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1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 15

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Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#281
Anyone else read this and check the poster's history to see if he was a troll, then check battlenet forums, then ask a few friends because they thought it was too good to be true? What...is this...? Good job Blizzard I guess. Hope these go through.
They're fools. You should eat them.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#282
I am in no opinion to give proper feedback regarding game desgin or balance, but I am just happy that this patch might be able to fix PvT at korean pro level.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#283
On October 26 2011 07:02 ShadowDrgn wrote:
The EMP nerf is over the top. You'll be hard pressed to hit more than 2 units with it now, especially against infestors.


You do understand though that the EMP nerf was for the TvP matchup?
Dead game.
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#284
Triple Forge build incoming.
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
kituatembo
Profile Joined September 2011
United States39 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#285
im a protoss player and i just came
Don't lose sight of the machine | kituatembo.627 masters
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#286
On October 26 2011 06:57 avilo wrote:
so protoss can get 3/0/3 in like 12-13 min now (don't quote me on that, just saying it will come much faster)...i don't think this will turn out well..


LOL, not that fast. If toss is just turtling and chronoing out upgrades that fast, go punish them with drops and attacks.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#287
On October 26 2011 06:55 Caesarion wrote:
Wow, this is pretty cool from Blizzard. They did live up to what they said at Blizzcon.

If I'm not wrong, the reduction in radius range would mean that the AOE of 1 EMP would be reduced by 44%.

It would also mean a slight range nerf by 0.5, not really a big deal.

The upgrades cost being reduced is quite unexpected. I don't recall any complaints about it and it seems like a broad change that would be hard to quantify. I would prefer it if there were a snipe nerf on ghosts, since Terrans like TaeJa and Bomber are managing to snipe off high templars so efficiently.

Well, it's definitely a change in the right direction and I'm overall really excited to see the TvPs in Code S next season.


You are correct:

Surface of old EMP:
12.57 'units'
New:
7.06 'units, which is 56% of the old area.

I think it might be too much of a nerf, but I'll hold off final judgement until I see it in action. As for the upgrade changes, I think they are uncalled for. What people seem to be brushing over is that shields already offer an advantage compared to units with only 2 characteristics to upgrade.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:04:22
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#288
EMP nerf is completely justified as everyone agrees,I don't understand why people are whining about the upgrade cost reduction.
Shield upgrade price reduction makes the most sense as its ridic expensive right now and no one gets it because of it.(no one gets it in TvP overall because of EMP anyway)
The price reduction on the other upgrades is really minor,25/25 for lvl 2 and 50/50 for lvl 3.
That's really not that big of a deal really.
Cackle™
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#289
I guess T will have to start scouting specifically for the double forge play and either rush for upgrades/ghosts, or hit timings to kill/cripple them before upgrades kick in.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#290
The upgrade difference in costs don't even matter until 2/2 when it's 25/25 cheaper. 3/3 is 50/50 cheaper and that's like 17mins in the game.

Not sure why everyone is whining, a 25/25 discount on 2/2 upgrades can't make them get them any faster than prepatch. Seriously I don't see this affecting anything.
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#291
On October 26 2011 07:00 xCenasfu wrote:
We need a demonstration on the difference between 1.4 and 1.4.2 EMP radius.. someone, do it!


Just use a psionic storm! That's your new radius!
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#292
On October 26 2011 07:00 corvaleur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:54 gosuMalicE wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:44 corvaleur wrote:
Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed...

What game are you playing? Because it isn't Starcraft 2...



European Diamond Terran AND Platinum Protoss. Today I played 14 games against Protoss, none made an expansion, always cheese or bust and that's how it works since 1.4 Don't know what league you are playing in, but that's standard in EU Diamond.

As a Protoss player, I have to say that all the changes are incredible stupid and Protoss are viable becoming a low APM a-click race. Of course you could play creative, but cheese and turtling is so efffective.


Wrong in so many ways.... Diamond/Platinum represent!
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#293
On October 26 2011 07:02 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:02 ShadowDrgn wrote:
The EMP nerf is over the top. You'll be hard pressed to hit more than 2 units with it now, especially against infestors.


