EPTIs the « spoiler fear » hurting E-sports ? - Page 8
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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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Treva
United States535 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On October 13 2011 00:43 drcatellino wrote: First, are spoilers that big of a deal? How many of you watch a game from an important tournament later on without checking the results before-hand? I know the first thing I do in the morning after a big night of GSL, I check the results and if I have time I’ll watch the games, knowing the results beforehand won’t change my excitement about it. I often do this, but I also watched the entire TSL2 the day after each game was broadcast due to schedule issues, and feverishly avoided spoilers so I could retain some of the 'live' experience. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:06 Goolpsy wrote: On a sidenote, i do not watch sc2 games for suspense, neither do i watch any other sport for that. I watch to enjoy in shock and awe the skills that people have aquired. On a sidenote, i do This is how I feel. I watch the games for the same reasons as you except I also watch it for entertainment. It's less exciting when I know who's going to win. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:09 Zairair wrote: Let's all imagine this scenario for a second. Front page article on the New York Times news and discussion website: President _______ wins the 2012 election! After much heated debate and speech action president + Show Spoiler + insert photo here Catch the VOD of his victory speech right here! + Show Spoiler + insert vod here I'd really hate that... Defeats the point of news and slows down discussion by having people dig. Good thing TL.net isn't primarily a news site then. Thanks for this thread, I was just thinking about what may hurt ESPORTS this week. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:10 Kashll wrote: /Signed and agreed. People that complain about spoilers can't have an IQ over 80... I'm sorry what?you think its ok to insult someones intelligence for not having the same opinion as you? | ||
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
LIVE> UNSPOILED VODS> SPOILED MATCHES I actually won't even watch most VODS once I know the results. There are of course exceptions but this is generally how I feel. It's even worse when you know exactly who wins which map. An example of this for me was Fenix playing in the GSTL, once I knew he reverse all-killed I wasn't enjoying the viewing experience because all the tension from the match is gone. Edit: I don't watch VODS of matches to learn how to play SC2, I watch replays so learning is not my main goal when watching a tourney; its entertainment. | ||
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atmuh
United States246 Posts
i find people that get angry when the find out the result of something silly | ||
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'm sorry what?you think its ok to insult someones intelligence for not having the same opinion as you? No i think it's okay to insult someone's intelligence for showing clearly unintelligent behavior. It's like someone who sticks their hand in the fire every day and gets burned, then complains about it. Maybe stop sticking your hand in the fire? If you haven't seen a game and don't want it spoiled then DON'T FUCKING VISIT TL.NET. It's not that hard. I love watching games without knowing the results. I love the suspense of tense games. I've also never managed to accidentally spoil the results of a game that I don't want spoiled yet. So yes, it really does come down to intelligence. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:12 dibbaN wrote: There has never been a better time for this: http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/soc/2011_08spoilers.asp. A study made by the University of California, San Diego, on the impact spoilers have on viewer experience. I think, when you know the result beforehand, you look at things from a different perspective. You stop trying to figure out "who will win?" or "who is murderer?" in favour of enjoying the way to that point. In the end, if all you are interested in is the excitement of not knowing the outcome, perhaps you aren't the huge fan you see yourself as. Though huge fans is not what e-sports need, because we already have that. Looking at any other sport, i.e football, knowing the outcome would certainly ruin it for most of the occasional viewers, while only the more dedicated ones are curious about how things ended up the way they did. So ultimately - for e-sports to grow, (which is by giving e-sports more attention in a broader spectrum), spoiler-free websites are a good thing. That's pretty interesting. I guess to me spoilers have never really negatively affected the viewing experience of a VoD. I'm just not sure if that applies to everyone. | ||
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:12 dibbaN wrote: There has never been a better time for this: http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/soc/2011_08spoilers.asp. A study made by the University of California, San Diego, on the impact spoilers have on viewer experience. I think, when you know the result beforehand, you look at things from a different perspective. You stop trying to figure out "who will win?" or "who is murderer?" in favour of enjoying the way to that point. In the end, if all you are interested in is the excitement of not knowing the outcome, perhaps you aren't the huge fan you see yourself as. Though huge fans is not what e-sports need, because we already have that. Looking at any other sport, i.e football, knowing the outcome would certainly ruin it for most of the occasional viewers, while only the more dedicated ones are curious about how things ended up the way they did. So ultimately - for e-sports to grow, (which is by giving e-sports more attention in a broader spectrum), spoiler-free websites are a good thing. This is a nice article indeed. It's kind of true. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On October 13 2011 01:58 figq wrote: Ummmm, maybe there could be a [SPOILER] News Section Well this would be a very easy and needed solution? I don't mind to be spoiled and it would allow me to see who won what every day, while those who don't want to be spoiled could avoid that section like the plague? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46590 Posts
