EPTIs the « spoiler fear » hurting E-sports ? - Page 9
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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
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Enearde
France265 Posts
My second point: I think it's really stupid to think that people who don't want to be spoiled are a minority and as a minority don't stand to have their voice. Yeah, we just have to not go on TL until we can watch a VODs...seriously, i don't want to have to avoid TL four days long because i want to see a game without being spoiled. Being spoiled kill the hype for me, i need to not know the winner to enjoy watching. I have players i love, i have players i hate, sometimes there is upset and sometimes overjoy but if you know your fav player lost, what's the point watching the series? It's my thing, i can't think differently. Third point: I never have any problem to find infos on TL, when i want to know some results without watching the whole tournament or because there is no vods, i just look at the TL coverage page or LR thread, it takes me 5 minutes and i don't roll over people who don't want to be spoiled. There are topics you HAVE TO avoid if you don't want to be spoiled like LR thread and watching at fan clubs so what? People who don't want to be spoiled already make efforts... 4th: how can spoilers prevent esport from growing? Seriously, esport is like 30 times bigger than one year before, growing takes times, there is no point rushing and as we all want esports go out of control, we have to let time do its thing. People don't need to point every single thing that piss them off to make it the esport n°1 foe. Spoilers aren't preventing esport from growing, this is just something to let people do as they want to. | ||
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miniwheats
Canada187 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:25 roflSloth wrote: I've been with friends who've asked me "did you watch [insert tournament here] last night?" and I didn't even know that the tournament they mentioned was going on. And nothing proposed in this thread is going to change the fact that you didn't know for future events. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46379 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:14 Longshank wrote: Good thing TL.net isn't primarily a news site then. Thanks for this thread, I was just thinking about what may hurt ESPORTS this week. For what it's worth, TL pretty much is the primary news site for all things StarCraft-related. There are threads that are related to news, and threads that aren't news-related. Sarcasm is appreciated. | ||
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willll
United States73 Posts
On October 13 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote: That isn't the full explanation. Spoiler protection is there for people who want to browse TL.net between the time when the match they want to watch has aired and when they watch the VODs. What are they reading that interests them more than watching the actual content? Anyone who reads TL without watching anything obviously doesn't care about being spoiled. Anyone who reads TL to supplement their VOD watching has no reason to read TL if they haven't watched the VODs. I am going to disagree with you here Tyler, for the following reason: I use TL as the hub of my SCII experience. If I want to find MLG vods, or IGN vods, or any tournament replays, I go to TL first, then find the tournament thread, then find the VODs (which are usually posted in the thread). If TL doesn't want to be a 'hub' style site, then that is their choice, but it would be a change from the current state of things. The way the winner interviews are posted is ideal imo, with it noting in the title that the winner of say GSL round of 8 will be interviewed, so I know not to go in if I want to watch it without spoilers. Also, VODs are often not posted right away, and I like to browse TL in the meantime  | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
this website would be more attractive to people looking for community news, would just have to read the headline instead of searching on the forum... people who dont want spoiler could simply go to www.teamliquid.net/forum.directly to avoid the headline. | ||
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
If you watch to learn, then you shouldn't care either way if something is spoiled. If you watch for entertainment, then the burden falls on you for missing the event live. Also from a completely entertainment/drama point of view, it would be the best to post results and a nice article ASAP because all of these events are related. The drama of MLG Orlando wouldn't be near as fascinating if you didn't know what happened at IPL or what happened at IEM right before that. | ||
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Dtag
Germany22 Posts
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:12 dignity wrote: If you want to get spoiled just check the fanclub listings. It gives a pretty good indication. Yeah but that's the thing. Someone new to SC2, who went to IPL with a friend would come to TL and expect to see headlines, interviews with the players, pictures of the winner, links to the replays/vods etc. But he just sees a forum and old news. How should he know it's burried deep down in fanclub threads, hidden inside spoilers. I definately think TL could use a spoiler news forum. And in my opinion that should be the standard homepage when you type in the url teamliquid.net for the first time. If you don't like spoilers, you can make an account and change that homepage, but a first visitor should be hyped. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:34 Seiferz wrote: I completely agree. While TL might not have the capability of writing an article immediately after a big event, it would be nice to have something within the next few days. If you watch to learn, then you shouldn't care either way if something is spoiled. If you watch for entertainment, then the burden falls on you for missing the event live. Also from a completely entertainment/drama point of view, it would be the best to post results and a nice article ASAP because all of these events are related. The drama of MLG Orlando wouldn't be near as fascinating if you didn't know what happened at IPL or what happened at IEM right before that. That's what tl has been doing,they do put up an article within a few days(faster if the event was epic) Why must the people who didn't watch it live suffer?TL is giving equal treatment to all this way,it's a compromise for all parties,I don't see why that should change,is this issue really hurting ESPORTS? | ||
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miniwheats
Canada187 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:40 leo23 wrote: I agree with the OP... I mean look at how long a tournament recap takes to be in the front page. you should have some content with a picture of the winner/event and first reactions Is it even true that that is the reason it takes long? Maybe what is missing is more staff. You can have a recap without the results in the headline and image. I honestly don't see a problem with what we have. Things are slow? I think they just aren't being written fast enough because it is hard work. | ||
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lacho_u
Bulgaria535 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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miniwheats
Canada187 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:47 BLinD-RawR wrote: It's not just hard work,the articles have to be up to TL's mark. That is what makes it hard work. Anyone can write trash. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51380 Posts
On October 13 2011 02:46 lacho_u wrote: Yes, but only if TL add a spoilerfree VOD page that is easily accessible. This might be an option here, but still teamliquid is more an comunity when a "news" site i think thats why we have an different teamliquid news section where you can read about the team itself and their results couple of days after the event actually happens. if you wanna see stephano photo better check on gg.net and ipl site. TL does have a spoiler free VOD page,it's just for BW though because barely any SC2 tournaments put up their vods on sites like YouTube where vods can be embedded on the forums. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
I think its amazing we're always able to find out about results if we want to. If you really want to know the result you have LR threads AND liquidpedia. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On October 13 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote: That isn't the full explanation. Spoiler protection is there for people who want to browse TL.net between the time when the match they want to watch has aired and when they watch the VODs. What are they reading that interests them more than watching the actual content? Anyone who reads TL without watching anything obviously doesn't care about being spoiled. Anyone who reads TL to supplement their VOD watching has no reason to read TL if they haven't watched the VODs. Me as a European couldn't stay up all night this weekend to watch IPL3 since I had to go to work in the morning and it was nice to be able to visit TL during the day without getting spoiled with some mindful thread selection. I can't unfortunately watch vods at work. Does this mean I don't care enough? Please elaborate. What about the occasions when it takes days for VODs to be uploaded? Am I not supposed to be able to visit TL during this time? This is extra tricky since TL is often used as the hub used for linking VODs. | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
tl;dr, this isn't sports, almost nobody catches even a majority of tournaments live, VODs are required to see everything, and TL has a very sensible policy of not spoiling those virtually required-for-experiencing VODs to people who inevitably have not seen them. there is not 1 game or a small, specific set of games at a specific time every week that everyone can plan around. | ||
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