• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:03
CEST 17:03
KST 00:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)56Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Fantasy returning? BW General Discussion Bot on ladder ASL22 General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7666 users

1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 14

Forum Index > SC2 General
2455 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 123 Next
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
October 25 2011 21:59 GMT
#261
Daaaaang. I'm Protoss and this seems insane. I'd say make shields cheaper but leave the others, but I won't complain. ;P
voIDRAys are the most bm unit in SC2
IsraeL
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom172 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#262
I love this patch
xCenasfu
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland143 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#263
We need a demonstration on the difference between 1.4 and 1.4.2 EMP radius.. someone, do it!
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#264
On October 26 2011 06:57 avilo wrote:
so protoss can get 3/0/3 in like 12-13 min now (don't quote me on that, just saying it will come much faster)...i don't think this will turn out well..

They can't get it faster, just a little cheaper (He saves 75/75, that's not even 1 stalker more that he will have)
ArtemisKnives
Profile Joined March 2010
United States210 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#265
Nothing makes the 3/3 come any faster but chrono boost. Stop confusing it.

3/3 still comes at the same speed, the protoss is just able to squeek out an extra unit here and there AND still press the upgrade key. =)
Masters/GM S1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 Macro Toss // twitch.tv/artemisknives [1080p stream]
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#266
Oh wow! Very nice changes to the shield upgrades, could effect PvZ where archons are involved. Hmm, don't know if the the other upgrades changes are necessary. I do like the EMP nerf though.
SC2 Mapmaker
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#267
This doesn't solve anything. With this protoss are forced to end the game before late game when they still have the upgrade advantage. Late game with both sides with 3-3 toss will still get destroyed by mass emp.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#268
On October 26 2011 06:58 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:57 avilo wrote:
so protoss can get 3/0/3 in like 12-13 min now...i don't think this will turn out well..


They will get 3/3 just as quickly as they always did, just have a couple of extra units along with.

Going for 3/3 you only save 150/150 total.

Actually, idk, saving that 150 means they can forge sooner; as well as continually pump the upgrades, given the gas is what normally held them back, its cheaper, so 2x @ a time w/chrono? :p
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#269
On October 26 2011 06:56 Zeke50100 wrote:
I've always wondered why people don't choose to upgrade Shields over Armor as Protoss, especially for Blink Stalkers, Archons, etc. I never realized it was so fricken expensive, hehe. Now it'll be much more attractive. I'm not sure if the Weapons and Armor cost decreases were necessary, although we'll see how it plays out.

The EMP nerf is great. It was always ridiculous how you could instantly deal 700 damage to the enemy's army with a single spell. The nerf might be a bit much, but it's a start.


Yeah, another reason you don't see much shield especially in PvT is because you already know it probably shields become pretty worthless against emp, and getting archons that can be instant killed almost in PvT is no good... :/
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#270
Really nice change I must say. Quick double forge was pretty tough to pull of WHILE going other tech ie colossus.. but now it will be pretty easy. and allows you more room for other ups like charge, blink ETC

good good good blizzard :D
petro1987
Profile Joined May 2009
Brazil374 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#271
Hopefully protoss endless QQ will stop now. On the other hand, I guess with these changes the 1-1-1 will be even more used, especially for diamond level terrans like me. It's not like playing lategame against a protoss of close skill is easy.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#272
On October 26 2011 06:54 Aesop wrote:
Reducing the upgrade cost isn't really an huge buff that will suddenly make all Protoss players upgrade more. Sure, Protoss get a discount of 375/375 in total and shields get more attractive, but it has no effect on your upgrading speed - the time is still the same and if you were basing your strategy on upgrades, you were getting those anyway and a small discount won't change that.

It just allows you to add a few extra units along the way (think 3 zealots and an archon), which is a subtle, suitable buff.


I hope you're kidding. I dunno if you know the current meta game, but lots of protosses get 3/0/3 in like 15 minutes with double chrono forge build. This buff is going to make tvp ridiculous...@_@
Sup
VoO
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany278 Posts
October 25 2011 22:00 GMT
#273
On October 26 2011 06:54 gosuMalicE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:44 corvaleur wrote:
Oh wow really? Currently TvP is the most shittiest matchup ever, 90% of all Protoss stay one base in Diamond and Master for Voidray/Immortal/DT cheese/busts and now they get buffed once again. Protoss can get his upgrades the fastest, Terran the slowest... makes no sense for me to even increase the speed...