You do understand though that the EMP nerf was for the TvP matchup?


It'll still affect TvZ. I'm actually worried more about TvZ than TvP right now with this nerf, because infestors are so fat...
EvOr
Profile Joined July 2011
France48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:04:15
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#294
On October 26 2011 07:00 corvaleur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:54 gosuMalicE wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:44 corvaleur wrote:
Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed...

What game are you playing? Because it isn't Starcraft 2...



European Diamond Terran AND Platinum Protoss. Today I played 14 games against Protoss, none made an expansion, always cheese or bust and that's how it works since 1.4 Don't know what league you are playing in, but that's standard in EU Diamond.

As a Protoss player, I have to say that all the changes are incredible stupid and Protoss are viable becoming a low APM a-click race. Of course you could play creative, but cheese and turtling is so efffective.


That would explain why it's so easy to beat T at diamond level if I play macro oriented then. Because no Terran seems to know how to play against a fast expanding double forge build in diamond EU right now.

The upgrades buff are targeting PvZ i think, shield in particular will mitigate lings infestors a lot.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:04:25
October 25 2011 22:03 GMT
#295
On October 26 2011 06:58 setzer wrote:
How about reverting the ghost cost back to 150 gas? I don't see the radius change effecting much but I could be wrong.

An EMP on a Protoss ball does more than 1k damage to shields (immediately). That's insane. Reducing the radius would reduce the likelihood of that.
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CHOMPMannER
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada175 Posts
October 25 2011 22:04 GMT
#296
This is a double nerf to EMP IMO with the ugprades + radius.... Any time you double nerf something it causes balance issues
http://www.ipstarcraft.com/ --iPCHOMP
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
October 25 2011 22:04 GMT
#297
On October 26 2011 07:03 K3Nyy wrote:
The upgrade difference in costs don't even matter until 2/2 when it's 25/25 cheaper. 3/3 is 50/50 cheaper and that's like 17mins in the game.

Not sure why everyone is whining, a 25/25 discount on 2/2 upgrades can't make them get them any faster than prepatch. Seriously I don't see this affecting anything.


You said the same thing when they changed observers from 50/100 to 25/75!
Defender of truth, justice, and noontime meals!
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:07:39
October 25 2011 22:04 GMT
#298
On October 26 2011 07:00 corvaleur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:54 gosuMalicE wrote:
On October 26 2011 06:44 corvaleur wrote:
Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed...

What game are you playing? Because it isn't Starcraft 2...



European Diamond Terran AND Platinum Protoss. Today I played 14 games against Protoss, none made an expansion, always cheese or bust and that's how it works since 1.4 Don't know what league you are playing in, but that's standard in EU Diamond.

As a Protoss player, I have to say that all the changes are incredible stupid and Protoss are viable becoming a low APM a-click race. Of course you could play creative, but cheese and turtling is so efffective.

How do these changes change anything about 1 base toss?

The big change is the EMP radius nerf which is far from huge. I mean 200/200 change in cost for 3/3 is nice but hardly game changing get 3/3/1 might actually be good in PvZ. I like these changes a lot.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
October 25 2011 22:04 GMT
#299
On October 26 2011 07:02 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:02 ShadowDrgn wrote:
The EMP nerf is over the top. You'll be hard pressed to hit more than 2 units with it now, especially against infestors.


You do understand though that the EMP nerf was for the TvP matchup?


Does it matter? It's a huge TvZ nerf as well for a unit Terran already has a hard time dealing with (hence the previous patch infestor nerf)
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
October 25 2011 22:04 GMT
#300
On October 26 2011 07:03 K3Nyy wrote:
The upgrade difference in costs don't even matter until 2/2 when it's 25/25 cheaper. 3/3 is 50/50 cheaper and that's like 17mins in the game.

Not sure why everyone is whining, a 25/25 discount on 2/2 upgrades can't make them get them any faster than prepatch. Seriously I don't see this affecting anything.


The EMP change is much bigger than the upgrade cost buff.
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