On October 13 2011 00:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: so then you think it is justified to have a 100 threads about Stephano winning IPL3 on TL and clogging other topics because people think that their opinion is more important then that of people who post them in the LR thread after the games? and worse have it as a news post? This isn't what we're talking about. After all, there's this invisible, implicit week-or-so grace period before people talk about winners anyway. He isn't promoting extra threads and complaints regarding the winners. He's merely advocating an open discussion of matches after they happen, instead of tip-toeing around the forum (which is designed to promote StarCraft discussion!) so that we don't aggravate other people who haven't watched the matches. If those people care so badly about spoilers, they should immediately check the Recommended Games polls and go watch the games, instead of browsing the LR threads. I agree with the OP. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
I don't feel that TL needs to have the front page plastered with results immediately to cater to new users who just want results. Those people can just as easily click the tournament threads (are we catering to the lazy now?) or open r/starcraft for results if they want to, and move onto the in depth discussions in one of the properly made threads with a spoiler tag on it. Anything after 24 hours though is debatable, but I do think a line needs to be drawn rather than have people spam threads with winners. It doesn't hurt people to tag their threads with spoilers for a day and if you think that's too much effort required then go to reddit instead. + Show Spoiler + TL coded in a damn spoiler button, so really just suck it up and deal with the extra click out of courtesy to others. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:17 Kashll wrote: No i think it's okay to insult someone's intelligence for showing clearly unintelligent behavior.. Ok, so based on your posts here, which are moronic, I should be insulting you and you would be fine with it based on it being clearly unintelligent behaviour? TL have a spoiler policy. There is no reason why you should be spoiled when visiting it unless people are behaving like idiots and not following the policy. | ||
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roflSloth
Canada43 Posts
On October 13 2011 00:43 drcatellino wrote: Imagine if the night of the finals from the Stanley cup finals (hockey), you went to nhl.com, only to see a random bunch of stats, and to know what was going on in the game you had to had to reach the forums, go to some obscure thread, all of this just in case someone from another timezone would have been pissed if the results were updated live in the front page. If you are a hockey fan and a frequent user of the site maybe you wouln’t mind at all, but if you tried to get interested in the hockey scene and couln’t find the results/wrap-up straight on the main page, you would have been disoriented and just went back to watching curling instead. I strongly agree with this chunk of text; it really caught my eye. Add in the fact that, unlike the NHL finals, SC2 has an outrageous amount of concurrent tournaments (mostly buried in spoiler tags inside forum subsections) and it makes it really easy to miss things until 3 or 4 weeks after the fact. I've been with friends who've asked me "did you watch [insert tournament here] last night?" and I didn't even know that the tournament they mentioned was going on. | ||
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Zairair
87 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:14 Longshank wrote: Good thing TL.net isn't primarily a news site then. Thanks for this thread, I was just thinking about what may hurt ESPORTS this week. True, but for what reason should a discussion website or public forum with-hold outcomes? Does it make for quality discussions and analysis? Did you ever want to assault someone because you were going to watch State of the Union address and discuss it at dinner with the family but someone spoiled it? | ||
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roflSloth
Canada43 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:21 Zandar wrote: Well this would be a very easy and needed solution? I don't mind to be spoiled and it would allow me to see who won what every day, while those who don't want to be spoiled could avoid that section like the plague? This is fine on paper, but think about what would happen if this actually were to happen: while the poll in this thread is strongly leaning towards "spoilers are bad," I can't help but imagine that the real numbers are a little closer to 50/50. That being said, if you were to segregate TL like this, it would dilute the community and each of the two individual sections would be a lot less active. | ||
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Orzabal
France287 Posts
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