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1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 17

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TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#321
YEAH!! I love me some cheap upgrades! Thanks Blizzard!! :D
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#322
TvP is already nearly impossible late game, Terran was trying to crush toss early and toss was going for late game, these changes just make that gap even bigger.

I don't get it.
Live hard, live free.
NineteenSC2
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada117 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#323
They reduced upgrade costs because in PvT if you're behind a terran in upgrades you can kiss that game goodbye. Being ahead in upgrades is essential as a toss against terran (and zerg too).
S2 & S3 Grandmaster Protoss. Justin.tv/nineteensc2 for my new stream
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:11:54
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#324
Haha I chose the good time to stop this game.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#325
Wait so zealot archon was mitigated by nerfing EMP range and buffing upgrade times.

Okay...
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#326
Finally storms and EMP have the same radius!

Now to lower EMP and snipe range to make it equal to storm and feedback....
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#327
Sweet! They talked about them at Blizzcon...and now they deliver...in the PTR. At first it seemed odd that the solution to weak gateway units is to reduce upgrade costs. But those reduced costs will free up just a little bit of precious gas. The shield cost reduction might encourage some experimentation.

Thanks Blizz...let's hope these make it.
Mercurial#1193
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#328
On October 26 2011 06:36 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:34 SpiZe wrote:
Cheaper upgrades comes from the fact that Toss doesn't benefit as the other race from ups, while roaches and marauders gets +2 by attack up, stalker only gets +1


what about zealot armour upgrades lol


Zealots get 2 additional damage from attack upgrades, though.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#329
On October 26 2011 07:00 avilo wrote:
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On October 26 2011 06:54 Aesop wrote:
Reducing the upgrade cost isn't really an huge buff that will suddenly make all Protoss players upgrade more. Sure, Protoss get a discount of 375/375 in total and shields get more attractive, but it has no effect on your upgrading speed - the time is still the same and if you were basing your strategy on upgrades, you were getting those anyway and a small discount won't change that.

It just allows you to add a few extra units along the way (think 3 zealots and an archon), which is a subtle, suitable buff.


I hope you're kidding. I dunno if you know the current meta game, but lots of protosses get 3/0/3 in like 15 minutes with double chrono forge build. This buff is going to make tvp ridiculous...@_@

I hope you're kidding, it's not gonna change much at all, it's gonna add 2-3 more units to their 3-0-3 army at the same timing...
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#330
well upgrade cost reduce is a nice idea to buff the toss without buffing the late late game where they are close to be overpowered (talking about 3/3/3 with 5k banked minerals late game here ).
Emp nerf is okay as it will reduce the effect of the emp barrage on casters and 100+ shield units, while the rest won't be affected. I am just worried about storm that cannot be stopped if the toss sends hts to the front. (well before it was the ghosts emps, but hey they are the expensive ones). But well ghosts survive a storm barrage so guess you can suicide some ghosts. to get rid of the storms.

Just waiting for the 25-50 mineral reduce on cost for ghosts the next patch.
unsaintly
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany687 Posts
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#331
On October 26 2011 07:07 Filter wrote:
TvP is already nearly impossible late game, Terran was trying to crush toss early and toss was going for late game, these changes just make that gap even bigger.

I don't get it.

TvP is P favored in late? What? Come on guys overreact much?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#332
On October 26 2011 07:03 Trusty wrote:
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On October 26 2011 07:00 corvaleur wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:54 gosuMalicE wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:44 corvaleur wrote:
Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed...

What game are you playing? Because it isn't Starcraft 2...



European Diamond Terran AND Platinum Protoss. Today I played 14 games against Protoss, none made an expansion, always cheese or bust and that's how it works since 1.4 Don't know what league you are playing in, but that's standard in EU Diamond.

As a Protoss player, I have to say that all the changes are incredible stupid and Protoss are viable becoming a low APM a-click race. Of course you could play creative, but cheese and turtling is so efffective.


Wrong in so many ways.... Diamond/Platinum represent!


corvaleur's post makes no sense at all anyway. Yeah sure, cheaper upgrades for double forge play and EMP nerf are going to buff the one base all ins he loses to on the ladder.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#333
Reason for changes:

EMP sorta needed this.

Upgrade cost decreased = Blizzard is pissed and disappointed that toss aren't using chrono boost and upgrades to their advantage, thus this buff is only to promote usage similar to the warp prism. I wouldn't be surprised to have the upgrade cost changed back for HoTS.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#334
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caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:09:58
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#335
well that was unexpected!
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
TheHansBecker
Profile Joined February 2011
United States117 Posts
October 25 2011 22:08 GMT
#336
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EvOr
Profile Joined July 2011
France48 Posts
October 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#337
On October 26 2011 07:05 Hider wrote:
Emp was probably a bit too strong, but this is just too much I think. THis will esp. hurt diamond-master league terran players. Playing tvp late game if you odnt have insanely good unit control is really eally hard. Now it actually looks toss favored, and oyu need perfect control to be even against protoss.

Anyway emp nerf would be fine if they just made mech viable, tt. I guess terran have to wait for hots.


Or learn to play better, at diamond/master level 1/1/1 was never a problem for me because I was better than my opponents. It will be the same end game in TvP.

The good is that korean pro terran will stop winning every late game scenario with just EMP. And will have to do something more complicated than EMP carpet bombing if the Toss opponent just spread his units. Late game PvT wil be intersesting once again.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:10:16
October 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#338
On October 26 2011 07:04 Lunchador wrote:
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On October 26 2011 07:03 K3Nyy wrote:
The upgrade difference in costs don't even matter until 2/2 when it's 25/25 cheaper. 3/3 is 50/50 cheaper and that's like 17mins in the game.

Not sure why everyone is whining, a 25/25 discount on 2/2 upgrades can't make them get them any faster than prepatch. Seriously I don't see this affecting anything.


You said the same thing when they changed observers from 50/100 to 25/75!


No I didn't. Upgrades are a 1 time thing. Competent players would make more than 1 obs throughout the game.

1.42 upgrades would cost a grand total of 75/75 less throughout the whole game for 3/3.

Yes it's an unfair advantage for Protoss and I don't agree with it, but people are making it sound like you can magically get them out so much faster now that 2/2 is 25/25 cheaper!!

This buff feels more like a placebo than anything else.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
October 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#339
Sad Zealot is happy that his upgrades are cheaper! Now, about that Charge research cost Blizzard...

Seriously though, nice patch. I love the chrono-boosted upgrade heavy Gateway style of Protoss.
KT best KT ~ 2014
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 25 2011 22:09 GMT
#340
On October 26 2011 07:05 Aesop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:00 avilo wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:54 Aesop wrote:
Reducing the upgrade cost isn't really an huge buff that will suddenly make all Protoss players upgrade more. Sure, Protoss get a discount of 375/375 in total and shields get more attractive, but it has no effect on your upgrading speed - the time is still the same and if you were basing your strategy on upgrades, you were getting those anyway and a small discount won't change that.

It just allows you to add a few extra units along the way (think 3 zealots and an archon), which is a subtle, suitable buff.


I hope you're kidding. I dunno if you know the current meta game, but lots of protosses get 3/0/3 in like 15 minutes with double chrono forge build. This buff is going to make tvp ridiculous...@_@

That was just my point, people are getting these upgrades anyway already. So the timing needn't change a bit. Only now, when they have completed 3/3/3, they will have about 4 units more. Is that a huge buff?


emp isnt really a nerf either. you still target sentries and archons and they will get raped by the damage.

in situations of stalker/colossus deathball, i guess it helps there. but who really does that anymore
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