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Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#101
Pretty good Protoss buff. All-around Protoss buff is nice.
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ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#102
On October 26 2011 06:38 Mr_Kyo wrote:
Its already hard enough to hit more than 1 infestor with an EMP.

I doubt its to nerf emp vs spellcasters. Its to make emp vs protoss shields do less damage than it does now(They said at blizzcon they werent happy with how much damage emp does to protoss shields). Cheaper upgrades is always nice tho
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#103
On October 26 2011 06:34 Kava wrote:
Area covered by:

1.4.0 EMP: ~12.6
1.4.2 EMP: ~9.4

25% less area covered by each individual EMP. Not game-breaking but it will be more difficult for a terran to EMP your entire army as long as you're not letting all of your shit cluster up.


Your math is off. 1.4.2 EMP's total area is around 7. Pretty big change!
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#104
I'm very happy with P upgrades but I'm not 100% sure it was needed for atk/armor lol but I'll take em!
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cosineInfinity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States178 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#105
EMP has long needed a nerf. The upgrade cost-reductions, however, are a bit boggling. While I'm glad that protoss isn't flat out being nerfed a great deal due to the recent metagame (protoss just sucking against everything), I can't say that this will make protoss more viable...

Shield upgrades are pretty much useless to begin with, and the level 2 weapons/armor upgrades don't really change protoss fighting against the 1-1-1 early game.

Hopefully the EMP nerf alone will calm the herds of protoss QQers
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#106
I hope that emp nerf is enough. :/
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 25 2011 21:40 GMT
#107
Is this... happiness?
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
October 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#108
I don't understand the upgrade changes. The problem was never the upgrades and I feel like this gives an unfair advantage for Protoss.

EMP change is definitely a good one though. No more one sided 200/200 fights.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#109
Buffing protoss seems quite straightforward.

On October 26 2011 06:34 Kava wrote:
Area covered by:

1.4.0 EMP: ~12.6
1.4.2 EMP: ~9.4

25% less area covered by each individual EMP. Not game-breaking but it will be more difficult for a terran to EMP your entire army as long as you're not letting all of your shit cluster up.


I think they need to implement some sort of anti clumping AI for protoss.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#110
Heh, they actually followed through with the balance changes that they were hinting at during Blizzcon.

Ghost nerf should alleviate some Protoss difficulties, though I guess some people might have wanted a range nerf instead of an EMP radius nerf.

Protoss Forge upgrade buffs are amazing. I was hoping for better upgrade scaling for Gateway units, but a cost buff is great nonetheless.
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mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
October 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#111
I can`t believe some people think this is too small for protoss..LOL. I think the changes are fair and maybe too much.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
October 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#112
gateway units suck, they want a way for them to be more viable without increasing base stats, making upgrades cheaper is a good idea.

now, all we need is for the stalker attack to scale better (additional +1 for armor like they did in beta)
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Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
October 25 2011 21:42 GMT
#113
gateway and robo share same upgrades, and they are cheaper than the other races? lame.
Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
October 25 2011 21:42 GMT
#114
Im a happy High Templar now
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robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
October 25 2011 21:42 GMT
#115
wow when i read the shield upgrade decrease i was like "yeeeeah" and then i read on and saw the other upgrades being cheaper aswell :D

and EMP NERF!!!!!
way too late though xD
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
October 25 2011 21:42 GMT
#116
Don't understand the need to reduce the cost of non-shield upgrades...
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SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
October 25 2011 21:42 GMT
#117
I don't care about the radius I want the energy cost brought up to 125 so you can only emp once...
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unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 21:44:28
October 25 2011 21:43 GMT
#118
On October 26 2011 06:29 VPCursed wrote:
why does toss need cheaper upgrades, dont they get 3-3 fast enough?

as a protoss player i agree with you lol, the only thing that NEEDED to be lowered in cost was the shield upgrade as it is just so expensive for what you get

glad for the emp nerf but it wont change as much (diameter goes from 4 to 3 now right?) if thats the case then just another 2-3 ghosts and the same emp spread will dominate

On October 26 2011 06:42 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I don't care about the radius I want the energy cost brought up to 125 so you can only emp once...

or bring back amulet (idc if its a nerfed amulet, it would still help with the emp problem bigtime)
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 25 2011 21:43 GMT
#119
On October 26 2011 06:39 Benjef wrote:
Thats an insane protoss buff O.O. Early upgrades are already strong enough for protoss oO


That explains why every protoss is owning up right now in GSL and so forth!

Oh....
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scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
October 25 2011 21:43 GMT
#120
I'm a little curious why they feel the need to make protoss upgrades cheaper. Protoss can already out upgrade every race due to chonoboost, and these changes will just make that even easier
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