On October 26 2011 07:02 Patate wrote:
You do understand though that the EMP nerf was for the TvP matchup?
You do understand though that the EMP nerf was for the TvP matchup?
you do understand that it doesnt just affect the tvp matchup?
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:02 Patate wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2011 07:02 ShadowDrgn wrote: The EMP nerf is over the top. You'll be hard pressed to hit more than 2 units with it now, especially against infestors. You do understand though that the EMP nerf was for the TvP matchup? you do understand that it doesnt just affect the tvp matchup? | ||
xCenasfu
Finland143 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:03 Lunchador wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2011 07:00 xCenasfu wrote: We need a demonstration on the difference between 1.4 and 1.4.2 EMP radius.. someone, do it! Just use a psionic storm! That's your new radius! I never use it, doesn't work with a-move | ||
whisp91
87 Posts
On October 26 2011 06:39 Roxy wrote: Level 3 Ground and Armor is total of 75/75 cheaper (each) Level 3 Sheild is a total of 225/225 cheaper 1/1/1 is 50/50 cheaper 2/2/2 is 125/125 cheaper (incremental) 3/3/3 is 200/200 cheaper (incremental) Total savings of 3/3/3 is 375/375 I don't think this is all that big tbh. It's a buff but it wont suddently make upgrades godlike which seems to be the concesus here for some reason. | ||
TanKBreaKeR
Turkey17 Posts
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:00 corvaleur wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2011 06:54 gosuMalicE wrote: On October 26 2011 06:44 corvaleur wrote: Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed... What game are you playing? Because it isn't Starcraft 2... European Diamond Terran AND Platinum Protoss. Today I played 14 games against Protoss, none made an expansion, always cheese or bust and that's how it works since 1.4 Don't know what league you are playing in, but that's standard in EU Diamond. As a Protoss player, I have to say that all the changes are incredible stupid and Protoss are viable becoming a low APM a-click race. Of course you could play creative, but cheese and turtling is so efffective. I rarely see that on NA. | ||
Medrea
10003 Posts
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
![]() Otherwise, yeah shield ups are cool, they were way to expensive and now if Toss can ever get 3-3-3 oh boy oh boy. Double forge builds? No. Triple forge builds. lol. EMP radius... meh I'm okay. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:00 avilo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2011 06:54 Aesop wrote: Reducing the upgrade cost isn't really an huge buff that will suddenly make all Protoss players upgrade more. Sure, Protoss get a discount of 375/375 in total and shields get more attractive, but it has no effect on your upgrading speed - the time is still the same and if you were basing your strategy on upgrades, you were getting those anyway and a small discount won't change that. It just allows you to add a few extra units along the way (think 3 zealots and an archon), which is a subtle, suitable buff. I hope you're kidding. I dunno if you know the current meta game, but lots of protosses get 3/0/3 in like 15 minutes with double chrono forge build. This buff is going to make tvp ridiculous...@_@ That was just my point, people are getting these upgrades anyway already. So the timing needn't change a bit. Only now, when they have completed 3/3/3, they will have about 4 units more. Is that a huge buff? | ||
unsaintly
Germany687 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:03 K3Nyy wrote: The upgrade difference in costs don't even matter until 2/2 when it's 25/25 cheaper. 3/3 is 50/50 cheaper and that's like 17mins in the game. Not sure why everyone is whining, a 25/25 discount on 2/2 upgrades can't make them get them any faster than prepatch. Seriously I don't see this affecting anything. They see protoss buffs and assume protoss now is the best race ingame and totally OP until the changes hit live and not much has changed. | ||
Hider
Denmark9376 Posts
Anyway emp nerf would be fine if they just made mech viable, tt. I guess terran have to wait for hots. | ||
Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:02 KevinIX wrote: Triple Forge build incoming. Triple Forge Two-Gate Blink Stalker, gogogogogogogogo! Engage, Blink-micro, run away. Come back 30 seconds later. Shields for the win :D | ||
Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
EMP change is great. I would have loved to see the range reduced by 1 as well but Blizzard may be afraid of nerfing it too much. The biggest impact is going to be in the early to midgame when a limited amount of ghosts are out. When the number is starting to hit 10 or more it doesnt really matter, everything will get EMP'ed anyway, | ||
Geiko
France1939 Posts
You guys seriously want us to believe that you can tell that a protoss got 3 zealots and an archon more then he was supposed to 20 minutes into the game ? | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:04 Lunchador wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2011 07:03 K3Nyy wrote: The upgrade difference in costs don't even matter until 2/2 when it's 25/25 cheaper. 3/3 is 50/50 cheaper and that's like 17mins in the game. Not sure why everyone is whining, a 25/25 discount on 2/2 upgrades can't make them get them any faster than prepatch. Seriously I don't see this affecting anything. You said the same thing when they changed observers from 50/100 to 25/75! Oh yea you are right how could we missed that,now when a terran uses a scan it is actually a pretty even trade in resources lol. Upgrade price nerf will be practically unnoticeable,it's just a minor quality of life change. | ||
Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
EMP Nerf is definitely a good/big one. I feel like Blizzard is trying to fix the PvT matchup without touching any units directly. Which is good in a way. | ||
psycroptic
Canada115 Posts
On October 26 2011 06:51 Roe wrote: I don't understand these changes, emp was fine as is, and protoss never had any trouble massing upgrades(chrono on double forge really strong) its a reduced cost, not a reduced time. | ||
VoO
Germany278 Posts
On October 26 2011 07:03 Cloud9157 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2011 06:57 avilo wrote: so protoss can get 3/0/3 in like 12-13 min now (don't quote me on that, just saying it will come much faster)...i don't think this will turn out well.. LOL, not that fast. If toss is just turtling and chronoing out upgrades that fast, go punish them with drops and attacks. It is really hard to drop against a turtling Protoss with spotting Pylons and not use your entire army in the drop. | ||
Samba
Germany452 Posts
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