• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:55
CET 01:55
KST 09:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5871 users

1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
2455 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 123 Next
zakmaa
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada525 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#121
Well I like the EMP change as I feel EMP was a bit strong, I also like the Protoss Shield change since it was really expensive for what you get out of it and it was rarely used - however I can't begin to understand why the cost of the upgrades for attack and armor were lowered :/ Don't really like those two changes.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#122
ghost change will make ghosts more for countering templar than for doing damage to the protoss army. It will still be good but just not as good. This will impact tvz as well in dealing with infestors, which I'm not sure about.

I think the upgrades change is a little much. Sure, decrease shields upgrade cost, but not armor and weapon upgrades. protoss can already get upgrades faster than the other races, and in TvP if you are down upgrades for very long you've basically lost the game. I doubt the armor and weapons upgrades change will go through.
kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 21:45:12
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#123
Considering Justin Browder comments on his recent interview, this seems like a patch pretty much designed to solve some of the problems in the PvT matchup in higher levels (namely Korea).

EMP is an incredibly powerfull spell against Protoss due to the fact that actuaally deals damage rather than just nullifying casters. Nerfing the radius by 0.5 will require more EMPs and more precise, which only becomes a game changing factor in high level games.

As for the upgrades cost reductions, I'm guessing this is to encourage double forge play so that you can keep up with the Terran macro wise. Gas is hardly a problem for T in the matchup, so upgrades come naturally extremely early (usually 3-3 finishes arround the 18-19m mark). This buffs helps P catching up to that.
Wisemen speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they have to say something.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#124
LOVE all the Terran QQ.
Don't worry you can still carpet EMP everything and if all else fails, 1-1-1.

User was warned for this post
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#125
I like the changes. Shouldn't really affect the timing of toss upgrades (cause they rush for 3/3 anyways most of the time), but gives them more resources to do things while they do it.

Area of old EMP = Pi*(2^2) = 12.56
Area of new EMP = Pi*(1.5^2) = 7.065

New emp covers 56.25% of the area of current emp
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#126
the upgrade 'buff' is pretty useless imo, 25min+gas is peas

i want to say shield buff is interesting but i mean, emp will still do same damage regardless so ... whats the point?
starleague forever
VoO
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany278 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#127
Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed...
♥ 김택용 ♥Casual Dwarf Fortress Progamer
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#128
On October 26 2011 06:41 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Buffing protoss seems quite straightforward.

Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:34 Kava wrote:
Area covered by:

1.4.0 EMP: ~12.6
1.4.2 EMP: ~9.4

25% less area covered by each individual EMP. Not game-breaking but it will be more difficult for a terran to EMP your entire army as long as you're not letting all of your shit cluster up.


I think they need to implement some sort of anti clumping AI for protoss.


You mean like, spliting manualy your unit ?

Damn that must be hard, i'm happy terran don't have to do it since the begining of the game.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#129
Well as a Zerg I really dont care -.- This isn't too different for Zerg
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Mr_Kyo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States269 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#130
Surely there's a number between 1.5 and 2. Seems like a pretty drastic change. That's like changing marine damage from 6 to 8.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#131
What?

Wtf?

Upgrade change is kind of a joke, that was already the one place protoss really had an advantage with chrono boost =\ that really shouldn't go through... not with EMP nerf as well. If they both go through it's gonna be so difficult to just play against gateway/templar style with quick double forge
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#132
Sick changes.

Double Forge all the way.

Really interested to see how this much needed EMP radius nerf actually affects games.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
October 25 2011 21:44 GMT
#133
What the fuck? Have they not seen a pvz before??? no other race gets 3+ weapons at 14 minutes into the game. this is downright stupid
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
emesen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States256 Posts
October 25 2011 21:45 GMT
#134
is there a reason for cheaper upgrades for the one race that can speed up research times?
may the best of your todays, be the worst of your tomorrows
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
October 25 2011 21:45 GMT
#135
ghost still broken vs zerg.

sigh.

oh well toss needs some love, I just hope even faster upgrades won't just make me die to 2 base allins again.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
opm1s6
Profile Joined September 2010
United States42 Posts
October 25 2011 21:45 GMT
#136
Can we bring back the infestor to 46 damage now that toss can get their upgrades that much faster?
Chloroplaste
Profile Joined February 2011
France281 Posts
October 25 2011 21:45 GMT
#137
Non-shield upgrades are the cheapest of all race because they cover robotic and gateway units...
Why this change !

synkronized
Profile Joined June 2011
United States125 Posts
October 25 2011 21:45 GMT
#138
As a Toss player I'm very happy.

Shield Upgrades seriously needed to be cheaper. You barely got them in most games and definitely never touched the damn things in PvT match ups. Great change there.

But I actually question the point of the Weapon/Armor cost reduction. They remained on par with the other race's relative upgrade costs and in terms of the total number of armor/weapon/shield upgrades across the races, Toss had 5 like the Zerg, 1 less than T. Instead of Zerg Weapons split into melee/ranged we had our health split into armor/shields.

I wouldn't mind Armor/Weapons back to the old cost.
zYwi3c
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland1811 Posts
October 25 2011 21:45 GMT
#139
what ? lol
I'm getting the derection.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 21:47:24
October 25 2011 21:46 GMT
#140
On October 26 2011 06:45 emesen wrote:
is there a reason for cheaper upgrades for the one race that can speed up research times?


because their units suck for their cost, and upgrades are the only way for them to be viable vs roaches and MMM without the need for godly ffing
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 123 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:00
Best Games of SC
Maru vs Solar
Rogue vs MaxPax
herO vs Clem
SHIN vs ByuN
herO vs SHIN
TBD vs ByuN
PiGStarcraft524
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft524
ViBE212
mouzStarbuck 98
Ketroc 52
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 530
NaDa 40
LancerX 29
Rock 12
Moletrap 8
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0412
AZ_Axe170
Other Games
summit1g9196
tarik_tv4827
shahzam449
crisheroes200
ProTech116
ToD17
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV50
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH126
• Hupsaiya 108
• davetesta29
• RyuSc2 27
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 13
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie752
• Scarra614
• Shiphtur116
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 5m
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
Platinum Heroes Events
14h 5m
BSL
19h 5m
RSL Revival
1d 9h
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
1d 11h
BSL
1d 18h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.