What game are you playing? Because it isn't Starcraft 2...



European Diamond Terran AND Platinum Protoss. Today I played 14 games against Protoss, none made an expansion, always cheese or bust and that's how it works since 1.4 Don't know what league you are playing in, but that's standard in EU Diamond.

As a Protoss player, I have to say that all the changes are incredible stupid and Protoss are viable becoming a low APM a-click race. Of course you could play creative, but cheese and turtling is so efffective.
♥ 김택용 ♥Casual Dwarf Fortress Progamer
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
October 25 2011 22:01 GMT
#274
On October 26 2011 06:59 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:30 SeaSwift wrote:
Loving these changes. Blizzard DO listen to the community!

I reckon this is mostly to solve PvT - cheaper upgrades won't make a massive difference in PvZ, whereas in PvT the 2 Forge mass upgrade style could really do with this buff. And obviously the EMP nerf is to stop blanket EMPs being so effective vs Protoss.

Cheap upgrades is HUGE in PvZ, if you think about it. Considering Z has large quantities of units vs the quality of P, and P utilizing a lot of splash units vs Z (col, archon). This makes those units hugely better; given they hit harder and are harder to bring down.


lol, he ment the changes won't affect PvZ as double forge stinks in that matchup. It still does, so the early savings will be really minimal. In PvZ you usually get 1-0 into 2-0 into 3-0 and you'll only be saving 75/75 on that, armor and shield still do very little for what they cost here.
krews
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1308 Posts
October 25 2011 22:01 GMT
#275
woot double protoss buffs
kilergrunt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States263 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#276
Shield upgrades cheaper and emp range reduced... Blizzard showing shields some love with this patch.
Select | iNkA | Tyler | Huk | Idra | Polt | NaNiwa | PuMa | Spanishiwa | DeMusliM | Slush
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#277
Woo great changes, will barely affect pvz at all (+2 timings wont be changed by a small cost reduction) i might finally hit that +3 shield upgrade more than once in 1000 games now, as for emp it really needed a nerf so im glad to see that come.
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#278
The EMP nerf is over the top. You'll be hard pressed to hit more than 2 units with it now, especially against infestors.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#279
On October 26 2011 06:39 chadissilent wrote:
Odd. Units from zealot to stalker to immortal to colossus all share the same attack upgrades, they should naturally be more expensive.


I agree, since ground units all get the same upgrades, they should be more expensive.. (carapace is more expensive than the other two upgrades)

And Yes I play Toss...
Dead game.
ScaSully
Profile Joined April 2011
United States488 Posts
October 25 2011 22:02 GMT
#280
need more ghosts now and toss kinda needed something no big deal
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 123 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Stellar Fest
13:00
Stellar Fest 2 The Moon: Qualifier Day 3
ComeBackTV 1088
IntoTheiNu 1045
SteadfastSC790
TaKeTV 546
IndyStarCraft 167
Rex156
EnkiAlexander 87
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 790
IndyStarCraft 167
Rex 156
ProTech137
BRAT_OK 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49866
Bisu 2001
Horang2 1239
EffOrt 1009
Hyuk 600
Soma 589
BeSt 533
Mini 486
Light 431
Shuttle 427
[ Show more ]
Larva 336
ZerO 202
Rush 190
Leta 84
Mong 77
firebathero 73
Sea.KH 64
Snow 63
910 60
Pusan 46
Sexy 43
ToSsGirL 34
Yoon 27
Aegong 27
Bale 27
JYJ 26
Trap 22
Terrorterran 21
Shine 17
Rock 15
Liquid`Ret 13
Sacsri 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Dota 2
Gorgc8052
qojqva1241
Counter-Strike
Fnx 815
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes1530
Khaldor1129
Lowko456
Other Games
singsing1976
hiko1257
Beastyqt597
B2W.Neo464
Hui .196
Livibee194
ArmadaUGS141
XaKoH 131
Liquid`VortiX129
KnowMe112
Mew2King80
QueenE66
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV189
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream85
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 25
• mYiSmile111
• Gemini_19 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 35
• FirePhoenix9
• Michael_bg 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3269
Other Games
• Shiphtur267
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 57m
CranKy Ducklings
18h 57m
Online Event
19h 57m
FEL
1d
AI Arena Tournament
1d 1h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 3h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
INu's Battles
1d 20h
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
3 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
INu's Battles
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.