 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:16 Weedk wrote:On October 30 2011 11:03 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 30 2011 11:01 Tenhou wrote:
So why is it exactly that Flash is dominating in the BW scene when he's so young and all the other older pros get more practice and experience than? He won his first championship as a 15 year old teenager. Why didn't your logic applied then?
I was giving flash 1 year to catch up to 5 years of others experience... my logic works perfectly fine that a flash who has been playing BW for a couple years before going pro would be able to do well vs people with a year or two more experience than him. Flash has been practicing SC2 in his recovery time already. Flash also shined in his first year playing pro BW. First year. In 2007. Beating those who had years of experience on him. I think you underestimate Flash's innate talent. As much as I resent him for stopping Jaedong's run of invincibility, I admit the fact that he is the number one RTS player in the world, hands down. Edit: Did I mention that he was still nigh unstoppable with a wrist injury that required surgery to fix? Edit 2: I just realized they took away my Oz tag, and I am very angry. what i don't understand is how everyone arguing that flash was so good his first pro year (which is a fact) ignores that he had to practice before becoming a pro. he didn't pick up the game and get his license like some people are acting. and flash practicing sc2 in recovery is a rumor right now, we don't know if he has been for sure. but yeah if he switched now or next year i think he could be the top SC2 player for sure, but he's not going to switch until his BW career is winding down. so people will have much mroe experience and his injuries will be much worse, and he will be much older, and generally a worse player than he was at his peak. 3-4 years was the "he'll switch early" mentality. likely we are looking at 5-6 years down the line for a flash-> sc2 scenerio. BW is not going away anytime soon. This is actually pretty much what happened XD Your way to a progamer?
- Through Courage Match. I realized that potential to become a star and image were as important as good gaming skills.
When I tried to be a gamer, my parents opposed a lot, but I had known that the older generation would oppose. I promised them that I will stop gaming if I don't win a title in one year. I put my everything. I did nothing but playing StarCraft. Eventually I won a title in one year and my parents became fans. Their support means a lot. Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007 and traded off to KTF MagicNs shortly after being drafted, Flash came on to the scene as one of the youngest progamers to be televised. Advancing to the Daum OSL from his first attempt in the offline preliminaries, his career started off in a strong fashion, quickly amassing a winning record in Proleague play and succeeding in getting into both the MSL and OSL. he still really didn't hit his stride until after 08 (despite his incredible winning streak)
That's still only a year later when he was 16, and even then he was entering a pro scene that was about a decade old at that point
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